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How can Snooker globalise?

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by user Alex Holowczak

The other night I posted an article on The Current State of US Snooker.

I wondered what it would take for a US player to get into the professional ranks of the game.

There are several tiers.

The first hurdle, is the open entry US National Championship. You need to get into the Final of that to win a place in the IBSF World Amateur Championship.

That pits 128 of the best players in amateur snooker in the world together. 2 from USA is minimal, traditionally the home nations in the British Isles get the majority of the places. Even European countries like France and Belgium have more representation at the Championship than the USA, which reflects its appeal in those nations relative to the United States. To qualify for pro snooker, you need to be victorious in that competition if you come from the United States.

That's because usually, there are 96 players on the pro Tour. Of which the bottom 24 are not guaranteed their place the following season. Usually, there is a set way to win your place on the tour. The top 8 from the PIOS Tour, a series of events held in England advance, along with the World Amateur Champion. Usually, there are places given out to North America, Asia and Oceania, but usually these wildcards are only 8 players in total. Then come the British wildcards. If there aren't enough holes filled to make 96, usually the rankings are looked at, and the highest non-exempt players make it back onto the Tour.

So if you're American, there are three ways to make it:

  1. Win the North American Tour Playoffs
  2. Win the US National Snooker Championship -> Win the IBSF World Championship
  3. Enter the PIOS Tour -> Finish in the top 8 on the standings

The Amateur World Championship provides a very limited progression method. But taking part in the PIOS Tour is very difficult.

The tour lasts for much of the year, and you need to live as near to Prestatyn in Wales as you can. This is where every event is held. You then need to get a house, and possibly get a job to fund the entry fees or find sponsorship. You'll struggle to get a sponsor if you're not an established name. And if you have a job, you reduce potential practice time. So your game will suffer as a result. Then you'll have to say goodbye to your family for the year, and live in a different country altogether. That's quite a big step to take, especially for a young player.

The easiest way by far is the North American Tour playoffs, but even then you need to get lucky. You'd need to win against Canadian players, who are no mugs, but are traditionally the powerhouses of the North American game. Canada has had a World Champion.

So you'd need to be super confident, super mad, or super at snooker to make your way in the game. If you play to a standard which keeps you around the top 64, you'll make enough money to live happily, but would it be worth the sacrifice of living in a foreign country? In the 1980s, Canadians were prominant on the snooker scene before fading inexplicably. The newer generation saw no benefit in playing in a tour based mainly in the British Isles.

The WPBSA wants to get the game global though. It has tried to tap into the Chinese market lately. China has seen a snooker boom, and is the most represented "overseas" nation on the tours behind Ireland. There will be two ranking events in China in 2007/08, each offering Wildcards into the event, but with no prize money or ranking points. If you try to qualify, then you have to go to Prestatyn still.

But take a middle of the road American. At 18, he discovers his talent. He enters the US Championship, but takes a couple of years to win it. He then struggles to get into the IBSF World Championship, and takes another year or two to secure a win in that. He's 21 by the time he makes the tour. By which time, he may have graduated from college, already in debt anyway. In that state, who would be able to risk coming to Europe to play snooker professionally?

Snooker isn't helping itself in globalisation. It is doing it very badly. I have a possible solution.

The Main Tour is important, so I'd keep that as it is, apart from the fact that I'd put the qualifiers for each foreign event in the country the event is held in.

The amateur game would see the biggest changes. There would be three tours, one for Americas, one for Oceania, Asia and Africa, and one for Europe. The top 8 in Europe (the PIOS can be spread out a bit), the top 12 from Asia and the top 4 from North America would advance to a series of playoffs - these numbers can change if there is a change in taste. Those 24 players would play the 24 that get relegated from the Main Tour to qualify for the Tour. If they win, they make it. If not, they go back into the Amateur game the year after. That would stop poor players making it through. The IBSF World Champion can recieve a bye, and the person ranked 73rd can keep his place on the Tour. This ought to help more people get through from all over the World.

The Main tour would have to be restructured slightly. At the moment, there are 8 ranking events, half of which are outside the UK, a quarter of which are outside Europe. There are two in China, which is fine too, but their needs to be a ranking event in other places too, such as Thailand in Asia and maybe the sub-continent. Also, if there was an event in Australia and maybe South Africa and Canada, it would not only add events to a spaced out calendar, but more importantly, it would assist the non-Brits to get a foothold in the game.

