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I Had A Nightmare...The Bowl Championship Series

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by user Bias aside

What happened to the days when the champ was THE champ? Or when you were number one, you actually were number one? Are we just plain stupid?

Here's the, we'll say, hypothetical argument: Team A has won X amount of games, team B has won the amount equal to X(Just forget about teams C, D, & E,they won the amount equal to X, ((which equals undefeated)) also, but they don't count for some reason?). Even though A's schedule had a couple of division AA teams. Hey, they were still wins, weren't they? Team A is undefeated, team B is also. Therefore, the conclusion is that team A MUST be the better team because their margin of victory was larger in most games. It doesn't matter that team "B" played and defeated more top ten teams than team A. I won't even touch the 98'-99', 01'-02', 03'-04' or the 04'-05' seasons. I can't type that fast and it confuses me to even think about it, and there isn't enough time left in my life to write about it.

Well, I'll say just a little to illustrate my point. The 04'regular season finished with 5 undefeated teams. Three of the five; Auburn, Utah, and Boise St. didn't have a chance to play for the BCS championship. Auburn had the best strength of schedule, which doesn't matter anymore. That makes a whole lot of sense. None of it makes any sense really, at least to me.

Even the Associated press doesn't want to be associated with the BCS mess, nor does ESPN.

Someone please tell me why we do not have PLAYOFFS in college football? Every other team sport has some sort of playoff, don't they? Is there something that I don't know about? Are we so stuck in tradition that we are unable to change? Do the bowl games generate THAT MUCH income for the schools that participate? Why God, why can we not shift to a season that ends with playoffs? Something that lets us know, without a doubt...who is the best...period.


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Fri 09/29/06, 4:47 am EST


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Anonymous Fanatic #1
1181 days ago
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Finally! An original topic! Oh wait...
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Swilson3Waterboy
1181 days ago
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Dude, I couldn't follow your logic there very much. I think you were rambling. But I think somewhere in there you wrote that strength of schedule doesn't matter anymore. But that is flat out incorrect. Strength of schedule is a the major factor in every single computer poll that is used in the BCS. The BCS took out a seperate rating rating that was just strength of schedule a couple of years ago, the reason being that it was already included in the computer polls and therefore there was no need to count it twice. As far as margin of victory - it has been removed from the computer polls algorithms, but it is important to note that it plays a part in the human opinions. Anyway, I know people hate the BCS, but at least get your facts straight before you go nuts.
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Bias asideSoccer Kid
1181 days ago
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schedule strength were removed before the 04-05 season. Schedule strength and quality wins WERE REMOVED FROM THE FORMULA AS INDIVIDUAL COMPONENTS. I wasn't refering to the 6 computer rating systems, The Harris Poll or the Coaches' Poll, nor did I say that I was. Maybe you should read a bit more closely. But I wasn't rambling, I am simply an opponent of anything other that some kind of playoff. Thats what I was trying to say. And how do you come up with I'm going nuts?? The BCS system has flaunted its flaws time and time again. You Go BCS BOY!!
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ASwaffAll-American
1181 days ago
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They were taken out as individual components, but that's partially because it meant they were being counted reduntantly. They were taken out because those things are already taken into account by human voters, and they're used as part of the computer equations. There was no reason to count them as individual components when the human and computer components used them already.
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Bias asideSoccer Kid
1181 days ago
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by the way, the seperate rating you were talking about included not only strength of schedule, but quality wins and LOSSES.
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Bias asideSoccer Kid
1181 days ago
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as well (oops, forgot to put that before the period)
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ASwaffAll-American
1181 days ago
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"Three of the five; USC, Auburn, Utah, and Boise St...."


Am I the only person who noticed that's actually four, and that USC did play for the national championship?
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Bias asideSoccer Kid
1181 days ago
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oops, what was I thinking???
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ASwaffAll-American
1181 days ago
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By the way, Auburn statistically had the best strength of schedule. But a lot of people take credibility away from a team when the ONLY good teams it plays is in conference. That season, Auburn played Louisiana-Monroe, Louisiana Tech and I-AA Citadel. When you play teams like that out of conference, people have a hard time giving you credit for beating LSU, Tennessee, Georgia and Alabama. You keep complaining about the team with the fifth-best SOS in the country getting left out of the BCS bowl, but when you play a non-conference schedule like that, you bring it upon yourself.
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ASwaffAll-American
1181 days ago
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By the way, that SOS depends on who you ask. The people that had them at fifth probably only calculated opponents' record, without giving any weight to the record of opponents' opponents. That's a crucial part of the equation, because it figures that TCU going 10-1 isn't as impressive as UT going 10-1. If you look at Sagarin's rankings for that year, he had Auburn's strength of schedule at 60th in the country, while USC was 7th and Oklahoma was 13th.


