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Legalize Performance Enhancing Drugs in Sports!!!

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by user Phoenix Superfan

A bit of background before I get started. I originally wrote this as an essay for a college class which is why it flows the way it does. I considered rewording it to sound more like a blog or column but eventually settled on leaving in it original format. I did remove all of the citations but all of the information is fully researched and to the best of my knowledge 100% accurate. If anyone is interested in a fully cited copy shoot me an email. I felt this was an appropriate time to print this with Mark McGwire recently being denied entry to the Hall of Fame.

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The most talked about sports story of the 21st century is the use of performance enhancing drugs by professional athletes. Over the past four years, it has been nearly impossible to turn on the television without hearing something about athletes and these drugs. From former National League MVP Third Baseman Ken Caminiti’s admission of steroid use in an issue of Sports Illustrated to 2006 Tour de France Champion Floyd Landis’ failed doping test virtually every sport is involved. Are performance enhancing drugs a substance that threatens the very existence of professional sports, or are they the future? Perhaps the issue with steroids is nothing more than a classic example of man being afraid of science. Are performance enhancing drugs an unfair advantage, or simply improved performance through better technology? When logically thought through, it becomes more and more clear that the latter may in fact be the case, and that we should change our policies and allow regulated use of performance enhancing drugs in sports leagues. The reason that sports leagues should reconsider their position on drugs is that large numbers of athletes continue to use them despite their illegality, statistical evidence proves that the drugs are effective, and under the supervision of a physician performance enhancing drugs can be used safely.

Former American League Baseball MVP, Jose Canseco who became so knowledgeable about steroids that other baseball players referred to him as ‘The Chemist,’ said the following about steroid use.

"We’re talking about the future here. I have no doubt whatsoever that intelligent, informed use of steroids, combined with human growth hormone, will one day be so accepted that everybody will be doing it. Steroid use will be more common than Botox is now. Every baseball player and pro athlete will be using at least low levels of steroids. As a result, baseball and other sports will be more exciting and entertaining. Human life will be improved, too. We will live longer and better."

When it comes to performance enhancing drugs, you are not only talking about the future, but the past as well. Most media reports would lead you to believe that they have only become so popular within the last 20 years. The truth of the matter is that there are recorded cases of doping “as early as the 8th century BC, when the Ancient Greek Olympians ate sheep’s testicles; today we would recognize these as a source of testosterone.” Over 2500 years later, Hall of Fame pitcher James “Pud” Galvin who won 361 games from 1879 to 1892, admitted in an 1889 Washington Post report that he had taken testosterone that had been extracted from animal testicles. Some researchers even suggest that baseball’s original homerun king Babe Ruth, may have experimented with a similar elixir.

These primitive attempts at boosting testosterone were the precursor to today’s anabolic steroids which are a synthetic form of testosterone. Although anabolic steroids may be the best known performance enhancer, other types of drugs have been in use for many decades. In his bestselling 1970 book Ball Four, former major league pitcher Jim Bouton admitted that he and many other major leaguers were taking amphetamine pills known as ‘greenies,’ which increase energy and endurance. In a 2005 interview with ESPN.com, Bouton reiterated these sentiments, “In the 1970s, half of the guys in the big leagues were taking greenies, and if we had steroids, we would have taken those, too.”

Unlike anabolic steroids and “greenies” not all performance enhancers are illegal. Popular supplements such as Androstenedione (Andro) and Dehydroepiandroterone (DHEA) are sold of the counter at health food stores and can increase circulation and levels of testosterone. Perhaps the most popular supplement used by athletes is Creatine which prolongs anaerobic metabolism. Why are these supplements acceptable to be sold and used not only legally, but without a doctor’s prescription, while others remain illegal, even under the supervision of a licensed medical professional?

Newer and more advanced drugs and techniques are being discovered constantly. One of the biggest drugs in the news is human growth hormone (HGH) which affects the metabolism. It is produced naturally in the body and synthesized by the pituitary gland. Caminiti and Canseco are among the high profile athletes who have admitted to the use of HGH. Also common is the use of insulin which increases lean body mass and can be easily obtained without a prescription at most pharmacies if you simply state that you are diabetic.

Designer steroids such as (THG) which was produced by the Bay Area Laboratory Cooperative (BALCO) are made to be undetectable for standard test so that athletes can continue using performance enhancers in sports that outlaw and test for them. There is also currently no reliable test of HGH. If even the strictest of drug testing policies can be so easily circumvented then why bother testing at all. Wouldn’t regulated use create a more level playing field?

The future of doping lies in complicated medical procedures such as blood doping which increases the oxygen-carrying carrying capacity of blood and gene doping which actually changes an athlete’s body at the cellular level. Gene doping is currently rare due to its expense and complexity however, as with all new technology it will become inevitably cheaper and more accessible. “Experts also say that the process may be virtually undetectable by blood and urine testing” Wouldn’t we better off embracing these amazing medical procedures and seeing what possible benefits there could be outside of athletics, then we would by condemning them? Is it even reasonable to think that we could test athletes for changes in their actual DNA?

In the days when steroids were only being used by body builders and professional wrestlers, stories about performance enhancing drugs could only be found on the back pages of the newspapers. When former Oakland Raiders All-Pro Lyle Alzado admitted to steroid use in a 1991 Sports Illustrated article the whispers about what professional athletes were using steroids began to get louder. Finally, in 2002, when Caminiti, a former MVP, came clean, two things were clear; athletes in all sports were using these drugs, and that they worked. The fact that steroid use had permeated our national pastime combined with the media explosion of the internet and 24 hour a day sports talk created a perfect storm which created the biggest sports story of the new millennium so far. However, two other facts remained clear, performance enhancing drugs were old news, and athletes in all sports from all over the world had been using them for years.

