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Interesting stats: 2007 MLB season

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by Wizardman

As some may remember, I wrote this article. Well, I'm going to look back at those stats and see how they played out for the second half of the season.

1. Curtis Granderson finished with a "paltry" 23 triples this season, meaning he "only" got 8 after the all-star break. I wonder what the triples record is, he's has to be at least close to a modern-day record. Closest I can find is Lance Johnson in '96 with 21.

1a. Jimmy Rollins finished the season with 20 triples, including 5 in September. What's even more impressive is that both of these players had multi-triple games!

2. Grady Sizemore finished second in the league with 155 strikeouts. Not very good, but he's a leadoff guy. The shocker is who came in first: Jack Cust. 164 strikeouts in 395 at bats. Grady had 628 at bats, so 155/628 isn't too bad. 164/395 though? Adam Dunn is laughing at Cust's attempt to match him.

2a. I pick on Adam Dunn for striking out too much. I mean, he finished third only with 165 K's. Dan Uggla had 167. But Ryan Howard finished with 199! I mean, that's practically a game to drink to. Watch Ryan Howard's 529 at bats, every time Ryan Howard strikes out you take a drink. I don't think anyone would get to the All-Star break..

3. Reed Johnson played in 89 games and STILL got hit 11 times. Ouch... meanwhile, Alex Gordon got sick of being hit and came to his senses, only getting one more pitch thrown at him since the other article was published. David DeJesus won the AL title with 23.

3a. The Philadelphia Phillies are tough, as evident by Chase Utley winning the HBP title with 25, and Aaron Rowand finishing second with 19. Well, it's a way to get on base...

4. Jose Reyes finished with 78 stolen bases, being caught 21 times. He failed to steal a base after September 15th though, so if it weren't for the Mets' collapse this probably would've been 80-odd. Derek Jeter finished with 8, so that follow-up isn't too necessary.

5. Paul Byrd finished with a league-leading 1.31 BB/9IP, 15 wins, and 28 walks. So he actually completely imploded if you compare his stats pre-All-Star and post-All-Star.

6. Who leads the AL in saves? J.J. Putz (ERA 1.38) or Joe Borowski (ERA 5.07)? Yup, Joe Borowski's 45 saves easily led the AL despite the lousy ERA.

7. Justin Verlander finished the season where he left off, 1st in hit batsmen with 19, 1st in wild pitches with 17. If Verlander can fix this problem we're looking at a perennial All-Star.

8. Barry Bonds, Prince Fielder, Chipper Jones, Ryan Braun: Who has the highest slugging %, who's not even close to being the top slugger? Surprisingly, Ryan Braun's .634 gave him top honors. Bonds' .565 has him way last out of these four.

9. Dan Uggla still could be the next Adam Dunn. .245 average, 167 K's, 31 HR's. Dunn has a .264 average with 40 HR's though, so it's not quite time for a passing of the Rob Deer torch.

9a. Adam Dunn's only 27? I would've guessed early 30s with how long I've seen him. Still, Adam Dunn is one of the only people ever to hit 40 home runs 3 seasons in a row. :What r u craz? lots of ppl hit 40 hrs many seasons liek barry bonds hit 73, and 50-somethin... ::This is true. However, when I say 40, I mean 40. Dunn hit exactly 40 in 2005, 40 in 2006, and 40 in 2007. Not 39, not 41: 40.

10. This article's mainly a recap of ones I found earlier, I'm gonna go find some new ones for you to enjoy at a later date, mainly since I'm tired to ripping Adam Dunn every other number.


