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Is Craig Biggio Really a Hall of Famer?

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by user Tyduffy

Craig Biggio pretty much locked up his hall of fame nomination yesterday, with an impressive 5 hit effort that brough his hit total to that magical number of 3,000. The number alone, whatever its actual significance, will assure him entry, but is Biggio really one of the game's all-time greats?

The first place to start is the numbers. At the peak of his career from 1993-1999, Biggio was arguably the best 2B in the game (Roberto Alomar not withstanding). In this period on average, he could generally be counted on to hit about .300, have about a .400 OBP, hit 15-20 HR, drive in 70-80 runs, and steal 30-40 baseas. In those seven seasons, it was clear that he was a very very good player.

In this century, he changed as a player. His power numbers actually increased, three straight 20+ HR seasons from 2004-2006, but his batting average, on base percentage, and speed declined sharply. During the last two seasons, he appears to have been only hanging on to get the record, as he dropped to 10th among NL 2nd Basemen in OPS in 2006 and is currently 11th in 2007. His most notewoth statistic, besides the hits, is the number of times he stepped into was hit by a pitch.

As Jayon Stark mentions in his ESPN article, it's "not the numbers" that put Biggio in the Hall of Fame. His candidacy rests on a number of intangibles. He played twenty years for the same franchise in Houston, never filing for free agency. He played three different difficult defensive positions (C, 2B, CF). His white skin and pleasant demeanor have not hurt his reputation as a scrappy team leader type player.

Though Stark intends to portray Biggio as one of the all-time greats, he also unintentionally portrays the argument against him. The only argument that he comes up with for Biggio's inclusion in the Hall of Fame is his 3,000 hits and those who are not on that list. He compares him to other second basemen, most notably Joe Morgan who doesn't have 3,000 hits, but would anybody seriously consider Biggio the superior hitter? (Or for that matter do his hits put him ahead of Mantle, Ruth, and Williams who did not have 3,000 hits?) Besides that number and him being a good guy, there doesn't appear to be much of an argument for his inclusion to the Hall of Fame.

Another argument is that Biggio's true significance is underappreciated because he doesn't play for the Yankees. It is a fair point. If he had played for the Yankees, he probably would have been a much bigger star. But, then again, if he had played for the Yankees he probably would not have been allowed to stay in the every day lineup when he was far past his prime, at a detriment to his team, to chase 3,000 hits.

He also never won a World Series, appearing in only one in 2005, in which he was far past his prime and a peripheral figure, at least numbers-wise, in the team's success. If his greatness is "not in the numbers" where has it manifested itself?

The argument is moot. Unless a huge steroids scandal comes out in the next five years, Biggio will probably be voted first ballot into the Hall of Fame. He was an all-star caliber player for a number of years. He was a great ambassador for the game. If viewed as a career Second Basemen, his offensive production was stellar. However, throw in a couple of hypotheticals. If he retires in 2005 (his last effective season) over 200 hits short of 3,000, does he get into the Hall of Fame. If he was black and complained about his contract, does he get into the Hall of Fame? If he changed teams does he get into the Hall of Fame?

He probably still gets in under those circumstances, but with nowhere near the fanfare and probably not on the first ballot. Biggio was a very good player for a number of years. He should be in the Hall of Fame, but on the Winfield or Molitor level not the Ruth one. To call him "among the best there ever was" is a crock.

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KelsdadAll-Star
887 days ago
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Considering I don't necessarily believe Molitor's a Hall of Famer, then no, he's not.
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EkomVarsity
887 days ago
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Wow... I was LONG on the anti-biggio bandwagon, but... as long as they compare him to 2nd basemen, he's a lock. When you consider he was a catcher, he is a lock, when you consider he was a CFer, not so much... when you consider all three, eeeeeehhhh....

BUT, he put the career together, he was a doubles machine and he accumulated them all with sheer will and effort.

Yes, the Hall of Fame should be exclusive, BUT as much as it pains me to say it, he's better than a LOT of dudes already in...

Congrats to Craig Biggio, it's not just 3,000, or the fact that he hung on to get it... as much as it makes me want to punch myself, he's a HoFer...