Sergo Chakhoyan is an Australian Weightlifter, Josep Guardiola is a Spanish Soccer Player, and Janne Immonen is a Finnish Cross Country Skier, but they all have one thing in common. They have all tested positive for performance enhancing drugs. Performance enhancing drug use is growing among female athletes as well. Martha Massa who competed for Greece in two swimming events at the 2004 Olympics tested positive for the anabolic steroid stanozolol. Canadian Sprinter Ben Johnson who set a world record in the 100 meters at the 1988 Summer Olympics, and Raphael Palmeiro who is one of only 4 players in Major League Baseball History to accumulate 3000 hits and 500 home runs both tested positive for the same drug. Some will point to the stiff penalties that these athletes faced after testing positive, and that some of them were even stripped of their accomplishments altogether. I point to what they accomplished while using steroids.

From Canseco becoming the first player in Major League Baseball History to hit 40 home runs and steal 40 bases in one season, to Arnold Schwarzenegger being named Mr. Universe several time in the early 70’s, there is an extensive list of achievements by athletes using performance enhancing drugs. That list however, begins and ends with Barry Bonds, who set the all-time Major League Baseball record by hitting 73 home runs in 2001, then later admitted in grand jury testimony to using performance enhancing drugs. He broke the previous record which was set only three years early by Mark McGwire of the St Louis Cardinals who hit 70 in 1998. McGwire admitted to using Andro during the 1998 season and his named surfaced during a major FBI steroids probe in the early 1990’s. The previous record for home runs had been 61 by Roger Maris of the New York Yankees in 1961. Is the record tainted because of doping, or is it just a matter of sports medicine allowing a player to hit 12 more home runs than have ever been hit before? If Ruth, who set the previous record with 60 home runs in 1927, was using primitive forms of doping, is it out of the question that Maris, who never hit more than 39 home runs in another season, may have been using in 1961? Bouton admits that Yankees Hall of Fame Pitcher Whitey Ford and he, splashed DMSO, a drug used for horses, on their arms in 1965 or 1966.

There is also medical evidence that these drugs work. Research shows that injecting steroids into normal men in doses of 600 milligrams a week, which is 6 times the normal dose given to people with low testosterone levels, will boost muscle size, strength and fat-free mass, especially when combined with strength training. In addition to building muscle mass, steroids also allow the body to recover more quickly so that you can work hard the following day. Others drugs boost the bodies ability to use oxygen. All of these combine to allow athletes to work harder and longer, and perform at a higher level until an older age.

Critics of performance enhancing drugs argue that although athletes may see an increased performance over a short period of time, steroid use will eventually lead to serious injuries and even death. They use examples such as Alzado who died of brain lymphoma in 1992, and blamed his disease on steroids as examples of the harm that can be done. The fact that these drugs are dangerous and can have potentially fatal side-effects is the most important reason that they should be legalized. The most dangerous aspect of these drugs is unregulated and uneducated use. Caminiti, who obtained his drugs from a pharmacy in Tijuana, used so heavily in 1996 that by the end of the season his body was only producing testosterone at 20% of its normal level and it took four months for his testicles to return to their normal size after he stopped using. If these drugs were to be legalized they could instead be used by players under the supervision of their team’s licensed medical personnel. “The role of a doctor is to preserve their patients’ best interests with respect to present and future health. A sports doctor has to fulfill this role while maintaining the athlete’s performance at as high a level as possible. As such, as long as the first condition is met, any intervention proven safe, pharmacological of otherwise, should be justified, irrespective of whether or not it is ergogenic.”

Only a small segment of the population engages in athletic activities at an elite level. They are for the most part well compensated. Bonds earned over $10 million in 2001. While an athlete’s welfare should be the primary concern, if they can enhance their performance and increase their earning power without excessive risk then the use of drugs should be allowed. If steroids were being administered by a physician then content, quality, and dosages could be regulated. More informed use would lead to an overall decline of related health problems and instead of young athletes seeking performance enhancing drugs on the black market they would instead consult their physicians regarding the risks and rewards associated with the drugs.

For better or worse, performance enhancing drugs always have been, and always will be, a part of sports. As with any drugs there will always be dangerous side effects associated with them. However, by legalizing and regulating, these negative effects can be diminished. The only real question is whether the government and professional sports leagues will continue to fight a war that they can not win. While it would never be advisable for high school or college athletes to engage in the use potentially dangerous drugs, professional athletes are highly paid adults who should have the right to make informed decisions with the assistance of their physician.

The leagues themselves would also benefit from allowing the drugs. The improved performance of players properly using steroids and other performance enhancers would improve the overall quality and entertainment value of the product which would lead to increased revenue for all players. To level the playing field, leagues could even be divided into two conferences for players who use steroids and those who don’t and at the end of each season a championship game could be played between the winners of each conference. This would lead to increased fan interest by creating a David versus Goliath scenario, and you would even have the subplot of players testing positive and getting banished to the steroid using conference. Isn’t that a better solution than taking away an athletes livelihood and accomplishments because they took drugs that allowed them to work harder to become the best at what they do?

