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It may only be Mini Camp, but Super Bowl XLII is already over (Patriots Update- June 11)

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by user False Prophet

You guessed it...Another Patriots Offseason update from Prophet. And this time, it's even better.

So what, the Twins can't score a run to save their live, all the while Santana is starting to turn back into his Cy Young form, and King James is getting killed in the Playoffs? Who cares? I don't. Why? Because the Pats are rolling on (almost) all Cylinders.

A few things that need to be addressed before I move on to the Moss talk. First is the holdout of Cornerback Asante Samuel . I say so what. Ellis Hobbs can move up, and if Randall Gay doesn't seem fit for the other Starting Spot, it just means that rookie Brandon Meriweather will get more Starting time. He hasn't shown up since the Rookie Mini Camp, but that's expected. He's not under contract. I say he'll get more playing time because if Gay doesn't become the other Starter, the other likely options are Chad Scott, who is a good corner when he doesn't get too agressive, and Safety Eugene Wilson, who's natural position is CB. Although, this is Bill Belichick, so for all we know, Meriweather will go to Corner.

Also, Samuel will command 2 Day one draft picks, unless the trade comes midseason to a struggling team with a potential top 10 pick. I'll take that any day. It'll give the Pats five day one picks, with the normal three, plus a third rounder for trading down in the draft. Samuel is a good Corner. He can command a sum, and deserves it, especially being young. With each season, Samuel is getting better and better at staying a proper distance from the Receiver, and not letting the Receiver get around him.

Hooray unintentional segues!!! The WR situation is not what it usually is up in New England at this time of year. Instead of worrying if Bam Childress (Who?) will be the 4th option, now we're worrying who will make the roster. As of now, I'd say Randy Moss, Donte Stallworth, and Wes Welker are all locks to make the team. Beyond that is anyone's guess. A lot depends on the decisions made by Troy Brown. If he returns, it means 2 of the 3 fighting for the spot will likely have to leave. No point in paying a 6th WR anything more than the minimum. If he calls it quits, It appears that Jabar Gaffney will end up in the 4th spot. From what I've heard from the most reliable reports I can get (the Patriots Radio Podcast "PFW in Progress", available on iTunes), Gaffney has been a stud so far in practice, just like he was last year. Gaffney and Brady seem to click on multiple levels, with a lot more passes than expected ending up in his hands. The final spot will likely go to Reche "Bug Eyes" Caldwell, if only because Kelley Washington has done next to nothing so far.

Now it's time for the Randy Moss Rant. He's impressed everyone. The Patriots.com writers, the local writers, heck even Len Pasquarelli is on the Randy Bandwagon. Randy is a huge asset for Brady because he has so much talent, it will allow Brady to put the Ball into tighter spaces and Randy can pull them down. My Guess is Randy plays for about four seasons in New England before Retiring. It'll be a huge asset for Brady to have a player of Randy's Caliber on the field.

At the very least, Randy knows what people want to hear. He's said all the right things so far, and he's been at the facilities almost non-stop for a couple weeks. Randy appearantly asked Free Agent Vinny Testaverde, who has been working out with the Pats all off season, what most guys do during the voluntary workout periods, and reportedly stayed in town between some of the Optional workouts. I'm impressed by these actions. He hasn't been the same Randy Moss that he was in Oakland.

One Quick note to wrap things up. Tight End Kyle Brady has been one of Tom's favorite targets so far this off season. He'll likely be the third Tight End, but it's a name to remember. He'll probably take Mike Vrabel's spot as the third Tight end in the Goal line formation.