Besides, Kelsdad, this guy (as a 2nd baseman) is the barometer to keeping Roberto Alomar OUT of the HoF!!!
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EkomVarsity
887 days ago
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and it's FITTING that he was thrown out on #3,000
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KelsdadAll-Star
887 days ago
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Replace "Craig Biggio" in the title with "Frank Thomas" and you'd really have a discussion then. (Biggio is more a HOFer than Thomas)
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EkomVarsity
887 days ago
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Oh, hell yeah!
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EkomVarsity
887 days ago
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No one is calling Biggio a first ballot guy by any means! (is Thomas???)
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KelsdadAll-Star
887 days ago
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I don't see a comparison between Biggio and Alomar. Biggio's tenure as a second baseman was roughly 40% of his career. And defensively, Biggio was OK.
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EkomVarsity
887 days ago
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Wait. Are you defending the Mad Spatter? i hear you Biggio was never "special" for ANY season, but put it ALL together and you can't deny him... even if he was a pine-tarred, dirty slob for most of his career....
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DNLLegend
887 days ago
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Games by position to date:
  • 2B -- 1927
  • C -- 427
  • CF -- 216
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EkomVarsity
887 days ago
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seriously? I thought it was a closer gap.... he's a 2B!

How many players have more games played? 23rd all time? WOW.

Only Raffy Palmiero, Harold Baines and Rusty Staub (Craig's in that class of player) have more games played and are NOT in the Hall of Fame... Maybe Biggio IS the best player not worthy of HoF!!!

Tough call... Everytime I convince myself he's worthy, I realize maybe he isn't!

Goose Gossage BETTER get in before Biggio, I know THAT much!
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DNLLegend
887 days ago
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I think the numbers put him in. He's 6th all-time in doubles and will probably finish the year in 5th, behind Tris Speaker, Pete Rose, Ty Cobb, and Stan Musial, and he'll be passing George Brett. Forget the fact that he played CF and C (which basically counter each other out), and what you have is a great hitting 2B -- top 5 all time, easily.
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EkomVarsity
887 days ago
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here's the slippery slope part - call Biggio a 2B and then you set precendence for ... dun, dun, dunnnnnnn.... 2B Jeff Kent BBWA's have such an easy job, eh?
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EkomVarsity
887 days ago
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BBWAA
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DNLLegend
887 days ago
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How is he not a 2B? Because he played a season-and-a-half at CF? The fact that he's started at catcher for 3 years is, if anything, a plus, not a minus.
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EkomVarsity
887 days ago
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OK, he's a 2b (had NO idea it was that defined), but was he ever a "dominant" one or a 2B/C/CF out of convenience and longevity? Ehhhh....
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KelsdadAll-Star
887 days ago
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Thanks Dan. Like I said, 3000 hits is a lock HOFer, especially when he's the 9th player to reach that total all with the same team. His lack of postseason play isn't a factor for me. His lack of a batting title or a half dozen 200 hit seasons is.
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KelsdadAll-Star
887 days ago
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Thats the problem, Ekom (nice aka, by the way). And everybody is guilty of this, except me. You don't compare Kent to Biggio, you compare him to every other second baseman in the Hall. Kent sucks, when it comes time for voting, he'll be off the ballot the first year, and no, Thomas is not a first ballot.
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EkomVarsity
887 days ago
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if you don't consider Kent than you CAN'T consider Biggio! Kent won an MVP and has 70 HRs and 300 RBIs in 3000 less ABs... THREE THOUSAND
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EkomVarsity
887 days ago
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Oh, and a higher lifetime AVG than Biggio
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EkomVarsity
887 days ago
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of course... Biggio has won a Clemente and Branch Rickey award (Jeff Kent has the lifetime A-Hole award - and lamest lie award (to cover up a stupid motorcycle injury)
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WizardmanRed-Shirting
887 days ago
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As a second baseman, since there's no standout in the position, tht basically means of course he's a hall of famer.
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TyduffyRed-Shirting
887 days ago
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Alomar was a far superior player to Biggio. He tailed off at the end, but he was the best 2nd basement in baseball for about 12 years. I think that warrants entry. Ten Gold Gloves. 8 times over 30 stolen bases. He hit 300 nine times. He went over .400 OBP five times. Had he retired instead of going to the Mets he would have been first ballot.

Its possible to put him top 5 all-time. I don't think that its easily though. Nap Lajoie, Hornsby, Joe Morgan, and Eddie Collins are definitely ahead of him. I would put Alomar ahead of him, and Ryno.