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EnyboDiv-I Stud
1053 days ago
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Good article but I found a few flaws in your argument. 1) Alzado and Caminiti are dead from drug use. 2) How can you regulate it? The reason they use now is to gain an advantage, if everyone is using them the only thing to do is use more than the next guy. Athletes will go above the regulations to be quicker and stronger then their competition. 3) You make no mention of the side effects. I don't know the consequences of using steroids and HGH, and I am not sure the long term effects are even known for some of the new drugs on the market. How can you argue for something that you seem not to fully understand only by saying athletes are grown adults who can make their own decisions. A good number of athletes can't even legally enjoy an alcoholic beverage. Most of them can't mange their finances responsibly. A good portion of them make poor decisions concerning the law. How can you expect them to fully understand the consequences of a science that can be very harmful to them when they are blinded by dollar signs.
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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That is exactly my point. They are going to use the drugs no matter what, and if you have them illegal then you are going to have uneducated use which is the most dangerous kind. I don't know how you can say that I make no mention of negative side effects. Here is a direct quote from my article "Critics of performance enhancing drugs argue that although athletes may see an increased performance over a short period of time, steroid use will eventually lead to serious injuries and even death." I also mention that Alzado blamed his death on steroid use in my article. Caminiti is another story, he died of a cocaine overdose. The point that I am trying to make here is that if athletes are going to use these drugs no matter what then wouldn't it be a lot safer under a doctor's supervision?
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EnyboDiv-I Stud
1053 days ago
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I apologize, I missed the paragraph about the negative side effects. I had to stop read ing then come back to it and must have missed that. But to answer your question, I don't think it wouldbe safer to use them. It would be safer to educate playes on the effects, but I think you can do this without legalizing a potentially harmful substance. I think someone wrote an article about steroid use and their effects, I'll have to look it up again.
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I am a cpcpMajor Leaguer
1053 days ago
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By changing the rules (and laws) allowing steroids and other illegal substances, you're in turn endorsing the use of dangerous products to professionals. You're right in regards to professionals having an infinite amount of educational and medical resources at their disposal, but what happens to the millions of college, high school and even junior high athletes that want to be like their sports heroes and start finding ways to get their hands on it without medical and educational resources? I know kids take steroids now, but if it's shown that it's not only accepted but encouraged that professionals take steroids even more children will hop on board. The dangerous ramifications are tragically different for those that take them longer and with unsupervised dosage. In short, it is stupid and ignorant for any adult to take this crap. It's far worse to show our youth that it's ok to do so.
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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Any drug, whether it be for arthritis, heart disease, or erectile disfunction can have negative side effects. You again make my point for me when you allude to the dangers of "unsupervised dosages." Are these drugs dangerous, of course. However, with a doctors supervision many of these drugs can be used safely and can even improve the quality of life. People have been brainwashed by the media to believe that steroids are bad to the point where it is taboo to even suggest that they might not be. In a recent column for ESPN.com Malcolm Gladwell explained how an idea can be pushed by the majority to a point that it seems like the minority no longer exists. Perhaps there is no greater example of this than the steroid issue.
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I am a cpcpMajor Leaguer
1053 days ago
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If you actually read what I posted, I agreed that steroids can be used in a somewhat "healthy" manner. That wasn't what I was talking about. My entire paragraph was about America's youth. Last time I checked there aren't a lot of children out there getting heart disease and ED drugs to be like Barry Bonds.
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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In my article I address that I don't advocate the use of steroids for high school and collge kids. It is not the responsibility of Barry Bonds to set an example for America's Youth, he is a paid entertainer. If that is your arguement then let's take Led Zepplin out of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, I am sure plenty of kids did cocaine and heroine because of Led Zepplin. In the end it is the responsibility of the parents to keep their kids off steroids. I am not a parent myself, but if I was I know that I would know whether or not my kid was on steroids. That is where the real problem lies. If parents are willing the drive cross country and spend $10,000 on a baseball camp for their kid don't you think those same crazy parents might be crazy enough to give their kids steroids too? Well, they are and I know because it happened at my own high school. Blaming Barry Bonds is the lazy answer. My comments about ED and heart disease drugs is that all drugs have a cost benefit ratio. It's okay to take a dangerous drug so that you can get a hard on, but it's not ok to take one in order to make $10 million playing baseball?
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I am a cpcpMajor Leaguer
1053 days ago
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You're assuming I'm a supporter of ED drugs?
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I am a cpcpMajor Leaguer
1053 days ago
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And I didn't blame Barry Bonds, I didn't say "It's Barry Bonds' fault." I didn't blame anyone.
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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I am neither accusing you of supporting ED drugs nor of blaming Barry Bonds. However, right now ED drugs are legal and the general consensus among the media is that Barry Bonds is the devil. Please don't take any of my comments personally. I am speaking generally and asking open ended questions.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
1053 days ago
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Um, you called Viagra a dangerous drug? The only people it kills are men waay to old whose hearts can't handle it. The risks aren't the same.
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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Viagra is just one example, there are plenty of dangerous drugs that doctors prescribe every day. My brother almost died of liver failure at age 19 because of a drug he was taking to clear up acne on his back.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1053 days ago
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In the case of sport then, it's a risk not worth taking.
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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If they are still banned in baseball and other sports then this will prevent team doctors from being the ones to prescribe them. Not only that, but if you are legalizing them but banning them from professional sports then who are you legalizing them for?
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1053 days ago
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Don't legalise them for anybody. They are drugs, and should be banned for every sport.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1053 days ago
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What college class was this!? And what mark/grade did you get for it?
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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It was a communications class and earned and A.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1053 days ago
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Who minused? Well done! :)
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Dukeboy999Varsity Captain
1053 days ago
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Wow the teacher must have been on some kind of drugs himself.
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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The grade isn't based on whether or not the teacher agrees with your point but whether or not it is well written. Listen, I don't expect many people to agree with me on this, that is not the point. I am trying to get people thinking about and discussing this issue from a less biased standpoint. Comments like your's don't add anything to the disscussion.
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I am a cpcpMajor Leaguer
1053 days ago
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Actually, comments like his do add something to the discussion: Humor.
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I am a cpcpMajor Leaguer
1053 days ago
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Now, you repeating the same snarky, arrogant responses to every comment, that doesn't add anything to the discussion.
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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I'm not trying to win any popularity contests, just give honest opinons on a topic which I expect to be unpopular. Sorry if some of my answers come across as defensive but on this topic I really have no choice.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
348 days ago
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ur a faggot
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
1053 days ago
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Let me make a point from the perspective of a parent of a two-year old who some day will probably consider using some form of illegal drugs, as many kids are faced with that issue.