Under the current system, it is hard to see the sport gaining global appeal. It doesn't hold the glamour of tennis - it doesn't have the money - so the game will remain British based for now it seems.

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Clayton St. John Smythe Esq.Varsity
916 days ago
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Perhaps this can be done. Snooker would need a snappy and suggestive marketing phrase like, "How many balls do you have in YOUR pot?" or, "Snooker: Wher Pocket Pool Meets Perfection"
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
916 days ago
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Two words - you don't want to hear 'em but they're true: Naked Babes
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
916 days ago
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Fine sport, snooker. I don't dislike snooker (or table games like it) but unless I'm watching it live or playing it, it won't keep my attention to the point where I'll follow the rankings. I'm already too absorbed in curling, noodling, flash mobs, underwater archery, le parkour, skeet shooting and wife-carrying races to become a die hard snooker fan...
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Clayton St. John Smythe Esq.Varsity
916 days ago
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Are their really Noodling rankings? This is one sport that definitely needs more exposure. PS-I've been noodling for years and I still have all five fingers on both hands!
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
916 days ago
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There is ONE noodler in the world, I forget his name - Let's call him Gretzky Jordan Pele Ruth of his sport for short. Everyone else is just immitating him...
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
916 days ago
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The problem is you'll not be able to watch it live unless you live in the UK, for nowhere else in the world is there such media coverage. The only way a snooker fan in the US (if such a thing does/will ever exist) is to go to San Jose and watch the tournament in person.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
916 days ago
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Why does "naked babes" get a negative comment? What is wrong with you prudes? And why are you forcing me to defend a comment from Manny? (I'm neutralizing that right now).
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
916 days ago
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It's like suggesting going to a football game and seeing male cheerleaders dressed in pinstriped suits and bow-ties whilst drinking cups of Twinings. And the music that comes on is from Handel or Tchaikovsky. It will never happen.
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JuTMSY4Legend
916 days ago
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What is a cup of twining?
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
916 days ago
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Sorry, Twinings is a brand of tea.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
916 days ago
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A traditionally up-market brand of tea.
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JuTMSY4Legend
916 days ago
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thanks!
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Clayton St. John Smythe Esq.Varsity
916 days ago
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Shite, I drink Twinings Darjeeling tea, love Coleman's mustard, I'm anti Papist, have pale skin and still listen to the Sex Pistols and the Buzzcocks, and NEVER wear "Trainers" to nightclubs. Maybe I am British after all... Bullocks!
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
916 days ago
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I actually am part British (102yr old Grandma is a bloody Montgomery), drink Kava Kava, listen to John Coltrane and Public Enemy (and admittedly I enjoy a little Johnny Rotten now and then), practice aryuvedic medicine and make my own fire-roasted salsa but with my pale British skin will die of skin cancer in Arizona... And I have had blood pudding and sweetbread and other "interesting" British foods, but will take bangers and mash anyday of the week!
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Clayton St. John Smythe Esq.Varsity
916 days ago
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Ayurvedic Medicine? And you think steroids are good? Sounds like you might need to talk to your yogi. When are you in Chi this summer? I might have to buy you a beer and a shot while you are here, Manny, you complex and dichotomous sonofabitch. Tyrone, you down? What's your poison?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
916 days ago
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Poison? Jay Mariotti. Liquor? Bacardi.
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False ProphetAll-Star
916 days ago
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If Snooker wants a strong american fan base, or any at all, they need an american star. The NBA got popular in Asia when Yao Ming became a star. The same thing will happen with snooker. If they have an american star, americans will watch. Heck, people who think swimmers are gay watch the Olympic Swimming races because of Phelps. They don't care about the sport, but will watch because there's an a American star. Then, you can get people hooked
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
916 days ago
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Absolutely. Snooker became popular in the 1980s in Canada because Cliff Thorburn did well. He did well because Canada were in the Commonwealth. However, the United States has never ever had a professional player, let alone a star. The problem is the WPBSA makes it hard for a star to ever blossom from anywhere outside the UK. It's trying to change, but not very well.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
916 days ago
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Uhh yeah False Prophet, where is MINNESOTA FATS when you need him?
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False ProphetAll-Star
916 days ago
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+ for that Tyrone. Wait, what am I saying? I'm being nice to Tyrone? It's the Apocalypse!!!! :)
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
916 days ago
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Its a day of revelations indeed False Prophet. Hell, I just defended Manny over the "naked babes" comment so I know exactly how you feel. But you know what? We are still here, breathing oxygen and living life so I guess it is not THAT bad. I'm just a little surprised you didn't think of Fats before someone else. Questions - was that guy really from Minnesota?
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False ProphetAll-Star
916 days ago
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he was from New York.
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JuTMSY4Legend
916 days ago
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Day of revelation...

