armchairgm
all sports, all you
+ Add Friends
You are not logged-in.
Sign Up - Log In
Main Page
Sports
Write
Articles
Hot Links
Images
Meet People
Fun
Explore
MLB - NFL - NBA - NHL - College Basketball - College Football - Soccer - Nascar - Other
Article - Locker Room Discussion
All Articles - New Articles - Today's Articles
Submit a Link - Approve Links
Picture Game - Ratings - Polls - Pick Game - Quiz Game - Spring Silliness
Random Page - Random Image - Random Fan
Edit
Page history Discuss pageWhat links here

KG, KD, PHX and my future as an NBA fan

10
Vote

by user Kevinsecaur

I haven’t watched an entire NBA basketball game since Michael Jordan retired after leading the Bulls to the 1998 NBA title. I admit I was a bandwagon Bulls fan during the Jordan era, but I offer no apologies for this.

 

Since ’98, I have had no interest in the Association. I’ve followed the league in an “I can’t really consider myself a huge sports guy unless I have at least some knowledge of what’s going on in pro hoops” sort of way.

 

I knew who was good and who was bad. I knew which players were talkin’ ’bout practice and which were facing sexual assault allegations. I took a mild interest in the Lakers’ three-peat and Tim Duncan leading the Spurs to three championships in a seven-year span. But for the most part, I simply did not care about NBA basketball. To me, it was nothing more than poorly played, poorly officiated and (more often than not) poorly coached basketball played by selfish, spoiled athletes. For those (among other) reasons, I saw no incentive to follow or watch NBA hoops on a regular basis.

 

Fast forward nearly ten years to May 2007, and I – like MJ himself – am pondering a comeback … to NBA fandom that is.

 

Now before I go losing my mind and making any rash decisions, let me explain three things. First of all, I’ve always been a big Kevin Garnett fan. Ever since my college roommate Tim and I engaged in a long -running debate about who was a better player – Tracy McGrady or Garnett – during the 2002-’03 season, I’ve been a KG guy. You see, I took on the position that McGrady was selfish and one-dimensional. And though extremely talented, McGrady was no match for KG, who was a 23-10 guy giving maximum effort despite playing for a mediocre T-wolves team. Tim’s case was … well, I honestly don’t know what his argument was, but I’m pretty sure it was weak and that I clearly out-debated him.

 

It should be noted that this was the same season in which KG led Troy Hudson, Wally Szczerbiak, Rasho Nesterovic and company to a 51-win season. T-Mac, meanwhile, was busy leading Orlando to a 3-1 series lead and saying how great it felt to finally get past the first round only to lose three straight to Detroit and get eliminated.

 

KG went on to win league MVP honors the following season and lead (admittedly, a much better) Minnesota team to the Western Conference finals, at which point I proclaimed myself victorious and pretty much stopped thinking about this subject entirely.

 

Now, a few years have gone by. Garnett finds himself still putting up those 22-and-12s but on an atrocious T-wolves team that has missed the playoffs for three straight seasons. I know his teams have sucked, but you just can’t miss the playoffs entirely in the NBA. T-Mac, on the other hand, has found some success in Houston. He’s among the best pure scorers and one of the better all-around players in the league today, but has yet to advance past the first round in the playoffs. I bring this up not to rekindle the debate (which I’ve already won) but rather to establish my reasons for being such a big KG supporter.

 

Needless to say, I’m firmly in the camp that believes Garnett could win – and would have already won – a championship if ever provided an able supporting cast.

 

Secondly, I’m a huge Kevin Durant fan. I could write an entire column on the whole Oden vs. Durant thing, but I’ll spare you. I’m not even trying to say Durant is going to be better than Oden or that I’d draft Durant ahead of Oden; I’m just saying I love watching Durant play. Watching him dominate – no, dominate is not a strong enough word. Watching Durant demolish his competition as an 18-year-old college freshman was simply a thing of beauty. Suffice to say, I’ll be among those closely following KD’s professional career.