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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
902 days ago
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so 9-7 it is...
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JuTMSY4Legend
902 days ago
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Given their division...the jets aren't easy games and the fins always play them well, they've got between 4 and 6 wins in the division (I could see a split between the jets or fins)...after that, they've got the NFC east and any one of those teams could play them well or could lay an egg...2-2, 3-1? (I hope 3-1, losing to you know who...) Otherwise, I'm not familiar with their schedule, but things could shake down to 10-6, but I think 11-5 or 12-4 makes more sense...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
902 days ago
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I wasn't judging it on anything other than False Prophet has called it. Heat, Twins, etc, so forth... so expect Tom Brady to die from explosive diarrhea and Randy Moss to end up with some sort of ass problem. Now, if he were a True Profit...
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
902 days ago
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Bill Belichick sprained his ass, kissing Randy Moss's. Tom Brady was taking pictures.
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JuTMSY4Legend
902 days ago
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touche...
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False ProphetAll-Star
902 days ago
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I can't recall off of the top of my head, but I think upwards of 10-6 maybe as high has 13-3 is possible. They'll split the series with the Phins and the Jets, and have a loss vs the NFC East unless TO Blows up, and McNabb blows an ACL.
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JuTMSY4Legend
902 days ago
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so, what you're saying is...you agree with me... Outside of the division (6 games) and the NFC East (4) who else do they have, chargers? Colts? Who's there inter conference division this year?
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False ProphetAll-Star
902 days ago
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pretty much. I think the realistic ceiling is higher than you probably do, but beyond that...

The schedule is as follows:

Week 1: AT NYJ
Week 2: vs. SD
Week 3: vs. BUF
Week 4: AT CIN
Week 5: vs. CLE
Week 6: @ DAL
Week 7: @ MIA
Week 8: vs. WSH
Week 9: @ IND
Week 10: BYE
Week 11: @ BUF
Week 12: vs. PHI
Week 13: @ BAL
Week 14: vs. PIT
Week: 15: vs. NYJ
Week 16: vs. MIA
Week 17: @ NYG
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LastRowAll-American
902 days ago
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A 10-6 PUSH!
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JuTMSY4Legend
902 days ago
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uh yeah, you've got the AFC central, Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Cinci are not easy games either...considering the any given sunday factor its plausible for the pats to lose 8 games and looking at each loss individually (Say, Pitt, Balt, Cinc, Phi, SD, NYG, NYJ, IND) the pats could lose to any of those teams and that doesn't include dallas or a miami game...yes, all of those teams can beat the pats... Then again, you can say this about a lot of teams...overall, they play 8 playoff teams (not including the jets twice)...
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False ProphetAll-Star
902 days ago
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yeah, but to lose back to back to playoff contenders would be unlike the Pats. I see a loss between weeks 1-2,6-7, a loss from 8-12 (Probably WSH, the Pats always lose, or come close to losing some weird game), and a loss to either NYG or BAL, depending on their playoff situation. I'll add another loss to a team that is overlooked now, but ends up in contention, or if WSH can become a contender. I'll say 9-7 at the lowest, and a realistic 11-5.
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JuTMSY4Legend
902 days ago
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11-5 is never realistic...I'm just telling you thats a lot of teams that are good...not saying they won't beat quite a few, but there's a lot of good teams right there...and pittsburgh too, another tough game...
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I am a cpcpMajor Leaguer
901 days ago
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Looking at that schedule I agree with Manny's 9-7.
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JuTMSY4Legend
902 days ago
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Is it worth me arguing...

Let's see

First, no offense, but the pats writer's you sited were A) a patriots.com writer...he's not biased at all, B) a beat writer/blogger for the herald, which in my 4 years of living in boston means that not only have I never heard of him, but that he WRITES FOR THE HERALD!!! C) and Pasquarelli just can't be trusted - as in he's been known to write glowing reviews by virtue of having connections with certain agents (Read: Drew Rosenhaus among others). But nevermind that...

I agree, Ellis Hobbs, IMO is better than Samuel, I watch enough pats games to be able to tell you that...But Eugene Wilson will be the starting safety, lots of college CBs move to safety and usually can't play NFL corner, wilson may be one of those...

No way you get 2 first day picks for Samuel...belichick knows this, Samuel Knows this and 29 other front offices know this...at most you'll see a 2nd round pick...the branch trade was made for more than 1 reason, and you'll note that the seahawks gave up a late 1st rounder...which for all intents and purposes, wasn't worth all that much this year (but considering that the pats parlayed it into a decent pick next year, it may be worth something)...you don't think the seahawks gambled a little but knew the pick wasn't much more than a 2nd round pick talent wise...

Stallworth isn't a lock...its all based on his health...the eagles weren't willing to take the risk, the pats were, but look at his contract, its designed that way for a reason...