I don't want my child taking ANYTHING that might hurt him. I certainly don't want him to be incentivized to do so. You draw a comparison between cocaine and heroin (with an E it is the female hero) and steroids. There is one big difference. Led Zeppelin might have done drugs, but they made money from their music. Nobody added millions to their salary by doing lines of coke.

Barry Bonds greatly increased his earning potential by taking steroids. (Yeah I said it, he did it). Jason Giambi did too. There is a direct financial incentive to taking steroids. The SanFran Giants effectively unknowingly PAID Bonds to take steroids.

My point is simple. You can take all your relativism and miss one important fact. None of the other substances you have mentioned wind up with you financially rewarded for doing it. Assuming he took them (and look at his freaking head), how much extra money did Sosa earn because all of a sudden he was "in the zone" (ie juiced)?

Now ofter a kid in high school a greatly increased chance at a contract with a baseball team, in return for risking some of his lifespan. Kids are reckless.
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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This is what I don't understand. How is it a bad thing that these players earned millions of dollars extra because they took steroids. To me that would seem to be the benefit. There are health risks associated with many occupations, it is a matter of whether or not you think the compensation outweighs the risk. For instance I would feel pretty confident in arguing that working in a coal mine is probably more dangerous than taking steroids and I don't know of many coal miners who make the kind of money Barry Bonds does. My arguement really isn't whether using steroids is right or wrong. What I am trying to say is that if people are going to use them no matter what then why not makig it as safe as possible. I would assume that when children reach the point in their life where they have to make a decision whether or not to use steroids that most parents would prefer that they have the option of consulting their doctor as opposed to their buddies in the locker room.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
1053 days ago
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It's not BAD that the players do it. I don't give two shits what barry bonds does to himself. That's not my point. This isn't about an occupational risk.

Your coal mine analagy is pointless because coal miners are not incentivized for their health risk, while athletes are. It's not about whose job is most dangerous, its about the fact that in one particular profession, if you choose to make a dangerous choice you can make a lot more money.

The idea that people are going to use them either way is also weak rhetorically. People are going to continue to kill people, people are going to continue to drive too fast, people are going to continue to do lots of illegal things. That doesn't mean we necessarily make them legal.

As a parent I will tell you that I hope my kid is smart enough to not do it. But I'd rather be in a place where the risks of taking them, from a career and health standpoint far outweighed the reward. If athletes are viciously punished for their use, the reward for taking them is diminished.

Will BALCOs of the world still try to cheat? Sure. But if Baseball banned steroid users like they banned Gamblers, and if football actually had a real policy, I believe kids would be at less risk.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
1053 days ago
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And please hit return a few times when you write a response. It is much easier to read with shorter paragraphs in these tiny boxes :)
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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The difference in the illegal things that you mention "killing people, driving too fact" is that those are things that either hurt or potentially hurt other people. Someone doing steroids is at most hurting themselves but no one else. That is why it should be a personal decision.
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Terry FooteSoccer Kid
1053 days ago
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It's grossly unfair to the players who are honest enough to play by the rules, or don't want to subject themselves to the risks of steroid use. It's unfair to Hank Aaron and a legion of other players of his ilk and era, who had to hit against the likes of Bob Gibson and Nolan Ryan, pitchers who threw just as hard as anyone today.
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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I addressed fairness by creating two seperate conference for players based on whether or not they use steroids. I also gave examples of players using performance enhancing drugs going back thousands of years in my article so you really have no idea what any of the players you mentioned were using. Nolan Ryan for one admits to scuffing balls in his autobiography, but that sort of cheating is met with a nod and a wink.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
1053 days ago
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Ahh, the victimless-crime defense. Ask those kids parents if there are no victims (remember the testimony before congress). Ask Lyle Alzado's family. Ask the girlfriends of those boys who flew into fits of rage. We're not going to agree on this, and we can go back and forth. I'll just leave you with this obnoxious cliche. You won't understand until you look at your own child.
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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I don't really expect anyone to agree with me on this. Like I said, just trying to open up a discussion.
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Terry FooteSoccer Kid
1053 days ago
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You're argument is something akin to this - if people are allowed to own pistols, then why shouldn't they have the freedom to own a rocket launcher. And in this argument, I think it's pretty analagous that a pistol is to a greenie or sheep testicles as a rocket launcher is to steroids. In the contiuum of performance enhancement use, a line has to be drawn somewhere. Greenies keep you from falling asleep due to the exhaustion of travelling on a 160 game schedule. Steroids change the way your muscles absorb nutrients and how much recovery time you need. Furthermore, the leadership of MLB in whose domain is the integrity of the game can't have the rules dictated by the "well everyone is doing it" philosophy of life. With that line of thought you can literally legalize just about anything. You're argument is well argued, however I just happen to vehemently disagree with it.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
1053 days ago
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If you are trying to honestly provoke discussion, you'd be a little more willing to admit where you see the weaknesses in your own argument. If you believe this, believe it, and argue for it. Don't hide behind the "trying to make discussion" bit.
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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I am not suggesting that steroids should be legalized and sold over the counter at Walgreens, but that they should be regulated and distributed only via prescription from doctors who specialize in that kind of medicine. My whole point is to try and reduce the health effects caused by steroids. So I am saying if people are going to use them no matter what then why not have them go through a doctor instead of the black market.
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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I am not trying to hide behind anything, and I have stood behind my arguement in every sense. When I say I am trying to create a discussion, what I mean is that it would be pretty naive for me to think that I could just write one article and suddenly everyone would come to my way of thinking. The most I can possibly hope to accomplish at this point is to get people few people thinking that maybe there is another side to this arguement afterall.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
1053 days ago
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I understand the Dr. vs blackmarket argument. From that perspective I don't care. I actaully agree there. The point I make is that even if they ARE allowed from a Dr., they should still be banned from professional athletics.
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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By banning them you recreate the black market.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
1053 days ago
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Re-read what I said. I think the argument for legalization is fine. The argument for their being allowed in baseball and other sports fails.
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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I responded to this in the wrong spot here is what I said, "If they are still banned in baseball and other sports then this will prevent team doctors from being the ones to prescribe them. Not only that, but if you are legalizing them but banning them from professional sports then who are you legalizing them for?"
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
1053 days ago
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Once again, re-read what I've said. I've been pretty clear about my thoughts about the costs of allowing steroids into pro sports, as have others. If you don't understand the reasons, you're not going to. And you're right, there's no point to legalization if they are banned for the pros.