 

The third factor deals with the Phoenix Suns or, as I like to call them, the only watchable NBA team. My apologies to NBA fans out there, but pro b-ball is boring! The Spurs are great and all, but I’d rather have a root canal than watch an entire San Antonio game. Same goes for the Pistons. And don’t even get me started on LeBron’s Cavs, who are a pathetic basketball team prospering because they have one superstar and play in what is possibly the weakest conference in NBA history.

 

Anyway, my point is if you forced me to become a fan of an NBA team and, you know, actually watch its games on a consistent basis, I’d choose the Phoenix Suns and nobody else even comes close.

 

So, with all of that in mind, I present to you four scenarios involving my future as an NBA fan in order from least to most likely:

 

4) The least likely scenario involves simply waiting for this summer’s NBA Draft and immediately becoming a fan of whoever drafts Durant, regardless of the team. Durant will likely go second overall, so I could even prepare myself by watching the draft lottery, which will be held on May 22. It is, as I said, simple but how much fun would it be to declare blindly that Memphis, Boston or Milwaukee is now “my team” simply because they’ve drafted KD?

 

3) Our next scenario is less likely to happen in real life but more likely in terms of converting me into a full-fledged NBA fan. Did that sentence make any sense whatsoever?

 

This scenario also involves Durant but is far more complex. You see, one of the rumors I’ve heard is that – if they fail to win a title this year – the Suns would be looking for a major shakeup this off-season. Trailing 3-2 and facing a game six in San Antonio, it looks like Phoenix’s days are numbered in ’07. After being bounced from the playoffs, the Suns instigate said shakeup by protecting Steve Nash and Amare Stoudemire and offering up pretty much anyone and everyone else for the second pick in the draft.

 

Look, I’m obviously no expert on the NBA and I don’t even know how a deal like this would work, so forgive me if this is way off base. But let’s say the Suns offered up Shawn Marion, Raja Bell OR Boris Diaw and their lottery pick (from Atlanta) for the #2 pick. That seems like a lot to give up to me, but this is just a hypothetical. Then the Suns take Durant with their pick and have a nucleus of Nash, Barbosa, Durant, Bell/Diaw, Amare, James Jones and Kurt Thomas. I don’t know if that team could win an NBA title, but I do know that I’d pre-order a blue and orange Durant jersey tomorrow, and the NBA would have itself one more fan. How much fun would that team be to watch?

 

2) The second most likely scenario in reference to my future as an NBA fan is the one laid out by espn.com’s Bill Simmons earlier this week. Writes Simmons: “If Phoenix gets bounced this week, don't they HAVE to trade Amare Stoudemire for KG?”

 

My answer: I don’t know but god I hope so. His trade scenario, in short, is Amare, Marcus Banks and Phoenix’s lottery pick for Garnett and Minnesota’s pick. Now, you’ve got a Suns teams led by Nash, KG and Marion. Wow! Speaking of ordering jerseys, put me down for a Phoenix #21 please. Hell, I might even order NBA League Pass if this deal goes down.

 

1) The University of Dayton, my alma mater, has a blue-chip recruit coming in for the first time in … oh, I don’t know … ever! His name is Chris Wright and he has a chance to be the first Flyer in the NBA since Negele Knight. If a UD player ends up in the league, there’s no way I do not immediately become a fan of any team he lands on. So I guess you’d have to say that the most likely scenario regarding my fandom is … that’s right, complete apathy toward all things NBA until a Dayton Flyer enters the league. Which might take a while.

 

So there you have it. Here I sit contemplating a Jordan-like comeback to the world of NBA basketball, and I’ve laid out four possible scenarios for such a thing to occur. I guess the only question now is: will it be a mid-‘90s Jordan to the Bulls comeback or a 2001 MJ to the Wizards-type comeback?

 

Now that, not unlike following the NBA for an entire season, is a scary thought.