Apocalypse...

False Prophert

Whats going on here?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
916 days ago
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Don't worry, the end times were long, long ago...
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The BeastAAA-er
916 days ago
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False Prophet is right, if the U.S. can get a star that destroys all the British snookerers than some Americans will watch. Don't expect Snooker to ever really compete with the top American sports though. However, it can truly can a solid fanbase much like tennis in the U.S.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
916 days ago
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We won the damn revolution and bailed 'em out in WWII (you are welcome Alex). Not sure if America really needs to rub it in by taking superiority over snooker. And besides, the best players are probably American but keeping safely anonymous to rack up the dough in hustling night after night. BTW, Paul Newman was the only good thing in The Color of Money.
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JuTMSY4Legend
916 days ago
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We also won the war of 1812...were mostly responsible for the french and indian war and had a lot to do with ending WW 1...
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JuTMSY4Legend
916 days ago
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Kinda like the home team being up in the bottom of the 9th and still batting...
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
916 days ago
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Yeah but no matter what, the red coats are at least above the damn French. Nothing much lower or cowardly then those red wine, croissant eating wimps.
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Taytay 24All-American
915 days ago
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Even if there was an American star, I don't think there is going to be a 'strong fan base' for snooker in America. Even with Phelps, would you can the swimming fan base in the US 'strong'? How about AA Ohno--is the short track speed skating fan base 'strong'? Even cycling--did Lance create a 'strong' fan base? For each one of these, there is short term interest once a year (or once every four years, as the case may be). That's not 'strong': it's fleeting, at best.
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JuTMSY4Legend
915 days ago
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dead on taytay...those (for lack of a better term) side sports don't get that much interest...espn has tried to push bowling, and while its among the most popular, most of us could probably not even name one good/famous bowler...
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RoblefkoLegend
916 days ago
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How can snooker globalise? Start by using Z's.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
916 days ago
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Australia uses "s", Canada uses "s", South Africa uses "s", New Zealand uses "s", Hong Kong uses "s"...
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RoblefkoLegend
916 days ago
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um, there's no s in "New Zealand" :)
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JuTMSY4Legend
916 days ago
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UK: 61mil

Australia: 21 mil

Canada: 33mil

South Africa: 48mil

New Zealand: 4 mil

Hong Kong: 7 mil

Total: 174

US Total: 301 mil

Therefore, less people use "S" and more use "z"
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
916 days ago
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Roblefko, well done. :) JuTMSY4, okay, I'll keep going with the countries that use "s", Zimbabwe, Ireland, India (that might kill your argument), Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Caribbean Islands that don't speak Spanish/Portuguese, Falkland Islands, Kenya, Ethiopia, Namibia, Bangladesh...
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JuTMSY4Legend
916 days ago
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Of the countries you just mentioned...1 speaks english... Ireland: 4 million
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JuTMSY4Legend
916 days ago
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and by speaks english, i mean english is their national language and let me disclaim it by saying, "I think!"
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JuTMSY4Legend
916 days ago
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You want me to pull out GDP? ;-)
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
916 days ago
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Only one speaks English as a first language. A lot of Indian people speak English as a second language.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
916 days ago
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I speak American...
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Taytay 24All-American
915 days ago
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Ju said 'and by speaks english, i mean english is their national language'. And with that, Ju lost the argument: English is not America's national language.
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Pnatt IIJV Squad
915 days ago
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I'm Australian and I use the following spellings:

realize NOT realise (got in to trouble in 9th grade english spelling for doing this btw!)

colour NOT color

either centre or center, I use both but more centre

So basically I use Canadian spellings pretty much, and basically who gives a shit.

Just as long as you don't spell program as programme it's fine with me.
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Pnatt IIJV Squad
915 days ago
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Canada DOES NOT use "s".
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JuTMSY4Legend
915 days ago
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taytay...at what point did i say the us's national language was english?

Mmm...never?

I just used english as a national language for a point of reference

besides...aren't there only 2 things and texas?
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JuTMSY4Legend
915 days ago
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No one claims that we're still fighting North Korea even though there's no peace treaty... Google's a dirty whore!
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Taytay 24All-American
915 days ago
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Good morning, Ju. I see you are the first one up, as usual.