Kyle Brady is an engima, he used to be dynamite in New York, but really wasn't worth the 6th pick (i think) it cost to get him...I'm not positive of the TE situation, but He'll be number 2 I think *(Didn't Watson leave?)

Pre-season will decide the fate of the receivers, but I'm sticking to my gut on Caldwell not returning, Gaffney may not get any love either, but the patriots aren't know for dishing out love...I see it as Moss, Stallworth, Welker, Washington & Brown/Gaffney, with childress on the Practice squad and Chad Jackson on IR...

For the record, Randy moss's agent is who?!
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False ProphetAll-Star
902 days ago
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No, Watson is returning, and Garrett Mills will be No. 2. Washington's looked like crap so far this offseason. Samuel will demand 2 draft picks, and one will be a first rounder. The second one depends on when the trade happens, and to who it happens. Patriots.com writers don't always dish out complements to the Pats. And Pasquerelli writes for ESPN.com, so it makes it more authentic. You can't get unbiased media reporting on Mini camp. It's pretty much closed off to the public and to the media, baring a few exceptions. Elis Hobbs's benifit is he's still young. THis is his third season, and he's all ready a decent starter. Samuel is a great CB, but he's not a vital part of the Defense. With Rodney Harrison having Meriweather to back him up likely, the Safetys should improve, meaning the pass rush will be strong. Kyle Brady isn't going to be a starter or a star. But he'll be one of those guys that when you forget about him, will pull some sick move and score a crucial TD. That's his value. A guy who will capitalize on a rare chance to play. That's all I expect from him. As far as Stallworth goes, if he's healthy, he's on the team. Jackson ends up on IR, regardless of a potential comback. He's not needed, but he's valued enough to stay on the team. Every report I've read says that Gaffeny looks to be the 4th guy right now, and Washington is trying to fight his way off the roster.
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JuTMSY4Legend
902 days ago
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Kool-aid...everything is peachy in pats land right now...I read dave spadaro, I know the value of "insider" info via the teams webpage and its total bull... Pasquarelli has being doing this for a long time, if the agent gives him some love, he'll give it back in the form of good press...
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False ProphetAll-Star
902 days ago
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I wouldn't say that...Maroney's still recovering from shoulder surgery, and if he goes down, the team loses every game he doesn't start. Sammy Morris is also hurt. RB's are banged up, and that concerns me. I also have a bit of worry about how deep the Oline is. Beyond that, things are good. Keep in mind that the Pats were 4 points away from the 4th ring. Brady places the pass better...Harrison plays...Bug Eyes doesn't drop the pass... Any one of those likely would have done it. Oh yeah, or if the defense didn't have the flu. They were so tired by the end of the game. Addai scored the GW TD on a 4th and Goal from the 9 practically untouched. They were damn close last year, and made big upgrades over the offseason.
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JuTMSY4Legend
902 days ago
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yeah, so were the eagles in 2004...and look where that got us...
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False ProphetAll-Star
902 days ago
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But the Eagles were entering Year 2 with TO. We're in year 1 with Moss
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JuTMSY4Legend
902 days ago
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i mean, they missed a ring by 4 points...and btw, they also had to beat the bears, and to say they would have beaten them hands down sounds unfair...if they would have, why bother playing this season...
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False ProphetAll-Star
902 days ago
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so long as they kept Hester Relatively quite, I'd say it would've pretty much be a lock.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
902 days ago
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BELLICHICK IS A PIECE OF SHIT
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JuTMSY4Legend
902 days ago
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If you're going to "rip" Bill Belichick, at least spell his name right...
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
902 days ago
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Bill BeLichick has burrito armpits. False Prophet wants to sniff them.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
902 days ago
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I'm not picky - as long as they spell the cuss words right
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JuTMSY4Legend
902 days ago
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I don't even know what burrito armpits are...
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I am a cpcpMajor Leaguer
901 days ago
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I think it's something like a calzone ankle...
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Willf123JV Squad
902 days ago
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In mini-camp Chad Scott was seeing most of the reps at CB opposite Ellis Hobbs.
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False ProphetAll-Star
902 days ago
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that's the likely outcome, but Meriweather and Wilson might end up opposite Hobbs
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
902 days ago
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Randy Ratio in New England? This could be fun...
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
902 days ago
