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Is the Hall what it used to be?

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by Stix11


When I was a kid, I remember that the Hall of Fame was the ultimate goal. You would spend fifteen years of your life, flying around the country putting your skills on the line against the very best in the world. At the end of it all, only one thing mattered, were you considered one of the best?

Back then, there were certain "shoe in stats" that would make you a guaranteed Famer. For instance, 300 wins, or 500 home runs. But is it still that way? With the recent jump in power hitting, is 500 home runs as big of an accomplishment as it used to be? The players today play in 162 games a year, and face saturated pitching in home run heaven ballparks like Minute Maid. It is still a big deal to hit a long ball, but now that every game seems to be the host of a Home Run Derby, is the Hall of Fame still guaranteed for the "500 Club"?

Not only do you have steroids to blame for the spike in the long balls, but you also have guys like David Ortiz, and Jim Thome. People like Frank Thomas and Mike Piazza, who should have retired, but thanks to the DH, can play another five years because they don't have to play a position. That brings up an interesting topic itself . . .

Should a career DH be allowed into the Hall of Fame?

When I think about this question, I immediately answer with, why should a guy who only played half the game be put in a place of honor with men who mastered both sides of the game. Guys like Willy Mays and Ted Williams. But when you step back and look at it, if you say no to that answer, then all of the pitchers who spent the majority of their careers in the American League would be out. So now, guys like Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, Miriano Rivera, have a chance of not making it in, because they only played half the game.

On another note, there are guys that did play both offense and defense, but were only known because of one or the other. Ozzie Smith was, arguably, the best shortstop of all time, but one clutch World Series home run does not a Hall of Fame hitter make. So, the question remains, is the Hall of Fame becoming saturated with guys that don't really deserve to be there? Should they steepen the qualifications one must achieve for entrance? I don't know about you, but if Albert Belle makes it in to the Hall, I will boycott the ballot


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DonatevoMajor Leaguer
782 days ago
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I could be crazy, but I think if you hit 500 home runs, you're in.
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KelsdadAll-Star
782 days ago
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If, in any eligible year, a player receives less than five percent of the votes cast, he is permanently removed from the ballot and remains inelgible for consideration until he attains eligibility for the Veteran's Committee ballot. As you can see here, Albert Belle is no longer eligible.

I couldn't agree with you more, Stix. Under no circumstances should a DH receive consideration, although one, Paul Molitor, has been elected. Jim Thome, while he has spent more time in the field than at DH and who has reached the 500 homer mark is not a HOFer. He qualifies in your first argument of taking advantage of the era, and while no fault of his own, still doesn't make him a better player. Frank Thomas, on the other hand, has played primarily as a DH for the majority of his career and should not receive consideration regardless of where he ends up stats wise. Same, too for Harold Baines, who received 5.3% of the ballots last year in likely his final season on the ballot.

Shortstop is arguably the most important defensive position on the field, and throughout history is considered a defensive position. What Alex Rodriguez and Cal Ripken Jr and some others have done offensively, despite their impressiveness, is still considered an exception to the rule. I do consider Ozzie a Hall of Famer, I do not consider Omar Vizquel to be one, however.
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IbeargRed-Shirting
782 days ago
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denying a player entry into the hall of fame based on being a dh is essentially denying the guy played the game. If we can except that a ss can get in based on defensive prowess rather then hitting skills then we're excepting the fact that different positions have different standards. DH is simply a different position. Thus players should not be voted in at DH because they compiled a certain set of numbers, say 500 hr's, but because they were one of the top 2-3 DH's of their generation. Even as a yankee fan if Ortiz continues his current pace for another say 5 years then he'd be arguably the best DH in the league for 10 years. Being the best player at another position for an extended period of time (i'll say 10+ years) generally gets you in the hall of fame, why should DH be different?
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Steel TownDraft Pick
782 days ago
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I think if you are one of the best at your position then you should be in the hall of fame. Whether it be DH or RF or 2B (See Mazaroski below).
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TylersaltAll-Star
782 days ago
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Not voting for a DH is just punishing him for playing in the American League. You think that David Ortiz or Travis Hafner wouldn't have a job if they played in the NL? You can't punish fantastic players for being in a position to take advantage of THE RULES OF THE GAME! The DH isn't going anywhere, and to punish players for playing the position for most of their careers is ridiculous. It's like saying relievers shouldn't be in the HOF because they don't pitch enough innings.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
782 days ago
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I feel as though the Hall of Fame was diluted before the epoch of the homerun. Frank Chance? Ray Schalk? Johnny Evers? Bill Mazeroski? Herb Pennock? When I think of the best all-time, these names don't come to mind.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
782 days ago
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I wrote on my blog about Ray Schalk not being worthy of the Hall of a Fame and a family member really blasted me but I still feel he was not worthy with his stats.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
782 days ago
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Albert Belle played only 12 years which really hurt his chances since he had to retire at 34. Having only 1726 hits really hurt him although he had 381 homers and 1239 RBI's in those 12 years...so can understand why he got so few votes.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
782 days ago
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yeah...frank thomas doesn't deserve to be in the hall because he played DH the last ten years. so stupid. did you forget the 90s. the 90s were about Bonds, Griffey and Thomas! he was the best right handed hitter. he hit for average, hit for power and played first base the majority of the time! a 10 year period where you dominated your position, and won two MVPs back to back - which is a rare thing will is more than enough to get in the hall. and don't forget he lost the 2000 MVP to that user Jason Giambi, by a few votes. almost 3 MVPs!...and icing on the cake, that ridicolous 2006 season, carrying the A's to the playoffs and the ALCS at 39! - with a poor hitting team. add that the silver sluggers, all star appearances, two Comeback Awards in 2000, 2006, being the best White Sox ever, and having a cool name...this guy deserves it. more to prove that you don't need to use to be a great player. you can tell, his average dropped over the years, and he didn't try to enhance them with steroids, and he basically asked to be tested to prove a point!
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
782 days ago
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there is a reason why the AL is a better league. they have the DH to hit, not some weak hitting pitcher. face it, the AL is entertaining, so no need to punish them for it. even if he had played the majority of his career at first base, his defense is not what mad e him a great player...he played first base for christ sake...not the hardest position to play at all, probably the easiest one to play. the AL gets better rating too, and i have no doubt the DH has something to do with it. low scoring games can be real boring to the average fan!
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
782 days ago
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Hey, why not register and log in?
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
781 days ago
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The biggest argument is that you can't keep a guy from the Hall because of a position. Dennis Eckersly only played one inning at a time and I don't think ever swung a bat, but you can't argue his eligibility
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