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Falcon02520Legend
776 days ago
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Adam Dunn... HOF??? I mean he could possibly end up with 600+ homeruns... not the 500 club that isn't the HOF plateu but 600... Just arguing his case...
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TylersaltAll-Star
776 days ago
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eh... I guess there's a possibility. I think even if he gets there, he'd have a hard time getting in. I think it's more likely that he's a solid no-question member of the "Hall of Very Good," & that he's a real borderline case for the HOF.
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WizardmanRed-Shirting
776 days ago
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HRs in and off themselves aren't too much of a lock anymore. Plus Cincy's a small market, i wish that didn't have an effect but it might.
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Falcon02520Legend
776 days ago
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I am just showing his case... I don't think if he gets 600 he deserves to be in the hall, not in today's era...
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Falcon02520Legend
776 days ago
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what I mean by doesn't deserve it is that he is a one dimensional player... not much in even the RBI category...
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WoodsmeisterVarsity Captain
776 days ago
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Not only is Cincy a small market, but it has a small ballpark.
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
776 days ago
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Two dimensions - hits for power and gets on base. Those happen to be the two best dimensions a player can have offensively. He gets hurt publicly because of all the K's (which are a result of his high OBP and aren't really that bad) and because he plays on a bad team in a small market. It's way too early to call him a HOFer, but it's certainliy not impossible.
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
776 days ago
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Good point, though, Woodmeister, about the ballpark...the Great American Ballpark has been one of the top three HR parks in the majors for each of the last three years. He'd probably be hitting 35-40 homers a year instead of 40-45 if he played in a neutral park...certainly something to think about.
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RomiezzoLegend
775 days ago
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Well, home runs USED to mean something. I mean, look what happened with Harmon Killebrew. .250 average and around 580 homers; automatic HOFer. McGwire? Give him a few years if he even makes it. Adam Dunn? I think he's gonna need more than just homers to make it to the Hall of Fame.
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DonatevoMajor Leaguer
776 days ago
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The Dunn stat and the Borowski stat, are both amazing.
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JuTMSY4Legend
776 days ago
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your team needs to be winning to get a save...Borowski just used the shotgun technique...
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Falcon02520Legend
776 days ago
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Image:1191890308 Liberty Bell.jpg This user is a fan of JuTMSY4.
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DonatevoMajor Leaguer
775 days ago
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Ha Ha!!!
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Niteowl049AAA-er
776 days ago
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Ryan Howard would have had 200 strikeouts if he hadn't missed so many games.
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JuTMSY4Legend
776 days ago
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he also would have easily led the league in homers and RBIs... I mean...Matt Holliday deserves as asterisk ; - )
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Falcon02520Legend
776 days ago
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WOW! If he didn't miss all those games he would have had one more strikeout... He just needed one more at bat...
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KelsdadAll-Star
776 days ago
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Why is everyone so accepting of strikeouts? Hank Aaron had something like 8 or 9 40 homer seasons, and a .300 lifetime average and never had one 100 strikeout season. Put that in your bong and smoke it.
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Falcon02520Legend
776 days ago
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#44 This user is a fan of the king who doesn't strike out.
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Falcon02520Legend
776 days ago
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Anyone else think that the strikeout king of batter should be the guy who strikes out the least... a guy who strikes out alot shouldn't be king...
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JuTMSY4Legend
776 days ago
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Well...

Aaron's first 3 seasons featured a .280, .314 and .328 BAs with 13, 27 and 26 Homers...

Howard's first 3 legit seasons (he had 39 ABs in 2004...not counting it) featured a .288, .314 and .268 BAs with 22, 58, and 47 homers...

Point is...Howard and Aaron were significantly different players (on different teams).

For one, Howard is the consumate power hitter...Aaron never hit more than 47 (a tremendous number), while Howard has yet to hit less than 47 in a full season (extrapolate his rookie year over 162 games and he hits about 40 bombs)...