The answer for the black market is simple. Anyone caught using any of these methods should be banned from competition for life. Period. Then let them have their black market. And let people get caught. And let people get their results another way, like Mark "look at the size of the pimples on my popeye forearms" McGwire.

If the risks and punishments are too high, the rewards won't be worth it to most people. The reason for their rampant abuse in spite of banning is the weak punishment.
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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The risk already is that they might die. If they don't care about that risk then the risk or getting banned from their sports isn't going to matter either. It goes back to my point about the Olympians and cyclists who get stiffer penalties but continue to dope. I understand what you are trying to say to make them legal but still not allowed in professional sports, but as we both agree that is pointless. I fully understand your concern regarding the negative message to children, but as I have said before it is not Barry Bond's responsibility to set an example for your children.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
1053 days ago
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Nobody said it is his responsibility to be a roll model. Doesn't make it any less a fact that he IS one. That was the beef with Charles Barkley's old comments (which he eventually recanted).

If you don't understand the reasons that Death isn't as immediate a punishment as some of the other things mentioned, there's no more point in conversing.

When Bonds is dying at 55 with tumors and such, perhaps he'll recant. His ego and his desire for success far outweighed that thought now, and it will for other people. It is sad, but the threat of death doesn't matter. The threat of a crappy life does. (The death penalty, for example, has been proven not to be a deterrent).
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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And if Bonds dies at 55 which very well may happen then that was his choice. Will he regret it? He may or may not but either way it will have been his choice. You can't try to save everyone from themselves.

As far as his being a role model obviously kids are going to look up to him because he's on TV, but the bottom line is no kid ever died of steroids because of Barry Bonds. Someone, be it a parent, coach whoever let them down somewhere in their life.

When a kid starts doing steroids and his parents and coaches look the other way, then the kid dies, it's easy to go on TV and blame Barry Bonds, but whose fault was it really. You are telling me a coach doesn't know what players on his team are on steroids?

How about this solution. What if professional sports leagues allowed regulated steroid use, but were required to donate millions of dollars a year to the education of school kids about steroids. You could train coaches about what warning signs to look for and so on.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1053 days ago
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If anyone is ever caught cheating, there should be a zero tolerance policy. I.e. they can never play again. If players know that they could get away with it, or only serve a small ban (like Bonds) everyone will start doing it.

The attitude of letting everyone doing it in the first place is flawed, as you're letting people take drugs - which is an awful example to set to the children watching the game. It should be made illegal with respect to national law, and have severe penalties then. If they then don't pay attention, they're their own worst enemy.

This is the single reason that I prefer cricket to baseball. While they are similar games, cricket has absolutely no cheats. Indeed, there need not be umpires most of the time, such is the spirit and camoradory of the players, and most importantly - honesty. I only wish baseball were like that.
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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The Olympics have the toughest doping policy out there and they ban athletes who test positive for what is essentially a lifetime in those sports. How many Olympians test positive anyway? And those are just the ones who get caught. What you suggest sounds good on paper but there is always going to be someone trying to get ahead anyway. Cycling is another example, 4 out of the top 5 finishers in the 2005 tour de France tested positive before the 2006 race. That is another sport with a really tough doping policy, but it is probably the dirtiest one out there.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
1053 days ago
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No one cheats at cricket because, face it Alex, how much money is there to gain, relatively speaking? No one cheats in water polo either. (This is not to say cricket isn't cool).
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1053 days ago
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There's no money in cricket. And therein lies the problem with baseball. Cricketers play for the love of the game, not money, which is something that baseballers should do.