No, you never said it, but if you are going to discount all of Alex's suggestions, gotta discount your own, too.

"besides...aren't there only 2 things and texas?" -- What? You lost me there.
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JuTMSY4Legend
915 days ago
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Naturally...besides alex had me beat when he railed off about 50 countries...still those "s" and extra "u" are dumb...ha

Yeah, i get up early for work to avoid traffic and get some peace and quiet in the morning...

"Steers and Queers"...its a joke...you've never seen full metal jacket...its a classic...
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Taytay 24All-American
915 days ago
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The s in place of z's I can take or leave, but I've grown to like the '-our' endings. 'Harbor' and the like just don't look right anymore.
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JuTMSY4Legend
915 days ago
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Maybe this is why america is more efficient...well except for the goverment...who doesn't love $200 toilet seats...
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JuTMSY4Legend
915 days ago
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I'm trying to imagine the amendment in congress to improve effieciency by removing "U"s from all words that don't need them...
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JuTMSY4Legend
916 days ago
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You want me to pull out GDP? ;-)
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
916 days ago
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Just don't publish your comments twice... Anything but that!!! Have patience! :) You're always going to win GDP, but the fact remains that more people speak English rather than American English.
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JuTMSY4Legend
916 days ago
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You're still mad about that war aren't you? ;-) Yeah, not sure why I keep doing that...
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
916 days ago
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Ahhhhhhh... Shurrup you daft Yank... :P
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
916 days ago
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The Patriot must be a big hit in the UK, huh?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
916 days ago
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You see ArmchairGM. My arguments with Manny Stiles ARE NOT the dumbest compared to this cultural linguistic debate.....
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
916 days ago
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But the cultural linguistic debate was never ill-mannered.
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False ProphetAll-Star
916 days ago
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that's like comparing Baseball to Bowling. You can't. They have the U.S.-Britain fight regularly. It's expected, and Ju seems to win because everyone but Alex and Pnatt II are Americans, and will side with America on all cultural issues. Your fights with Manny are interesting, but pointless because neither of you will change your minds, and it'll end up with someone questioning the logic or intelligence of someone else.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
916 days ago
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Oh please, can we now argue over the validity of debates & arguments?
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JuTMSY4Legend
916 days ago
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I wouldn't say I win, per se... But we can't let the bloody brits win, now can we...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
916 days ago
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I speak American...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
916 days ago
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The President's Inglish has half the snoot and twice the sass of the Queen's English
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
916 days ago
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Bush speaks Bushism not American.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
916 days ago
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I actually am part British (102yr old Grandma is a bloody Montgomery), drink Kava Kava, listen to John Coltrane and Public Enemy (and admittedly I enjoy a little Johnny Rotten now and then), practice aryuvedic medicine and make my own fire-roasted salsa but with my pale British skin will die of skin cancer in Arizona... And I have had blood pudding and sweetbread and other "interesting" British foods, but will take bangers and mash anyday of the week!
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Patrickburke1980All-American
916 days ago
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Tyrone - i must have given you 10 plusses in this discussion. Damn funny stuff.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
915 days ago
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Okay, to summarise my thoughts on lots of comments:
  • I agree with Taytay with the our spellings.
  • You helped Britain in WWI, thanks for that, I am eternally grateful.
  • British Foods - try our breakfast, i.e. bacon, sausages, black pudding, fried egg, toast, fried tomatoes, mushrooms...
  • Pnatt - Canadians once used "s", when the Brits were in charge... I think "Americanism" probably moved up North.
  • George Bush - awful public speaker, I agree Tyrone. "90% of exports come from abroad." Foolish man...
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False ProphetAll-Star
915 days ago
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to bad Pnatt's gone...
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JuTMSY4Legend
915 days ago
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I'd give you more +s if i could alex... I had breakfest in ireland numerous times and loved it (I know you hate the comparison, but they're similar), probably the best breakfast abroad...hearty too!
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JuTMSY4Legend
915 days ago
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and FP, that little bastard Pnatt ripped off some poor guys article and got pissed when i caught him...twice!...I appreciate your help in handling his bs
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
915 days ago
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What's this about our kangaroo loving troll from Australia?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
915 days ago
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BTW - To Alex, appreciate the posts concerning sports (cricket, rugby, etc.) that are not commonly discussed in the US. Thanks for bringing a little diversity into the forum. No b.s.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
915 days ago
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How about if I answer your question like this: (1) By becoming a real "sport" and (2) by ceasing to suck.
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