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In Defense of MLB’s “This One Counts” All Star Gimmick

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by user Joshkross


Let me preface this by saying a couple things:

  1. This is my first post, bear with me. (feel free to edit)
  2. I grant completely that this is a gimmick and it is ridiculous that a mid-season exhibition game should potentially determine the outcome of the World Series.


I have always been a proponent of the team with the best record having home field in the World Series. While there are some issues, (unbalanced schedule, etc.) ultimately the best team should have home field. Or should it? It depends on how you define the “Best team.”


If the season ended right now, and we base the rankings off of winning percentage, the playoff teams would be ranked as follows:

  1. Mets - .626
  2. Detroit - .624
  3. Yankees - .595
  4. White Sox - .591
  5. Oakland - .579
  6. St. Louis - .534
  7. Dodgers - .534
  8. Padres - .511


The Mets would get home field advantage. Even if they slipped a little bit between now and the end of the season, the only team who would probably gain over them is the Tigers.


We all know that the A.L. is a significantly better league this year. All four teams in the A.L. have a stronger strength of schedule than the four N.L. teams.

  1. Oakland - .517
  2. Detroit - .512
  3. Yankees - .512
  4. White Sox - .510
  5. Mets - .493
  6. Dodgers - .492
  7. Padres - .490
  8. Cardinals - .478


Clearly, Detroit and the other [A.L.] teams have had a harder road to their records than the Mets have. In this context, the A.L. teams are more deserving of home field advantage.


This year’s All Star game, won by the A.L. in dramatic fashion, was the third to “count,” following 2002’s disastrous tie. This is what led MLB to switch from the silliness of alternate years to the All Star game deciding who gets home field.


The A.L. is the better league right now and this, to some small extent, is reflected by their win in the All Star game. In 2005, home field went to the right team, as the White Sox had the best record and a better SOS than the Astros. In 2004, the Cardinals had the better record, but the Sawx had a better SOS, and were clearly the better team. In 2003, the Yankees had 10 more wins than the Marlins, but a lower SOS. Perhaps this is the only year where the home field advantage did not play out right with SOS, but the win differential is definitely greater than in any other year.


To sum up, even if the Mets wind up with the best record in baseball, and make the World Series, they may not really deserve home field this year, because the N.L. is so much weaker. The A.L. helped show this in the All Star game, which helps their teams gain the advantage.


I'm not sure I buy this argument fully, but I think this year, it could make up for the disparity between the leagues.