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This is just the boasting of a fan. Asante Samuel ahs the leverage, not the Patriots. Samuel isn't as good as he thinks he is and the Pats, and the rest of the league know this. If a team had to give up 2 draft picks for him, they would just sign him and deal with the consequences. Maybe the Pats do get 2 picks for Samuel. God knows the Falcons proved with Peerless Price that someone is always a sucker. However, I imagine that if they do get 2 picks it will be something like a 2nd and a 5th. The Patriots offense got better with the additions at WR, however, I don't think I am ready to just sign away the AFC East just yet.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
902 days ago
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Most hated team? Patriots or Colts?
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JuTMSY4Legend
902 days ago
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braveo MJD...when will FP land, not all is right in pats land and more importantly, everyone knows Samuel is good at best...do you know what 10 picks in a season means...it means he took 10 chances and got lucky...I've seen samuel get burnt many a time...
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False ProphetAll-Star
902 days ago
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Vegas is. They won't even give you even odds on the Pats to win the AFC East
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False ProphetAll-Star
902 days ago
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And appearantly America is. They say the Pats have the best offense (86%) and Defense (63%) in the division. Last time I checked, The Best Offense + The Best Defense=Best team in the Division.
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JuTMSY4Legend
902 days ago
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i'd probably sign away the division...only the jets have a shot
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PeanMajor Leaguer
902 days ago
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im not voting for this solely based on the pompous title
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False ProphetAll-Star
902 days ago
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BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
902 days ago
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FP - Why the love affair with the Patriots? Why not the Vikings? I gotta hear this. Is it because Mike Tice was fired? The Love Boat saga? Randy Moss leaving town? Why, why, why?
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False ProphetAll-Star
902 days ago
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No, My hatred for the Purple started before all of those. I didn't like them at all when I was young, probably because I spent a lot of time around Packers fans when I was young. A lot of My dad's co-workers were Packers fans, and they influenced me in my younger years. Then came the historic 1998 season. I thought that Culpepper with Carter and Moss was awsome. They were fun to watch. Then comes the playoffs, when they lost to ATL. To quote Dan Barreiro "That 98 season probably made Agnostic Vikings Fans Atheist, and God believing Fans Agnostic..." or something to that effect
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JuTMSY4Legend
902 days ago
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I was thinking more along the lines of Gary Anderson, but we all have our reasons I suppose If disappointment is your reason they I've lot a ton of respect for all minnesota fans...philly fans have survived 25 years without a championship and 47 years without a football trophy of any kind...if Minnesota can't handle 1998, they those fans are pathetic...
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False ProphetAll-Star
902 days ago
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no, it's what killed my possible fanship. I wasn't hot on them ever, and that pushed me over the edge
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JuTMSY4Legend
902 days ago
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Theres a lot of reasons not to like a team, but because they lost a game they were supposed to win ain't one of them...welcome to life...check in at 8...
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False ProphetAll-Star
902 days ago
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which is yet another reason I hate the Purple. They bitch about everything. Seriously. It sucks
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JuTMSY4Legend
902 days ago
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Have you ever been to Boston and/or Foxboro?
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False ProphetAll-Star
902 days ago
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No. I can't imagine it being worse. Vikings fans bitch about everything when they lose, and bitch even more when the win
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JuTMSY4Legend
902 days ago
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So, you've never been to boston/foxboro...hmm, then you dont know... To be honest though, philly's the same way...we'll bitch until we win the whole thing....
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False ProphetAll-Star
902 days ago
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that won't stop vikings fans. They can't stop bitching about their team
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
902 days ago
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So lemme get this straight. You hate the Vikings. Fair enough I suppose. But you are predicting for a Patriots Super Bowl win (in June?) largely because they added Randy Moss a former Viking and one of the players that let you down nearly 10 years ago in a playoff loss to Atlanta? That my friends, is quite the circle jerk.
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False ProphetAll-Star
902 days ago
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It's sad but true
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
902 days ago
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I think it's sort of funny how most people are already proclaiming New England as this years super bowl winner. First of all this is still early in the off-season (training camp hasn't even started) Injuries do happen. What if the Golden boy (Tom Brady), Laurence Maroney, Donte' Stallworth or Rodney Harrison gets injured?