A cricketer that plays county cricket to an average standard all his life will gain no media exposure, but will make about $50,000 a year (£25,000). He will go into further employment. It is actually, relative to other jobs in Britain, a competitive wage.

It is awful that baseball players are paid millions of dollars, when doctors are paid less. They can then retire on their cushy bankroll. If it were so that, they would have to live in the real world once they retire from the game, then they would perhaps respect the rules more.

That's why a lot of ex-cricketers go into either journalism, broadcasting, coaching or umpiring. It strikes me as odd that ex-pros don't become umpires in baseball as much as it should (or as it does in cricket).

At the end of the day it is a spectale for the fans, and nobody wants to watch cheats.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1053 days ago
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The point is that the people that do try and cheat should be caught, not encouraged.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
1053 days ago
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Presactly :)
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
1053 days ago
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Just because people get away with it, doesn't mean we should approve of it.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1053 days ago
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It's like the football and the diving - i.e. players intentionally diving to fool the referee into giving him a free kick, and get the offender (who did nothing wrong) punished. The Chairman of the Italian FA said that if people dive and get away with it, it's their good skill. He has since been forced to resign. Nobody likes cheats, and whilst with this solution leads to no cheating, it shows you are changing the rules to make them comply. Then, they'll do anything to break other rules in baseball. Such as, e.g. slide into first. If everyone starts doing it, MLB will change the rule. The point is, the rule should not be broken in the first place. The players would otherwise take liberties.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
1053 days ago
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Dammit dude, for a tea-drinker, you sure have it nailed :) Although I think the soccer/diving issue has become a bigger deal because of the increased focus on it and money for that matter. In particular the televising that makes diving obvious. No one want's their sport known as Grass Diving.
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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Didn't Italy win the World Cup in diving?
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
1053 days ago
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And boy did they dive well
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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"With the clock ticking down, Fabio Grosso marauded down the left flank and worked his way into the box before falling over Lucas Neill's prone body." courtesy of BBC.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1053 days ago
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Well... they won the Football World Cup, although they decided not to cheat much towards the end (i.e. when they started to get criticised). So to answer your question, yes. And for a Brit, I am not as much a fan of football as you may think. Hence you read more articles on here about snooker and F1 and cricket etc. And I actually tend toward fruit cordial. I can't be bothered to wait for the kettle to boil most of the time... :)
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1053 days ago
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(I only just read your last comment) Like I say, I am not a big fan of football, for I hate cheating.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1053 days ago
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How can you support a sport in which this happens?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1053 days ago
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Good work, it's always nice to see a different viewpoint.

An old saying goes "Eliminate the warning signs and you eliminate the stupid."

All drugs should be legalized until all the druggies have OD'd. We spend much too much time and money prosecuting, locking up and imprisoning people who would just die from their own stupidity if we let them have what they want. We COULD be spending half of that money on education and research, while getting tenfold the return on the investment.

Saying "drugs/steroids/guns/whatever is a problem" is a problem. Objects and items are not a problem, people are. It's easier to teach a kid to not get burned than to treat a burned child. WHY do we do it backwards when it comes to drugs?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1053 days ago
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and to further your point, where does regulation start and end? Vitamins? Mineral Water? Sheep testicles? With what they can test for? Isn't Tommy John Surgery, Hyperbaric Chambers and good luck charms forms of "cheating"?
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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Well said Manny. If we legalized gambling and street drugs it would be the end of organized crime.
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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You are speaking my language Manny. I think I summed it up best when I said, "Are performance enhancing drugs an unfair advantage, or simply improved performance through better technology?" Don't forget about those titanium drivers.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1053 days ago
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This may sound harsh, but if you're the type of person that's going to kill yourself on drugs of various kinds, then you are probably not society's greatest loss.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
1053 days ago
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you cannot legalize everything, c'mon that is just plain idiotic!!! think about it, just because you know organized crime is involved or people will do things anyway DOESN'T mean the government should sanction these activities. that is crazy!! society needs rules and laws, without them we would have chaos. enough said, done deal, bingo.
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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I never said legalize everything. There are certain things that we are wasting our time on, notably drugs and gambling. Guns are another story, you have to have gun laws.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1053 days ago
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"Without Laws we would have choas"...No.

Without laws, we would have freedom. And what is FREEDOM to a lawmaker? Chaos.

Chaos never stays chaos for long, as it too must find an equilibrium. Restrictions, laws and prohibitions create MORE restrictions, laws and prohibitions...

By the way, a large portion of organized crime is created by the people whose job it is to STOP crime...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1053 days ago
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And goddam it! I was just saying this the other day. Screw Steve Bechler.

Because that fat bastard couldn't apply common sense or hard work, I CAN'T have ephedra???!!?!? Banning ephedra was dumb. I used ephedra as a training aid, weight loss aid and energy booster. I don't drink coffee, I don't like caffeine, it doesn't work on me, it makes me nauseously jittery. Ephedra worked GREAT> No shakes, no trouble sleeping, all because I never took more than recommended amounts at a time! I didn't need to, IT WORKS GREAT!

But because a few idiots took gobfuls while NOT drinking water and wearing plastic sweat suits, I'M not allowed to have it? Retarded!

WHY did Bechler die? Because Ephedra is BAD for you? NO. He died because he was an IDIOT! Take too much of ANYTHING and you might die, duh!

