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Josh Beckett Vs. C.C. Sabathia: The Cy Young Debate

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by Tom Miller

Last night (and probably today, too), there was a debate raging about the 2007 AL Cy Young winner. Kelsdad believes that Josh Beckett should be the winner, and numerous others (myself, Romiezzo, and several others) argued that C.C. Sabathia has had the more impressive season. Because the Cy Young is voted on prior to the beginning of the playoffs, Beckett's dominance in the first two rounds against the Angels and the Indians is irrelevant.

(Side note: Fausto Carmona has had an amazing season also, and he was probably the 3rd-best pitcher in the AL this year. Unfortunately for him, his numbers, while extraordinary, aren't quite on the same level as Beckett and Sabathia.)

Josh Beckett

Beckett, the ace of the team considered to be the best in the major leagues for most of the season, led the majors in wins with 20. However, with wins being a terrible way to evaluate the performance of a pitcher and everything, this is really a side note, more a product of his offense scoring 6.42 runs per game he started. His 1.14 WHIP was good for 5th in the league. His ERA was 6th-best in the AL, a very good 3.27. Among AL pitchers with at least 180 IP, Beckett had a 4,85 K/BB ratio (4th-best), an 8.70 K/9 (6th), a .245 BAA (5th), and 194 Ks (7th).

In addition to these impressive statistics, Beckett was also the best pitcher on a Boston team that was considered by most to be the best team in MLB for most of this year. His "clutchness," which is one of Beckett's very highly touted qualities, didn't really come into play during the regular season.

C.C. Sabathia

Sabathia had a monster year, numbers-wise (and most likely, buffet-wise). His 19 wins were second, despite receiving over a run lower support (5.10 runs per game) than Beckett. Most of his numbers compare well to Beckett's, with a few more Ks (209, good for 5th), a slightly lower ERA of 3.21 (5th in the AL), a higher BAA of .259, and an identical WHIP of 1.14. However, in several important categories, Sabathia outdistances his competition. His 241 IP is not only good for the most in the majors, it's a 40-inning edge over Beckett, who finished with 200 2/3. Sabathia, despite pitching much more than Beckett, gave out fewer walks (37, to 40 for the Boston ace), and his 5.65 K/BB is by far the best among AL starters with at least 180 IP. By pitching the most innings in the majors, Sabathia has been able to pitch effectively late into games, leading to a more rested bullpen for the Indians. I'm not entirely sure that the ability for pitchers to save their bullpen is properly appreciated.

Who Should Win

Sabathia

Why? Because most things (Boston and Cleveland finished with identical records, most of their stats are pretty close) are equal, the numbers that Sabathia has in his favor, especially his walks and innings pitched, are all the more impressive. If I'm a voter, I give Sabathia the edge.

Who Will Win

Beckett

Why? Beckett's had a great season. The numbers he put up have been very impressive. In comparison to Sabathia, however, these numbers are, at least in 2007, second-best. So why does Beckett win? Because of the aforementioned Carmona. Cleveland, with it's two Cy Young candidates, will split the ticket, much the way 2 Democrats running for president would split the vote. (Thanks to Romiezzo for this succinct analogy.)

So, in conclusion, Beckett will win the Cy Young, Sabathia will finish second, and Carmona will finish third. However, Sabathia should win, followed by Beckett and with Carmona bringing up the rear.


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RomiezzoLegend
753 days ago
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That is exactly what my prediction is, with Johan Santana getting some recognition. Thanks, Tmil, for referring to my analogy.
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Falcon02520Legend
753 days ago
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Good article... the only numbers Beckett has an advantage in are batting average against and one (just one) more win... I'd like for the award to go to Beckett because I am a biased Sawx fan, but CC does seem more worthy...
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KelsdadAll-Star
753 days ago
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Nice, TMil.

No complaints, although it should be mentioned Sabathia's edge in innings pitched comes more from having four more starts than Beckett than to him being better or having more durability. On a per start basis, Sabathia averaged 7 innings and Beckett 6 2/3, which is nothing. And I would argue Beckett's lower game average is because of Bostons better bullpen, and why Sabathia pitched longer, because the bullpen wasn't as good.

I'm a Yankee fan, so I have no stake in who wins the award. I said before the season started Beckett would contend for the Cy Young, and I honestly believe, with all things considered, he's had the better year.

Truthfully? I could care less who wins.
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Tmil42AAA-er
753 days ago
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I was aware of the fact that Beckett missed 4 starts, but I think that also factors into the durability issue, Kelsdad. Also, the fact that Sabathia started four more games and gave up 3 fewer walks is pretty impressive to me. I'm like you though, I don't have a stake in who wins, I just would like to see them evaluated fairly, not on archaic and useless milestones like the 20-win plateau. And the way I evaluated it leads me to believe that Sabathia had the better season.
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KelsdadAll-Star
753 days ago
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No question. Beckett did have a DL stint, and the Red Sox protected him late in the season just so he could be strong now. And I agree with you on the walks thing, that is an impressive stat. But this really is all irrelevant, because the reason Sabathia won't win the award won't have nearly as much to do with stats than it will with being on the same team as another guy who had a great season. Carmona will steal votes. Maybe if Carmona pitched in LA or even New York, CC's chances would be much better.
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Tmil42AAA-er
753 days ago
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I couldn't agree more. Carmona's like the Ross Perot of this race.
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KelsdadAll-Star
753 days ago
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Well, almost. Ross Perot could have run against himself and still lost.
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Tmil42AAA-er
753 days ago
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Touche.
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RomiezzoLegend
753 days ago
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My votes would be:

1. CC Sabathia

2. Josh Beckett

3. Fausto Carmona

4. Erik Bedard

5. Johan Santana

This is what the outcome will be:

1. Josh Beckett

2. CC Sabathia (not by much)

3. Fausto Carmona

4. Erik Bedard

5. JJ Putz
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RomiezzoLegend
753 days ago
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No wait. I forgot Chien Ming Wang.
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RomiezzoLegend
753 days ago
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And Kelvim Escobar. CRAP! And LACKEY!
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RomiezzoLegend
753 days ago
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Screw it. Just stick to the top 3.
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Tmil42AAA-er
753 days ago
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Haha. That's why I stuck to the top 3, myself. After that it gets way to hard to predict what will happen.
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KelsdadAll-Star
753 days ago
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Anyone who votes for a closer in the top five in Cy Young (or a DH in MVP) should have his credentials revoked.
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