Date

Thu 08/31/06, 9:29 am EST


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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1215 days ago
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ummm...I guess you don't remember this, but previous to "this time it counts" home field for the W.S. wasn't determined by best record, it was alternated between AL and NL every other year... so even though it's still not right, at least it's more interesting.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1215 days ago
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And WELCOME ABOARD!!!
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
1215 days ago
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I do rememebr that, I just didn't even mess with the alternating garbage. This is definitely better, but it still SHOULD be home field.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1215 days ago
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one more - if you DO give HF advantage to best record, what happens if both teams haev the SAME record? The League with the better Interleague record should get HF advantage. But what if the leagues split it evenly (I guess they could always schedule an odd amount of games)??
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
1215 days ago
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You can always go back to individual interleague record or SOS as a tie-breaker. Or OOOH make em play a game to decide home field and THEN start the WS :)
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1215 days ago
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If they have the same record, you go to tiebreakers, such as, best Interleague record. That sounds the logical choice. If that is a tie, then go with the League that didn't host the game the previous year, e.g. in 2005, AL had 4, so in 2006, if those two criteria were tied, go to the NL.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1215 days ago
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Who gets homefield advantage in the game to decide homefield advantage!?
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
1215 days ago
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ANOTHER GAME!!!
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1215 days ago
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See the NFL gets around this problem by playing in a neutral venue. I guess 7 games in a neutral venue(s) is too much though.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1215 days ago
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I think, more than anything, people want to go for something that makes sense. It is simpler to say that the team that did best in MLB's Season gets Homefield. Everybody can understand that - it is logical. The All-Star Game brings in other things - notably players from teams not even in the World Series. That makes less sense to a newcomer to the sport. A great first article!
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
1215 days ago
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I agree 100%, but I just found it interesting that this year, the All star game has "righted" a potential home field wrong due to the imbalance between the leagues.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1215 days ago
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I don't get why a tie in an All-Star friendly game would be "disastrous". Did MLB lose money or something?
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
1215 days ago
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Tthe tie happened not because the game came to a logical end, but because both teams ran out of pitchers, because the managers were not managing to win. Baseball games have gone 33 innings before, and you always have to have a winner. That's just the way it is.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1215 days ago
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I've always said that not allowing for a draw in a sport causes problems. If they ended it after 9, and had 1/2 for a draw, 1 for a win, then you could allow for that. Also, rained off games could be given as draws to stop rescheduling. Only in the post-season would you go on longer than 9. With the 1/2 and 1 point system, you could still get a % by dividing points by games, and GB would still work.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
1215 days ago
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The rain out = a draw would never ever work. $$. Plus extra innings is exciting. After how many innings would you stop. There have been some Glorious extra inning games. As a Mets fan I could point out examples vs. the Astros or Braves. Ties and baseball just don't get along.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1215 days ago
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But as a result of blowing out your bullpen, you could lose the next five games as you get them back to life. With 162 games each, and the richest sport in the world (Soccer possibly excepting), there is more than enough money in the League. Can't argue with the great games you'd miss though. I'd keep them to the playoffs.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
1215 days ago
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The risk of blowing out your bullpen in a 162 game season is part of the fun. Baseball is so much more about strategy than even athletics that this plays a part of it.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
1215 days ago
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Am I going to have a to write an opinion entitled "There's No Tying in Baseball"??
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1215 days ago
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Baseball - we don't kiss our sister, we kiss your sister...
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1215 days ago
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I'm not sure your bullpen would agree! But fair enough on that score. It's noticable that US Sports tend to back away from draws, whereas everything else has them. We like to know when it is going to end, so we can plan our evening/afternoon etc. around it. We don't want to be sat in a stadium for six hours and still not know if it's going to an end. At least after six hours per day in a cricket stadium, you know the game will end at a certain time, or after a certain number of overs (groups of 6 balls).
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1215 days ago
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well, the rest of the world is more civil than us Americans... Our country was founded on kicking ass (starting with England's, of course... not busting on you, Alex- it took us a while and we needed some help) not spliting differences fairly...
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1215 days ago
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"Our country was founded on kicking ass (starting with England's, of course..." And you've gone downhill ever since...
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1215 days ago
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Besides I'm one-eigth Soviet (Ukrainian technically...), so I'm not overly offended.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1215 days ago
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I'm 100% American Mutt. Downhill ever since the End of WWII... touche!
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1215 days ago
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I still say they should have kept playing the All-star game with position players pitching since they were out of pitchers...it would have ended fairly quickly. pPay by the games rules, don't change 'em
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Awrigh01All-Star
1215 days ago
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I think the N.L. West and N.L. Central are much weaker than any A.L. Division. That being said, I think the N.L. East is better than people give them credit for. The Mets, Phillies, and Braves have 10 offenses in baseball. The Marlins also have a pretty nasty starting staff and have been playing great in the second half. I think people are quick to throw away the NL, because of the NL West and NL Central.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
1215 days ago
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Philly, Atlanta, and Florida have looked good at times and awful at others. Fact remains that only one of them is above .500 and only by 2 games. The Mets are damn good, but there's a reason that their magic number is only 16 while the Tigers with an almost identical record is 26.
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Awrigh01All-Star
1215 days ago
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Its a fair point that they have looked horrible, but consider these additional facts: the divisional records of the Phillies, Marlins, and Braves in the NL East
  • Phillies = 29-25 (mostly because they play the Mets tough
  • Marlin = 26-29
  • Atlanta = 25-29
Now, look at the Mets record against the NL East (34-20). if the Marlins, Phillies, and Braves were in another division, I wouldn't be surprised if they were winning those divisions. Unfortunately, they face Omar's crew way to often and their recors thus appear mediocre.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
1215 days ago
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Ok, so lets take OUT their divisional records and see how each team does outside the division. Here are their out of the division records:
  • Mets 48-30 (win %.615, LOWER than their .630 in division.)
  • Phillies 38-41 (incidentally, they are 8-11 against the Mets. Tough? nah, just they had that one strong series)
  • Marlins 39-39
  • Atlanta 38-40

Hardly world-beaters are they? They'd be in the Wild Card hunt, but its doubtful they'd win those other divisions.

Look, the Mets are running away with it because they are head and shoulders better than any other team in the N.L. If they were in the A.L. their record would certainly be a little bit lower.
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PnattRed-Shirting
1160 days ago
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I agree entirely. Home field advantage in the World Series should be awarded to the team with the better regualar season record. Just like it is in the NBA and the NHL.
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PnattRed-Shirting
1160 days ago
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**regular It would be more fairer it was this way. I don't agree with the outcome of the All-Star Game affecting the outcome of which team has home-field advantage in the World Series.
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