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How I found the Armchair, how I came to love it, and why I’m ready to leave


This post could also be called Ban Manny Stiles from All Things, Period (at least for a while).

I came across Armchair GM about a year ago when someone on TotalFark linked to DNL’s post “The New Economics of the MLB Trade Market.” It was brilliant. It was a treatise on understanding why the hell free agents and trades work like they do nowadays. Of course, it piqued my interest.

I began to read around the site and I was really excited. I finally posted something, got decent feedback, and was stoked to continue with the site. It was finally an opportunity to talk smack with people about sports, argue, get other insight, and generally just find like-minded individuals who knew their stuff.

It continued this way for a while. I, of course, noticed the writing stylings of one Manny Stiles. He was sometimes interesting, usually nonsensical, sometimes funny, and often full of smack. Not too bad. He reminded me a bit of Jim Rome, who incidentally I hate, with more funny and a lot less jerk. Certainly with more substance than Rome.

That was then.

Now, I came after the “Ban Manny Stiles from all things credible” tag. I know he’s written some great stuff. “Everybody knows why ArmchairGM is so good!” is perhaps the most succinct explanation about why I like the site. That said, his recent contributions in both user names, and moreover his comments in all threads as both Manny and Ekom are part of the reason I’m contemplating leaving.

Everyone remembers the incident when Jim Rome kept calling Jim Everett “Chris” until Everett attacked him. This used to be Manny’s shtick. A little funny snark. Push some buttons a little. OK. I get that. The feud between him and Tyrone (and Jamel) has crossed the line.

Manny has graduated into the equivalent of calling Jim Everett “Bitch” instead of Chris. He’s just being a foul-mouthed for the hell of it. Tyrone and Jamel came in nasty and trolling at first. Manny responded. They have responded in kind. Manny was a kind of king in his court, and when TB held his own rather than backing down, Manny got even more pissy and nasty.

Lots of cursing, name calling, jokes about man tits, cum, dildos, bitches, and everything else imaginable. This has what to do with sports?

Big effin deal right? It’s just some smack talk, right?

Wrong.

Their behavior reflects on everyone on the site. Hell, it infects most of the comment articles. We look like we are invested with trolls. It also denigrates everyone here who writes awesome stuff day in and day out.

Every time one of them insults each other, it turns off someone who might find Alex’s articles about snooker interesting. Every nasty word or image drives someone away from Ron Sen’s interesting work. Look what they did in “So You Want to Be a Sports Journalist.” I know I don’t feel like writing anything when the comments are just gonna get loaded with cursing and random crap.

It’s rude, and frankly, it’s selfish. Manny/Ekom, you make yourself look a lot stupider than we all know you are. Learn to reel it in a bit. Tyrone, Jamel, etc., you need to decide if you want to participate or not.

So, here’s what I propose. Put them in time-out, like I give my 2.5 year old. Call it the penalty box. Call it a league mandated suspension. Give them some time to think.

I’d say, give them all a month to cool off. Why not just a week? Because a week is a vacation. 2 weeks is a rest. After about 3, you’re really going to ask, hmm I wonder what’s new. And by a month later, you’ll be so desperate to get back that you’ll think twice before being an ass again.


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The BeastAAA-er
880 days ago
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I think you make an interesting point. However, I think that the Jay the Joke crew is the real problem. That is why we need to get this Honor Code for ArmchairGM done. Some rules. We can't just ban people because we disagree. We need rules first. Then we can ban and put people in timeouts. So leave a message about when to do the Honor Code stuff. I'll lead, the other guy is taking to long.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
880 days ago
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Manny, who should be among the respected "old guard" of the site, should be above the garbage. He stoops to the level of garbage, and that's what makes it even worse in my book. He brings down the site with him. Trolls will just still be under their bridge.

I have your honor code right here: 1) Don't be a dick 2) Don't write a comment in someone else's article you wouldn't want a newspaper's recruiter reading in yours.

3) End of list.
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EkomVarsity
880 days ago
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Sorry, but if someone is a dick to me, I will be a humungous dick in return. Likewise, if you are nice to me, I will be tremendously nice to you.... You get what you give with Man E
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
880 days ago
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Then perhaps you should leave. You have become as bad as them, and as caustic to the site. "A wise man told me don't argue with fools. Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who."
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
879 days ago
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Ecum has only been exposed for what he truly is.
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Clayton St. John Smythe Esq.Varsity
879 days ago
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Awesome, BEAST. I always wanted to be in a "crew" I was too white for 2Live, and too straight-laced for Motley. Now back to sports - Greg Olsen (From the U's "Seventh Floor Crew") has just been signed by the Chicago Bears - he's the first 1st or 2nd round pick in the league to be retained under contract. GO BEARS!
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
880 days ago
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It has gotten to the point where there doesn't even have to be a spark to light the fire, it just spreads from article to article with no end in sight. It's annoying to have to scroll through 50 mindless bickering comments to reach something thoughtful.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
880 days ago
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I know one thing. We didn't start the fire, it was always burning, since the world's been turning. (ducks)
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TylersaltAll-Star
880 days ago
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I've asked people to join the Honor Code Drafting Committee, and asked those who responded to write a draft. So far, FP has been the only one who has. If anyone would like to write a draft, they can. Put it here.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
880 days ago
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FP seems to have nailed it. That works. I'd move with that one.
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False ProphetAll-Star
880 days ago
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thanks
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EkomVarsity
880 days ago
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BAN Manny Stiles from all things credible - was the name of one of my albums long before my internet days... advice created by myself and followed by no one.