MEANWHILE I can go buy a LETHAL dosage of alcohol at any store... Oh, yeah... one guy dies while acting like an idiot on ephedra, dozens of people die EVERY DAY because of alcohol??? WTF????
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SashaDiv-I Stud
1053 days ago
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The only thing that needs to be said as to why these substances will never be allowed in sports is because the majority of people do not want them. This will not change no matter how reasoned your arguments are Super because in peoples' guts they just don't want it to happen. One of the things we love about sports is that players are people who are able to do amazing things because they are gifted not because they popped a pill.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1053 days ago
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The "majority of people" is why the world is the way it is today!
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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The media wants you to believe that a majority of people don't want them. The bottom line is a majority of people don't care. TV ratings and ticket sales are at an all-time high. If people cared about steroids they would have stopped watching the games.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1053 days ago
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Maybe, just maybe... if people would take their precious "Sports" off the pedestal it doesn't belong on (they ARE MERELY games, people) we could look at the issue with clarity.
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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Exactly, people need to realize that sports are entertainment and are no holier than any other form of entertainment. Athletes are entertainers who shouldn't be held to a higher standards than any other entertainers.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1053 days ago
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Entertainment. Woo, can't find that everywhere in this world (look no further than your belly button - my 16 month old is entertained by his ALL DAY)

So if you say NO to steroids in sports, you BETTER NOT be enjoying any Rocky movies (Sly looks all natural), no more implanted and liposuctioned strippers, I mean "actresses"... no more special effects or ANY "digitally enhanced" movies or music! No more background tracks at concerts, no more DJs, no more dancers that don't sing, we want MUSICIANS for that sake! No more previously recorded shows, and no more laugh tracks, we want LIVE studio audiences!!

because the majority of people want it Natural and we want it REAL!!!

That's why we have perfect looking (biologically altered) tomatoes, bananas and corn.

That's why we have automobiles, airplanes, computers, lights and cameras... because we are able to USE technological advances (whether through science, medicine or mathematics) to our advantage! But we draw a line at our professional sports...
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SashaDiv-I Stud
1053 days ago
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Manny things cannot always be clumped together movies that use special effects don't pretend to do it naturally I don't see why you are saying we shouldn't have dancers that don't sing dancers provide entertainment without singing. I would very much like musicians to play all the music at a live event. And I don't understand what previously recorded shows have to do. As for the technology we use we don't ask catchers to go with out there gear because it is necessary, steroids on the other hand are not needed.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1053 days ago
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if there was a pill that made you smarter, therefore able to do compete in a marketplace for higher salary with the exact same side effects of steroids would you take it? I mean, you're only gonna take it as long as you need it!

What if there was a pill that just made you rich, more popular and more attractive to women (chicks dig the longball)?

That's the choice that professional athletes make...

Why don't we hold politicians to the same standards that we hold our esteemed athletes???
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SashaDiv-I Stud
1053 days ago
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Well usually politicians are smarter and are better at hiding it.  : )
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1053 days ago
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I didn't understand your word structure... must be a typo, you said 'smarter' and 'politician' in the same sentence...
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SashaDiv-I Stud
1053 days ago
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Not to ruin a semi funny joke but that is why we don't hold politicians to a high standard.
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KelsdadAll-Star
1053 days ago
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Why doesnt everyone take this for what it is? A freakin' college term paper. It was written for a grade, not because Mr Superfan actually believes in the legalization of drugs. (And if he does, all we're doing is supporting his belief by responding to this crap.) I wrote a term paper in college supporting Barney Fife for President, and also got an A, but I didnt believe a word I said because all I cared about was the end result, which was the grade. So lets all take this for what it is, which is devoid of substance and intelligence, and what its for, a re-cycled paper edited to fit this forum, and probably originally written under the influence of the popular drug of the day, whatever it was.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1053 days ago
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Ha! You're right... always read the disclaimers (I'm so used to them at the end and in fine print that I missed it right there in the first sentence)

BUUUUUUUT... There was no TV (thus no Barney Fife) when you were in college!!! Busted!