How can you seriously argue that Big Hurt isn't a Hall of Fame Player. Career .303 hitter .423 OBP .985 OPS 500HR (without any steriod suspicion). Were it not for injuries he probably has 600. Give me a break the guy is a shoo-in.
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KelsdadAll-Star
887 days ago
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How many hits, homers, RBI's does he have without the DH?
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
887 days ago
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Rob Neyer points out in a column today that Biggio's case is completely about stats - Biggio is one of the top six or seven 2Bs of all-time, statistically speaking. He has the third most hits and HRs of any 2B. Here's the link, I think it's insider-only: http://insid...p;id=2917659 Frank Thomas is a no-doubt HOFer, Robbie Alomar is in, and I'm not sure about Jeff Kent...
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EkomVarsity
887 days ago
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yeah, but is a top 6 or 7 2nd baseman All time better than a fringe HoFer at a stacked position like Jim Rice, Bert Blyleven or Fred McGriff?
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
887 days ago
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How do you define "stacked" position? If the outfielders in the Hall have better hitting stats than the second basemen in the Hall, that means it is much tougher to play second base defensively, so there are fewer great hitters at the position. You really have to compare players just to others at their position, because the defensive standard for each position is so much different.
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KelsdadAll-Star
887 days ago
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Its not just about offense. And second base is primarily a defense position, so voting criteria should focus on defense first, offense second. To me, Kent's offensive numbers shouldn't weigh as heavily, and he is a god-awful defensive player. And if there is a choice to be made, both in or both out, then I vote both out.
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EkomVarsity
887 days ago
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OK, so what you're saying is Mazeroski DESERVES to be in! And if Manny Trillo would have had another ring or two, he's a lock...??

but I'm NOT arguing with you, KD... neither one makes MY Hall of Famous ...for a LOOOOOOONG time!

Is Scott Rolen an eventual HoF 3B? Another WEAK HoF position that makes it easy to argue today's players into? What about Pudge? The existing HoF catchers set a low bar for today's players... hell, Lance Parrish is almost a HoFer when you compare him to existing members...

A couple years ago, I set off a major fracturing of my sports-loving clique when I said "there are as many HOFers playing now (90's-00's) as there were in the two previous decades (70's & 80's)"...

Clearly, the 70's and 80's were GREAT baseball that will forever be overlooked.
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
887 days ago
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What? That doesn't make sense. Most of a player's value comes from what he does offensively, mainly while hitting. This is more true for first basemen and outfielders than it is for people who play tougher defensive positions, but when evaluating any position player, you have to look at their hitting first.
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KelsdadAll-Star
887 days ago
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For a five or six year span in the late seventies, early eighties, Jim Rice was the best player in baseball, or damn close to it. At no time in their careers could you say the same thing about Murphy or McGriff, which is why Rice should be in, and the other two should be out.
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EkomVarsity
887 days ago
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WHAT? Dale Murphy was the best player in baseball over the span of 4 seasons (late '81, all of 82-83 and most of '84)! Now, he's not a Hall of Famer anymore than Ted Kluzsewski, but I would vote McGriff in before Rice (and I would put them both in, just McGriff first on numbers and the fact he led BOTH leagues in HRs and of course, personality)
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KelsdadAll-Star
887 days ago
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Remember when Mazeroski went in? The Hall of Famers boycotted the ceremonies, I think only 15 or 16 showed up. There's your answer to that question.

Forget Lance Parrish, what about Ted Simmons?

The point is, offensive numbers are easier to reach these days, steriods or not. Put Hank Aaron in today's game with the pitching as bad as it is and a strike zone the size of a fly's ass, he'd have 4500 hits and 900 homers. There is no convincing me today's players are cumulatively better than they were before.

Frank Thomas, 1164 career games as a DH, 917 as a first baseman. Sorry, no Hall of Fame for fat Frank. Being a DH is as much cheating as steriods, or Tommy John surgery, right, Manny?

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EkomVarsity
887 days ago
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numbers don't translate across eras, but greatness does.

It's a pretty clear who is great and who wasn't... it's the O!F factor if anything... and I'm a PROPONENT of the DH, remember?

As for "There is no convincing me today's players are cumulatively better than they were before."