Moreover, Aaron was a complete hitter...i mean...look at his RBI total...most in NL history...
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Falcon02520Legend
776 days ago
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Deffinatly not knocking Howard here, but look at Dunn and Sexson and others... Howard strikes out a lot (like Braun's horific defense) but these two more than make up for it when the hit the ball...
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JuTMSY4Legend
776 days ago
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I'm confused, what are you trying to say? Sexson isn't even in the same ballpark as Dunn, Howard or Aaron...
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WoodsmeisterVarsity Captain
776 days ago
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Which is worse - a strikeout or a double play? The thing that gets overlooked about Adam Dunn, in the haze of his strikeouts, is that despite his prodigious strikeout totals, he has a career OBP of .381 and a career OPS of .900. I'd take that for my team, even with his butchery in the field.
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
776 days ago
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"Hank Aaron didn't strike out, and he hit a ton of homeruns, therefore strikeouts are unacceptable." Great analysis there, Kelsdad.
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KelsdadAll-Star
776 days ago
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That's not my quote, KWitt.
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
776 days ago
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Sorry for the very crude interpretation...but isn't that the basic gist of what you're saying? It is possible for some players to hit with power, walk a lot, and almost never strike out (Albert Pujols)...but it's pretty rare. You have to be an extremely talented hitter to do that. Most players can't do that. People strike out a lot more in today's game than they did 50 years ago for a number of reasons. It's not really a bad thing.
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KelsdadAll-Star
776 days ago
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So, then you agree, Ryan Howard is not a talented hitter?

Yes, it is a bad thing. Strikeouts are way up, and pitching is worse. Which means hitters are worse.

No matter how you look at it, there is no such thing as a good strikeout. If the ball isn't in play, the at bat was wasted.
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JuTMSY4Legend
776 days ago
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well my point was...you're not giving the kid enough time...

Do i think he'll be aaron...no...he's more ruthian than aaron...

I think Howard may top 500 homers...but he'll pile up the Ks...he is a power hitter...they don't ask him to do much more than a lot of bombs and some timely hitting...
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
775 days ago
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Ryan Howard is not as talented of a hitter as Albert Pujols. But nobody is as talented as Albert Pujols. And we've already debated whether pitching today is "worse" than it was 50 years ago...but you can't debate that there is a greater emphasis on striking hitters out today and it's easier to do so - more pitches to throw, more relievers, etc.

If it's the sixth inning, and Roy Oswalt is on the mound, and he's already thrown 101 pitches, and Dunn comes up to the plate, works the count to 3-2, and gets called out on a questionable pitch...that's not a wasted at-bat. He forced Oswalt to throw six more pitches, and it's possible that the pitch he got called out on is a ball 50% of the time...which means there's a good chance he could have got on base.

Your definition of a great offense would be the Angels...rarely strike out, rarely walk, put the ball in play a ton. That works okay against mediocre pitching and bad defensive teams, but you need to take pitches against better pitching and when playing good defensive teams.
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KelsdadAll-Star
775 days ago
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It's easier to strike out hitters today not because of the pitching, but the hitting. All players want to do is hit the seats. Pujols and others (Guerrero, Teixeira) are proof you can hit .300 with 35+ homers, 100+ walks and less than, or close to, 100 strikeouts. Even Barry only struck out 100 times once in his career, and that was his rookie season. And, strikezones today are much smaller. So guys strikeout more frequently on better quality pitches. There's no argument that can be made/justified that today's hitters are better than any other generation, because it is statistically not true. All you have to do is look.
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RomiezzoLegend
775 days ago
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Listen to Kelsdad. He knows his stuff. ;)
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Sugarshane024Waterboy
776 days ago
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Being a stathead, I can appreciate this article.
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Falcon02520Legend
776 days ago
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Image:Jamesbobbleheadsmall.jpg This user is a Stats Geek.
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
776 days ago
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The single-season triples record is 36 by Chief Wilson in 1912, although the next-best after that is 31. Kiki Cuyler holds the live-ball era record with 26 in 1925, and Granderson's 23 tied Dale Mitchell (1949) for the most since WWII. http://www.b...season.shtml
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Falcon02520Legend
776 days ago
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BR This User peruses
Baseball-Reference regularly.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
776 days ago
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Ted Kluszewski hit 49 home runs in 1954 and struck out 35 times then hit 47 in 1955 while striking out 40 times. In 15 seasons he struck out only 365 times. Some players today strike out that often in less than two seasons.
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