This is called: Retaliation for your 'staying up past 10' comment earlier! ;p
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1053 days ago
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I have been waiting on you all day. I thought you were going to be way rougher on me then that. I must admit, I did have a couple of sheep testicles before I wrote it.
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EnyboDiv-I Stud
1053 days ago
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Who's Kel? And why is his dad on here? Obviuosly term papers can influence society, Barney Fife is president, that or Bush is a very good impersonator. Anyway, the legalization of steroids in an interesting topic to debate. Can't you just enjoy the discussion? After all thats what this site is for, to talk/debate sports.
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KelsdadAll-Star
1053 days ago
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And I was worried you had missed it. And ask my little brother whether or not we had TV...he was the one standing next to it holding on to the antenna so I could watch.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1053 days ago
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your brother was a coat hanger?
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KelsdadAll-Star
1053 days ago
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...wrapped him in aluminum foil too.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
1052 days ago
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sorry, you can't legalize all drugs. that is a simplistic and childish way of thinking.
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
1047 days ago
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Why would any athlete feel good about an achievement that wasn't really their natural born talent, but merely a drug in action. To me it's like someone with a gun thinking that they're tough stuff against someone without one. Take away the gun and what have you got? Probably someone who's gonna get their butt whipped. By the way, I'm also doing a college essay on this very topic, but as you may have guessed, I'm on the other side.I think your essay was outstanding, and your counter-arguments were well presented.
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
1046 days ago
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Here is what I don't understand, it's not as if steroids are this magic pill that you can just take and be a professional athlete. If that was the case I would be a professional athlete right now instead of posting on this board. Steroids or not you still have to have natural talent in order to become a professional athlete. If I started taking steroids I might be able to hit 2 home runs in a season instead of 1 without. A guy like McGwire on the other hand was able to go from 50 homers to 70. He still had to be good to start out with. Steroids for the most part are taken so that an athlete can work harder, not to make things easier. To me it is little more than a technological advance. Should a golfer be any less proud of a 400 yard drive if he hits it with a titanium driver when Ben Hogan had to use wooden woods? I am sure Ben Hogan wood have taken a titanium driver if you had offered him one. If Babe Ruth ate sheep testicles then I am sure he would have taken THG if it had been offered to him, and if he was alive today I bet he would be the first to admit it.
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Anonymous Fanatic #4
976 days ago
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I LIKE PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS!! THEY MAKE ME HAPPY AND GOOD AT SPORTS SO BACK OFF!!
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Anonymous Fanatic #4
976 days ago
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WHAT IS UR PROBLEM U PSYCHO FREEAK??? DRUGS R DA DEBBBBIL!!!
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Anonymous Fanatic #5
943 days ago
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I am doing a paper on PED. I have to advocate for the use of them. Developing my argument has been very hard. There are some serious side effects to the drugs and some of the things athletes go through to gain a competitive edge. Whoa. But my job for this paper is to pursuade the reader that they should be legalized. I don't know about the legalization of them. It will just make it legal for someone to go to the extreme and kill themselves or damage their body. To dope or not to dope? I dont think someone making the decision to do so or not doesnt take away from the dangers and health risks at hand. Some people use drugs recreationally, some people use drugs to "enhance performance" whatever the case may be, the ultimate choice is up to the individual. Just because something is illegal doesnt mean a person wont do it.
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Anonymous Fanatic #6
929 days ago
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I agree with the paper. Dont all drugs have a potential harmful side effect......
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Anonymous Fanatic #7
768 days ago
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The dangers of steroids are exaggerated by the mainstream media and people just believe it without doing their own research. I can tell you from personal experience that roid rage, for example, is just a myth. Also, there is no proof whatsoever that steroid use causes liver cancer. Did you know that injected steroids do not strain the liver at all? That's right, go research it. Only oral steroids stress the liver and in most people, unless they do mega doses, their liver values will remain in the normal range while using steroids. I could go on and on. My point it that so much of the whole steroid discussion is based on bullshit and not fact.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
768 days ago
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Fact is, most discussions are based on bullshit and not fact! AS long as we can't "talk about it" open, honestly with scientific analysis and rational observation, all we'll have is social pariahs, myth and bullshit.
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Anonymous Fanatic #8
756 days ago
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how to cite this page
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Anonymous Fanatic #9
719 days ago
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I still think that steroids are bad and should only be given to people who relly need them.
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CoacharambelSoccer Kid
604 days ago
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So how long till 7th and 8th graders start using because the know to get to the pros they need steroids to have a chance because everyone else is on it
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Anonymous Fanatic #10
409 days ago
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ok see her the whole thing with steroids or any drugs is that thhere are always people out there who are gonna use them you cant stop it all of the media buts a bad spotlight on steroids because they call it cheating well in a football game when the kicker kicks a field goal and its not in then the wind blows it in couldnt that be cheating?? or what bout when an away team ia at another teams stadium and cant even hear the other players cant that even be called cheating?? i am amazed at the opions of everyone because im willing to bet that not one person that has left a comment has taken them and has been there and had the limelight or the other significant results of steroids or the benifits of useing them i am a 16 year old teenager i know alot of people that use steroids and i know alot of people that dont almost all athletes at one point will have something that they think will get them ahead and its not bout staying above the influence or anything like that its just people are gonna do what they want theres no stopping them this is a very serious topic and im glad i came across this disscusion but the point is no matter what the penalty or the punishment for useing steroids there is still gonna be people that are useing them look at any olympian they have achieved problay the best thing in the world and they know the consequences for useing steroids and what will happen the shame in the public eye the stripping of their medals and any other past medals but they still do it and not even all athletes that use them are caught im sure athletes at the olympics used steroids and didnt get caught there are easy ways to get around getting caaught we all know this as long as any drug is out there there will be something to help hide it
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Anonymous Fanatic #11
402 days ago
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weeeeeeeeeenie
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Anonymous Fanatic #12
384 days ago
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These should absolutely be legalized. Doctors already prescribe them as medication for various conditions, why not just extend that to include pro athletes. Plus if I'm gonna pay 70 bucks for a ticket, another 10 for parking, 4 dollars for a plastic cup of beer and 5 for a hot dog, I want to see some action on the field.
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288 days ago
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288 days ago
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
288 days ago
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Mom! How many times do I have to tell you to stop embarassing me like that!
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SSreportersLegend
288 days ago
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Anon, perhaps you should take up yoga.
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288 days ago
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;oj
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272 days ago
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Anonymous Fanatic #15
221 days ago
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sup every1!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Anonymous Fanatic #15
221 days ago
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i dont think they should be using drugs in sports. wow. that isnt fair to the people who arent using performance enhancing drugs. and then if everyone uses them...whats the point. people will feel pressure to use them.  :)
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Anonymous Fanatic #15
221 days ago
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gwert nakifeld everyone!
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Anonymous Fanatic #16
215 days ago
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drugs should not be legalized ... Its not fair to everyone .. and it harms your body more than it cures or enhances it
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Anonymous Fanatic #17
192 days ago
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i love steroids
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Anonymous Fanatic #18
190 days ago
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LIGALIZE IT !!
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