I agree, KD, but there is no convincing me today's players are "worse" - there's just more of them (just like there's more people EVERYWHERE)... The more things change, the more they stay the same...

apples and oranges are still both fruit from trees, but that's what eras are... similar but different!
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KelsdadAll-Star
887 days ago
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When you met Fred McGriff, did you follow him around with a roll of toilet paper?
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EkomVarsity
887 days ago
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both times I met him, I WAS his toilet paper... =) Seriously, you will NOT meet a cooler, nicer, more genuine person on this planet than Fred McGriff...
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KelsdadAll-Star
887 days ago
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Sorry, but there is no O!F in Fred McGriff.
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TyduffyRed-Shirting
887 days ago
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Kelsdad, you can't just spout these maxims without backing them up.

Why does getting 3,000 hits make one a lock Hall of Famer? You get that many hits by sticking around forever (often past your expiration date like Biggio) rather than by being a great player. You also have to have someone pitch to you to get that many hits. Rose didn't get so many hits because he was the best hitter on the team. He got those hits because they pitched to him to try to get him out because he had Morgan and Bench hitting behind him.

Why should being a DH disqualify someone? It is a legal position. How would him hobbling around at first base for his whole career make him a hall of famer?
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EkomVarsity
887 days ago
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Woe... Rose was as good or better hitter than Morgan and Bench. 3,000 might happen by sticking around, but not 4,000. Don't under estimate how much the dude changed the game just because he was a scumbag.
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KelsdadAll-Star
887 days ago
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Frank Thomas' career would have been over six years ago without the DH, he wouldn't have been "hobbling" around at first base. On his best day, he was a horrible defensive player. I get crap about this all the time and I'm used to it, but when there's nine players on the field in 105' heat or when its raining, and the DH is in the clubhouse watching the freekin' game on TV sipping a Coke there is something wrong. What maxim, sport?
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
886 days ago
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re: Ekom:

Pete Rose career OPS: .784 Johnny Bench career OPS: .818 Joe Morgan career OPS: .819

Rose got lots of hits, but Bench had a lot more power and Morgan was an OBP machine. Plus they both played tougher defensive positions as well.
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KelsdadAll-Star
887 days ago
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The only way Pete Rose changed the game is when he had money on it.
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UdontknowchitTee-Baller
886 days ago
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Biggio is easily a Hall of Famer. He represents what is good about Baseball. He gives it his all every day, gets dirty and isn't afraid to take one for the team. He's not selfish like the majority of these players are.

For you to say he never had a special year is ridiculous. He won 4 gold gloves and played in 7 all star games.

He's had a great career and will be in on the first ballot.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
886 days ago
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Just who exactly DOES qualify as a baseball HOFer these days?
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DoubledeeWaterboy
886 days ago
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Tyrone, I don't know what qualifies as a baseball hall of famer but Biggio is one sweet hunk of ass. I hit on him YEARS ago. Let's just say he likes DD's. Damn, Mrs. Biggio is one lucky lady. That guy gets all his hitting power straight from his butt- amazing talent this guy has! (and not all at baseball)
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TyduffyRed-Shirting
886 days ago
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Udon'tknowchit - All of that is true, but why does that make him a Hall of Famer. Everyone loves Sean Casey as well. Does that make Casey a HOFer too? The notion that he was as good a hitter as Morgan or Bench is quite simply laughable.
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DoubledeeWaterboy
886 days ago
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Duffy, You don't think Biggio deserves to be in the hall of fame??? Why with an ass like his that should be enough to qualify. If hitting 3000 doesn't deserve hall of fame than what does?? Shooting up 'roids and being like Bonds???
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Niteowl049AAA-er
886 days ago
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If Biggio doesn't get into Hall of Fame they should turn it into a parking garage. He surely belongs there more than Bill Mazeroski even though Maz was a great fielder.
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TyduffyRed-Shirting
886 days ago
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Agreed about Mazeroski, career .299 OBP should not get one into the hall of fame.

I never said that Biggio should not be in the Hall of Fame. Go up and read the last sentence in the article. What I said was that the fact that all of the arguments for him being a "great" player are intangible they don't have anything to do with what he did on the field.

3,000 hits is certainly an accomplishment, but most of the best hitters in the history of the game do not have 3,000 hits. They would never get pitches to hit. Most 3,000 hitters got opportunities because they had protection (often with better hitters) hitting behind him?