Secondly will Randy Moss be a model citizen (I don't want to hear the argument on how he hasn't played on a good team because he was on Minnesota team when they went to the NFC Conference champion game against New York and quit/played when he wanted to in that game.) Will Randy Moss cause problems or play hard (the whole game) if he only catches 3-4 balls per game.

Third the defense might not be as good this year? Yes they added Adalius Thomas and Tory James but both inside starting LB are playing their 11-12 years in the league and their play was good last year but their level play is declining. You don't know for sure if any player is going to be able to step up at the CB and play very well.

Finally you don't know much the other teams have improved until you see them play. Teams draft players that may take 2-3 years to develop before they have a breakout season and play very well.
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False ProphetAll-Star
902 days ago
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read the article and the above comments. It addresses all of your concerns. Who cares if it's June? The Pats bandwagon is in full effect!!!! Hop on, and ride it to Glendale for the 4th ring
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JuTMSY4Legend
902 days ago
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dare i suggests a patriots will in the big game challenge?
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False ProphetAll-Star
902 days ago
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not quite yet. If something drastic happens between now and September, The Bandwagon might come to an early ending
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JuTMSY4Legend
902 days ago
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you mean like reality?
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False ProphetAll-Star
902 days ago
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no like a season ending injury to Brady or Maroney or Thomas or Hobbs, for example
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JuTMSY4Legend
902 days ago
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If your team can't handle injuries, then its already done...the key to any team is depth and I know the pats have if but you're counting your chickens...

and the point about the LB corp is completely true...my roomate, a preverbial boston sports guru has been saying this since bruschi stroked out...Thomas is a good addition, but he's an OLB...

and yes the running back position is not looking that good, but then again, that's more dependent on the line than the RB itself...

THe only ?, that I have confidence in is CB, because i've seen the pats change those guys around so much...

FP, you can blindly follow the pats (even though you've never been to boston), but just know, this team isn't perfect...
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
902 days ago
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Looking forward to Randy Moss' first sulk at not getting the football on 1 & 10. I'm guessing the third quarter in Game#1.
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False ProphetAll-Star
901 days ago
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I'd bet my life that if the Colts lost Peyton, they'd fall out of contention. I'd say the same thing about LT for San Diego. I worry about Hobbs because it then becomes a challenge to fill that starting spot at CB. I suppose Maroney wouldn't be determental if it was late in the season, it'd just mean they'd have to run a 2 back formation on every play, and have Morris run between the tackles, and Faulk do the speed running. Not sure how well that'd work, but at the very least it'd be extremely interesting to watch at first
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JuTMSY4Legend
901 days ago
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Foolish...

Maybe the Colts, but i'd "bet my life" almost any team that loses it's QB will stuggled...its a not brainer...

I think you might be wrong about LT, the chargers would still be a playoff team with Michael Turner, IMO...

The pats need maroney...I really don't think they can survive on just faulk, with people knowing who they are, how good they are and basically being a walking bull's eye..not to mention the 9 playoff teams the face or the 12 legitimately good teams...
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False ProphetAll-Star
901 days ago
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wildcard team that loses there first playoff game. Probably a 6 seed. Nothing to brag about. That's optimistic for the Chargers without LT. Maybe I overdid it, but granted, the point's valid
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JuTMSY4Legend
901 days ago
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I'm voting for this article so other people will agree with me...
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
901 days ago
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Isn't about time for media darling and model dating extraordinaire Tom Brady to go down with Joe Theismann like injury? Could someone please sign LT for this assignment already?
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JuTMSY4Legend
901 days ago
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Here's the reason Brady doesn't play well this season Gisele
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
901 days ago
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And a raging case of herpes.
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Willf123JV Squad
901 days ago
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With the exception of a rare talent like Champ Bailey NFL rules have reduced the importance of the position and teams are not ready to pony up big bucks for it. You cant even breathe or look angerly in the direction of the other guy in coverage. So many pass inteference penalties that have changed the outcomes of games.
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