Enable Comment Auto-Refresher
Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
925 days ago
Score 0+-
PHX will trade Marion WAAAAY before they'll trade Amare. Hell, they'd trade NASH before Amare. Amare is STILL YOUNG, KG is aging and worn. NO WAY they get older AND less athletic (yeah, I said it) - Amare is the franchise (ask Joe Johnson)
Permalink | Reply
KevinsecaurWaterboy
925 days ago
Score 1+-
I don't follow the NBA enough to know, but I always thought Amare benefited a ton from playing with Nash. KG in his prime > Amare in his. KG on Nash's team > Amare on Nash's team? Also, don't discount the fact that Garnett would give his left nut, his first born son, 10 years off the back end of his life, etc. to win a title. I'd pull the trigger on that deal...
Permalink
Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
925 days ago
Score 0+-
KG is not an upgrade. He's on the downside of his prime, Amare just made the first of MANY 1st team All-NBA's. KG gets paid more too, albeit not for longer... Nash does help Amare the way Stockton helped Malone. And, uh... Malone was pretty damned good on his own accord, Amare is a BEAST and meaner than Malone. Amare can get his from anywhere on the court, Nash just makes it easier for everyone else too. KG is a better rebounder and defender, but he doesn't have the offensive array that Amare does and NO WHERE near the power & explosiveness. And KG IS getting worse while Amare IS getting better. No deal, Howie!
Permalink
KelsdadAll-Star
925 days ago
Score 1+-
The Suns are going to trade Diaw. They will upgrade through the draft (have a top five pick from Atlanta in the Johnson deal). They just love Joaqim Noah, he comes, Boris goes. And none too soon.
Permalink | Reply
Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
925 days ago
Score 0+-
they only get the Atlanta pick if it's NOT top 3, and Noah (who is perfect for D'Antoni's system) very well might be there..

Sad as it is to say, if anyone goes (after Banks), it's because of salary. Therefore it's Marion. He'll bring back the most in return, he's getting older and gets paid the most. Do the math.

Hopefully, they stand pat, MAKE the draft selections (it's actually better if they don't get the ATL pick this year as they already have other first rounders to deal) just re-up Marion, ride out Nash's contract, then Bell's and by then Barbosa can take over as "the" man at point.

Needless to say, there's a ton of talented pieces here and keeping it together is a fun problem to have... but talk about the future, we can talk about how Game 7 here in PHX will be Madhouse!
Permalink
KelsdadAll-Star
925 days ago
Score 0+-
The difference, my man, is that Marion can play and Diaw just fills a uniform. Let him be someone else's problem. If the Suns get Noah, or someone similar, they will start immediately. No sense having Barbosa and Diaw coming off the bench for what they're making, and as much as I hate Barbosa, he does actually have some value. Not much, but some, and certainly more than Diaw does.
Permalink | Reply
Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
925 days ago
Score 0+-
I like Diaw alot and think extremely highly of Barbosa. Just because they make it look effortless doesn't mean they don't play hard. Diaw has a touch of Penny-itis. He runs with his shoulders back so it looks like he's running home to take a whoopin from Mama.

Regardless, he has unique skills that no one else will bring. He is a distributor that can guard anyone from a PG to Yao Ming. Show me someone with his skills that does it better or cheaper.

Diaw is Magic-esque. Yes, I said it.
Permalink
KevinsecaurWaterboy
924 days ago
Score 0+-
Manny, your bias clouds your judgment. Just to recap, I'd pull the trigger on the KG deal, essentially pushing all my chips in the center of the table for one title run led by KG and Nash (both admittedly at the tail-end of their primes). Meanwhile you'd "stand pat" and lose in the 2nd round again.
Permalink | Reply
Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
924 days ago
Score 0+-
it's not standing pat. You are a fool if you didn't see this series as "The real championship" it was billed to be. The Suns didn't lose to the Warriors, they lost to the Spurs - the best team in the past 10 or so years. Nothing wrong with playing your best and losing to Tim Duncan. The pieces are here, not "out there". That's why you're not an NBA GM.
Permalink
Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
924 days ago
Score 0+-
plus, it's a freeking odd numbered year... Does Bret Saberhagen have any ties to the Spurs?
Permalink
KevinsecaurWaterboy
924 days ago
Score 0+-
"Hopefully, they stand pat..." -Manny Stiles Have they even made the finals, let alone won a title, with this nucleus? Say what you want about this series being the "real finals." I'm more of a real-life results man myself.
Permalink | Reply
Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
924 days ago
Score 0+-
and why is it that EVERY person who says something akin to "Since ’98, I have had no interest in the Association" suddenly has ALL the answers to everything. Since you haven't watched the Suns in the playoffs ANY of the previous two years, (Lost in the Western Finals, Lost in the Western Finals whilst KG twidled thumbs on the golf course) you suddenly have a diagnosis AND cure. Well done, doctor! We'll notify the Nobel Prize Patrol. Nothing personal, but it happens alot.
Permalink | Reply
Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
924 days ago
Score 0+-
Amare is TWENTY FOUR YEARS OLD. He is still, repeat STILL learning how to play. It's not standing pat... they are more battle tested than ever (or more cursed than ever?!??!)this team is still on the rise... At least SI won't pick them NEXT year!!!
Permalink
KevinsecaurWaterboy
924 days ago
Score 0+-
1. Thanks for lumping me in with everyone else. Sweet.