Furthermore, what evidence do we have that Biggio did not do Steroids? He had a power surge (by his standards) at the end of his career. We know that Caminiti did them while he played there. Bagwell has been under speculation as well. Even you making that argument proves my point that his candidacy rests upon the fact that he is viewed as an Anti-Bonds, or more specifically a scrappy white guy and a leader who got where he was by effort over what is perceived in Black players to be "natural" talent.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
883 days ago
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everyone who somehow spins biggio's longevity into a negative needs to stop playing the hater. "BUT he had longer to collect his stats ..." And why isn't that an achievement in itself? Didn't every MLBer start their career with the same opportunity to play for a long time in the same productive manner? While some had their careers ended by horrible luck (e.g., Clemente), the vast bulk had their careers end due to wear and tear, injury, and the inability to play at a professional-level beyond a few seasons. As compared to the bulk of players falling into this category, Biggio has done something phenomenal in his staying healthy and constantly producing despite putting himself out there on every play (you certainly can't say he's held back between being beaned, stretching singles into doubles, playing catcher (throwing out runners), playing 2nd base (turning double plays), etc.). He's had just as much opportunity as anyone to have had his career cut down by injury and pure wear and tear (what frightens me is that many of you will be the same people that laud Clemens or the former Braves trifecta of pitchers for their durability and longevity - if it works in their favor, it should certainly benefit Biggio too). When all is said and done, his cumulative stats can't be denied, and even if you resort to averages in an attempt to "argue him out" of the HoF, while he becomes a weaker candidate relative to his cumulative stats, his numbers are still better than a number of current HoFers. Heck, if all you care about is All-Star play with no regard for duration of that play, I'd propose Shane Spencer be nominated for the HoF for that one September he had in the late 90s where he was hitting home runs over a few weeks at a clip (hr/at bat) better than virtually anyone who had played the game. Duration and consistency have to count for something.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
883 days ago
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I suspect the real reason Biggio is getting ripped on a number of boards has less to do with anything he's done (or not done) and more to do with "dislike by association," that is, the general disregard/apathy for all things Houston. On top of being a less-than-successful sports town, it has to have some of the worst PR in the world ... ask the average American outside of Texas to name the 5 largest cities in the US by population, and I would be willing to bet he doesn't name Houston (it's the 4th largest) ... ask the average basketball fan outside of Texas to name the best centers to have played in the NBA and you'll likely hear names like Patrick Ewing, David Robinson or Shaq much more than the name of a man who dominated all of the aforementioned (Olajuwon) ... I cringe in realizing how much of our evaluation of stars is influenced by the teams they played for rather than their on-the-field performance. If Biggio played at Wrigley or in the Bronx, I suspect this string of messages would be directed more at how close to unanimous his election to the Hall would be rather than whether he's a HoFer at all.
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RomiezzoLegend
883 days ago
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Yes, I definitely have to agree with you there. Biggio is definitely underrated due to the fact that he didn't play on a popular team. He's never won a batting title, a world series, never led the league in hits, but it just takes time. As more generations come, people will care about people who have single season records and forget the players who have accomplished so much in their careers. Guys like Tris Speaker, Nap Lajoie, Honus Wagner, etc. They hardly get any recognition, but look at their stats all around. But if you look at Ty Cobb and Pete Rose, those are two players that are recognized and known by everyone because they hold records. Just because you're not on the top of the league or just because you're not MVP doesn't mean you're not great. People get overlooked a lot nowadays.
  • And BTW, I think Hakeem gets recognized, but I don't think he gets as much respect that he deserves.
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RomiezzoLegend
883 days ago
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There are two other reasons as well.

1. ESPN. When was the last time you heard about Biggio other than the 3000 hits, or the leader of HBPS, or the injury he had in '99-'00 issues? ESPN has a lot to do with the discussions that people have nowadays, and that's what a LOT of people, sports fans particularly, rely on for news in sports.