So, you have to look at it this way - yes, Auburn may have had the best SOS among undefeated teams, but is their 13-0 against the 60th toughest schedule better than Oklahoma's 12-1 against the 13th toughest? For that matter, is it better than UT's 11-1 against the 28th toughest?
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ASwaffAll-American
1181 days ago
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Sorry, meant to include a link with that: Sagarin's final rankings for 2004.
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Bias asideSoccer Kid
1181 days ago
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I agree with that entirely, thats why playoffs would be soo nice.
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Bias asideSoccer Kid
1181 days ago
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Lets talk about a platoff, please? And the components were taken out because of what happened in the 03'-04' season. They caused USC to be left of the BCS championship despite their #1 rank in the AP and ESPN-USA Today polls. So, I guess they did matter, else USC & Oklahoma woulda played, not Oklahoma & LSU. I don't know why I put USC in the list w/the actual 3 teams I was talking about, but I'm glad you pointed that out.
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Bias asideSoccer Kid
1181 days ago
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So, a particular poll had Auburns SOS @ 60th. That still doesn't change the point...they, as well as Utah & Boise St should have had a shot. I know it wasnt that way, nor is it now, but why not? Link me to 1237 more sites that rank strength of schedule....or whatever else you want, but that doesn/t change the fact that those teams were undefeated, along w/Texas & USC. Whats stopping a playoff scenario?
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ASwaffAll-American
1181 days ago
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Texas wasn't undefeated. They lost to Oklahoma that year. They were 11-1 and just edged out California for a Rose Bowl berth. But my point about strength of schedule wasn't that we shouldn't have a playoff. I think we should. I just wanted to point out that I don't think the BCS gets it as wrong as people like to think. It's an exclusive system, to be sure, but I think the only time they've truly, verifiably, absolutely blown it with the championship game was Nebraska in 2002.
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Bias asideSoccer Kid
1181 days ago
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Doesn't anyone get it?? READ THESE COMMENTS!! Yea, statistics differ from one analysts to another. Generally, these type of debates (who's #1 at the end of the season) don't exist in MLB, or the NFL, unless it's about individuals within these organizations. Sure, we speculate on who will win a particular division or title. But in the end, its hard to argue who is #1. Gee, I wonder why? Playoffs, that's why!
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Bias asideSoccer Kid
1181 days ago
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sorry Sooner fans....
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Bias asideSoccer Kid
1181 days ago
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Got my years mixed up, ASwaff is trying to pick me apart! Hell, all these split years...my head is spinning!!
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I am a cpcpMajor Leaguer
1181 days ago
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correction, ASwaff is picking you apart. :-)
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I am a cpcpMajor Leaguer
1181 days ago
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College Football playoffs are a novel idea but they would never work. What you - and a lot of people who want CFB playoffs - miss is that every week is the playoffs in college football. Start enjoying the whole season and stop whining about the last week. Schools like Ohio State are adding more competition in their regular season (Texas now, Miami and USC in upcoming years) to strengthen their shot at making a fair appearence in the championship game, other schools need to do the same. If big schools would stop scheduling so many weinie games, there'd be no arguments when it game to the bowl season.
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Bias asideSoccer Kid
1181 days ago
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Why wouldn't they work? And what do you mean by "every week is the playoffs"??

Sure there are pollsters who offer us weekly rankings. All other colege sports and collegiate atheletes are ranked during their regular seasons. I suppose thats what you are saying w/that every week statement. The truth is that you cpcp, and everyone else so far are just saying the same thing: "I would rather keep a flawed and at best mediocre system for defining the #1 team in cfb than institute the standard procedure for defining a #1 teeam or person in most all types of sports, both collegiate and professional. College baseball, college softball, college basketball, college vollyball, college tennis and college equestrian teams(and many more)all have playoffs or compete in a bracket-type competition(just as playoffs do.) And all of these collegiate sports have ranking systems during their respective seasons. So please tell me in depth why playoffs in college football would never work? I would really like to actually hear some reasons as to why it would'nt work. I am open to any opinions that actually make sense, and please, I'm an Auburn fan, if you haven't figured that one out yet, so why would I be complaining about last week? I was right about last week, just as I will be about the Spartans & the Wolverines, and the Wolverines and the Buckeyes. Please don't hate me because I'm right...

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Bias asideSoccer Kid
1181 days ago
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That last line was a joke for all you serious crunchers...
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ASwaffAll-American
1181 days ago
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Correction - I never said that I opposed playoffs, nor did I ever voice my support for the BCS. I just think that it becomes really hard to have a serious discussion about the BCS when people are making emotional and irrational statements about it. If you're going to pick the BCS apart, talk about it's serious short-comings. Blowing who should be playing in the national championship is something everyone complains about with little or no basis. All I was saying is that, as far as I can see, the BCS has only TRULY screwed up a national championship matchup once. And that prompted a number of changes. I merely wanted to make that point. I'm not saying I support the BCS, nor that I am against a playoff system. Just saying the BCS isn't as horrible as a lot of people seem to think it is.
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I am a cpcpMajor Leaguer
1180 days ago
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Every week is the playoffs because in college football, if you lose once you're most likely out because generally there's going to be a handful of undefeateds in the BCS games.
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Bias asideSoccer Kid
1181 days ago
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And I LOVE the Big Ten!!!
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
1148 days ago
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westvirginia is in the national championship
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
1148 days ago
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STEVE SLATON IS HIESMAN NEXT yEAR
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