2. I didn't watch the Suns in this year's playoffs or any other playoffs for that matter. I tried to watch Game 5 but fell asleep at halftime. But so what? We should listen to you who watches them and follows them on a daily basis and GUARANTEED they'd win it all? I can be just as wrong as you were without even watching the games. No offense.

4. Finally, the premise of the article was things that could happen that would bring me back to the NBA as a fan. Not "what the Suns need to do to win a title." It's actually quite complimentary toward the Suns as they are the only team that is entertaining and enjoyable to watch on a regular basis, and one of (if not the) only teams I'd actually consider following as a fan.
Permalink
KevinsecaurWaterboy
924 days ago
Score 1+-
I'm good at counting. It probably should have been 1-2-3.
Permalink
Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
924 days ago
Score -1+-
3. I never GUARANTEED anything. I might have said they were "going to win" over and over again (and I still think they have a decent chance) but I never GUARANTEED anything about the Suns. I'm not THAT good... in fact, I HAVEN'T written about them as to NOT jinx them, Dr. Smartypants... see how well that worked??

So yeah... you're not me, so "everyone else". Don't qualify your article and I won't hold your qualifications against you.

Go Suns!
Permalink
KevinsecaurWaterboy
924 days ago
Score 0+-
"I still think they have a decent chance."

What alternate universe do you live in? Hate to break this to you, but the Suns lost last night... unless that's not what you meant??? You pretty much conceded them the title for the last 2+ months, and they got eliminated in the 2nd round of the playoffs. They made it as far as Golden State, Chicago, and New Jersey. Congrats.

What "qualifications" are you referring to?
Permalink
False ProphetAll-Star
924 days ago
Score 0+-
I live in Minny, and held Season tickets to the wolves the year they made their run and then the year after. KG+PHX-Anyone on PHX=Championship. KG would have made the playoffs this last season if Dwayne Cassey would have been allowed to coach through the rest of the season. They had a chance to match up against PHX, who I still believe could have been beat by Denver or even Minny (but probably not in a 7 game series). KG would up his performance if he wasn't the only option. Name me another player worth a damn on the entire T-Wolves roster. Ok, Randy Foye isn't half bad, and ditto Rashad McCants. But neither of them really demand that much respect yet. They are bad enough where Mike James is a day to day starter, and Marko Jaric gets regular minnutes off the bench. They have friggen T-Hud on their team. He's a better Rapper than player, and he sucks at rapping. KG wears down because there is not one player that he can trust to amount to anything.

So once again, I give you my mathematical Formula:

KG+PHX-Any play on the Suns roster=Championship(s)
Permalink | Reply
Add your Comment
ArmchairGM welcomes all comments. If you don't want to be anonymous, Register or Login. It's free


Retrieved from "http://armchairgm.wikia.com/KG%2C_KD%2C_PHX_and_my_future_as_an_NBA_fan"

This page was last modified 18:01, 18 May 2007. Content is available under the GFDL.

Contribute

ArmchairGM's pages can be edited.
Is this page incomplete? Is there anything wrong?
Change it!

Edit this page Discuss this page Page history

Recent contributors to this page

The following people recently contributed to this article.

Embed this on your site

Main Page About Special Pages Help Terms of Use Advertise