2. He played 3 positions. Come on. When's the last time you hear that a guy who played three positions and became extremely successful in his career? Utility guys are usually fill ins in case a player gets injured or something. Playing catcher, outfield, and second base, that says something right there, especially for a guy that has 3000 hits. Is there a guy that played 3 positions before Biggio and collected 3000 hits? No. Is there a guy that had a lot of success before Biggio who played 3 positions the way he did? NO. There you go, that's another major reason why...
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
856 days ago
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After relocating to the Houston area from the Boston area as a teenager I didn't buy into a lot of the hype circulating from the Biggio/Bagwell era. Lets face it, the two played 18 seasons together and endured tremendous franchise rebuilds in which better and more prominent veterans where thrown into the mix while still listing Biggio and Bagwell as the core players. They led the team. Over the course of both their careers they were both asked to do many things to "better the ball club" and be contenders. Struggling to get out of the first round of the playoffs three years in a row Biggio took a pay cut, that's right, cut to allow the ball club to search for run support and pitching help to get them over the hump. Insert Roger Clemens and Andy Petite. Bagwell took a cut respectively at the end of the 98 season to allow for the chance of a Randy Johnson resigning. Now, I understand that a lot of people look at sports and chant about numbers but the Hall of Fame means much more than that. There's a character, an aura, a persona if you will that surrounds the Hall. You can't just be anyone to get it and you can't just be great at your position to be a shoe in. Every player that has ever graced the hallowed steps of induction night no matter his position, numbers or how long he played all have one thing in common. They played with respect for the game of baseball and for the love of those who really admire the game for what it is. Biggio has been a model citizen with endless hours and financial contributions to the Sunshine Kids in Houston. A charity involving treatment and support for less fortunate children and their families (compare to Ted Williams and the Jimmy Fund or even Babe Ruth with countless hours spent in hospital and orphanages with children). Baseball is a world wide sport with pride centered around every big league ball park in the world (especially in the states, except maybe southern Florida) and the greatest figures to every put on a uniform remembered (for the most part) that the game was bigger than they were and essentially were glorified for there accomplishments as a team (those of you out there asking about World Series wins and appearances, how many did Ernie Banks see? Ted Williams, Jim Rice, Yaz and the like and there all in). I understand that the value of a team comes first and there is no better example than Craig Biggio. Not to mention that he HAS THE NUMBERS for all you counters out there.

-3 short of all time leader in being hit by pitches (285 times, that's taking one for the team), -led his team to a world series (something Nolan Ryan never did in Texas), -7 time all star making the all star team at 2 different positions, -the only major leaguer to make the all star team as a catcher and a fielder, -4 time Gold Glove Winner at Second Base -5 National League Silver Slugger Awards (4 and 2nd, 1 as a catcher) -3000 hits -only major league player with at least 3000 hits, 600 doubles, 250 homeruns and 400 steals -lifetime batting average over .280 (last I checked you only need .275) -holds the National League record for lead off home runs 52 -2nd behind Rickey Henderson in MLB lead off home runs catagory -1998 became only the 2nd player to hit 50 doubles and steal 50 bases in one season -led the majors in runs scored in 1995 and 1997 -led the majors in doubles in 98 and 99 -became the first player to never hit into a double play in a 162 game season in 97 (only 2 others have ever not hit into a double play all year but seasons weren't 162 games long back then) -Scored 147 runs in 1997 which is the most in the NL since chuck klein scored 152 times in 1935 -on the day he announced his retirement from baseball at the end of this year he hit the game deciding grand slam (his 2nd of the season).

It doesn't feel any better than that. And I'll agree, sure his numbers are up there but he played more games that Dimagio or Ruth or Mantle but since when do we rebuke and toss aside players for their longevity at a position or even in their careers? If we didn't reward players for longevity then tell me what else you remember about the man who walked into Cooperstown today (Cal Ripken Jr. another "nice guy") other than the fact he didn't miss a game in like 12 years? Longevity is a great thing in sports and as we saw with Ripken today it should be rewarded not dismissed. Its great to see that team players do great things and its easy to see (looking at the numbers and the contributions to society, the community and baseball) that Craig Biggio is one of the best in the modern era. And by the way, he only played center for one season and they rotated him at second when Kent needed a day off so, consider that when you start ranking him against center fielders. Nobody did it at second better (maybe morgan but not sandberg) or at catcher (not since carter, bench and the likes in the 70s). If he's not remembered that way it would definitely hurt my feelings but knowing a guy like Bigg, he'd be honored and maybe a little surprised and in awe at being inducted 1st ballot in 5 years. Something he DEFINITELY DESERVES WITHOUT ARGUMENT!
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