Whatever works for the site works for me, obviously. I'll shut up for the next year if you want... every once in a while do "a mailbag" - already in the works... maybe I will be on vacation for a couple weeks anyway...

But know this: It was, and has continued to be made personal to me. (Rome jokes not withstanding)

Also know this: I would have your back if it was made personal about you. I stood up for Leslie Montero when he was attacked. Look it up. That's how I got involved. They were here for days before I engaged with them... I don't give a rats' ass what these numbnuts do as long as it doesn't have my name in it... or my wife's name... etc.

You go look up my 9000+ comments, a VERY HIGH % are about sports... changing my name was something I decided MONTHS ago - I like to keep my "seasons" separate.

Wanna make a rule? BAN the use of JTJ rule #2 from Armchair... Because that's what ALL of this B.S. is about... they bash me because I don't agree with them, and the only thing I disagree with about them is their "make it personal" behavior...

and if you noticed, I really HAVEN'T responded to them as much - Tee Baggs makes it easy for me to ignore him when he says things like I 'lied about my brother dying of AIDS'

For future reference: Anyone can E-mail me and address their concerns instead of sounding like a whiner - mannystiles@aol.com - I'm a very reasonable and understanding person...

Just hope these a*holes don't come after you next... or anyone else since no one will sack up to the trolls. And you're welcome...

P.S. - "begging" - come on...
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
880 days ago
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You don't get it. You don't "sack up to trolls." You ignore them. Or else you look like them. Which you do.

There's an old saying on just about every forum on the internet. It's wisdom for a reason. It goes like this:

Image:Trolls.gif
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
880 days ago
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As for coming directly to you,

a) I didn't think you'd "get" it because you are obviously so upset at the trolls.

b)I wanted to take it to the site, because perhaps everyone else would just get your back, and I'd shut up. Which they haven't.

c) I did so at the behest of many of the people I spoke to about it for their insight to find out if I was being a douche. Many of whom responded by urging me to make a locker room post, and all at least saying the behavior was obnoxious.

You can not, will not, ever win a battle with trolls. On an internet forum, they must be ignored and/or banned. If it got so personal that you couldn't stand it any longer, it's time to take it up with management. Remember:

"To stop those monsters 1-2-3 Here's a fresh new way that's trouble free It's got Paul Anka's guarantee... Guarantee void in Tennessee! Just don't look! Just don't look! Just don't look!

Just don't look!"
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EkomVarsity
880 days ago
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I didn't know it was a rule, I just thought it was a suggestion. Seriously, while I'm normally up for suggestions, I also like to bully bullies and my way never failed before!

You're not being a douche. You can yap at Uncle Manny - You're setting me straight. I'd do that for you too, so I can appreciate that. I want peace and you're telling my way won't achieve it. I still think it can, but I'll try you're suggestion (since patrickburke1980 suggested it to me a couple hours ago)

If it works, I'll give you the credit when I pass it on to someone else!

Of course, you could have done it with class and told me just to "shut the fuck up"... =)
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
879 days ago
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Erik Kombol - you are no victim to anyone but your own lying mouth.
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KelsdadAll-Star
880 days ago
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I agree, and agree. Josh, thanks for writing. Well said. Manny, I agree, to a point you should know better. Like throwing shit at a pig, they won't stop til you do. All this Cheerleading crap is just an enormous waste of time, and like Corey said, skimming through fifty comments of my dick is bigger than yours is really, really annoying.

Thanks for your explanation of the situation, although, for me, none was necessary. I miss Manny's sports writing, and I haven't seen [User:Davis21Wylie] and [User:False Prophet] for awhile, possibly because of this mess.

If these people want to talk sports, intelligently, fine. If they want to argue, about sports, fine. If its about anything else, ignore them.
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EkomVarsity
880 days ago
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I like sports =) Kelsdad, for a Yankee fan, you sure are smart sometimes...
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JuTMSY4Legend
879 days ago
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I'm not going to lie, i certainly contributed to the bickering...but if you haven't noticed...I've mocked it lately myself...because it deserves mocking...

I don't think we should "kick" anyone out or tell people to leave, or take a hiatus or whatever...that's dumb...and I'm not going to tell manny to stop talking to tyrone or jamel or jamel to stop talking to manny etc...

The point is, the fact that this conversation even exists is stupid...

I've don't read posts i'm not interested in, thats the point of voting and pretty much going on the net as a whole (and its why the NHL isn't popular!)...so when i see a very typical jamel article, i ignore it...much like comments by people whom i think are dumb (read: mets fans...kidding!)...with that said...if you don't think it adds to the conversation, just don't bother...

You can call me a piece of shit, a douchebag, a racist, a redneck, a nazi, an assclown, i really don't care...I've got bigger things to deal with than that...

with that said, seriously, everyone...shut up...this is dumb...

I'm gonna go bbq some burgers and drink some beers...later...(isn't that what you call should be doing anyways?)
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
879 days ago
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Ju - no bullshit here. You are one of the fairest posters and commenters here on this website. Friend and foe to me probably all agree on that point.
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False ProphetAll-Star
879 days ago
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no, I'm still here, I'm just out of town so I don't post regularly.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
879 days ago
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Guess people don't like Ju here if I'm going to get minused for the above comment.
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I am a cpcpMajor Leaguer
879 days ago
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I've said before that I think Manny has been giving Tyrone and Jamel too much attention, but at the same time he's still contributing to the site as much as he ever has. The ignore comments button is there for a reason, do what I did and block those two and it's a lot easier to scroll past all the nonsense.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
879 days ago
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Memo to ArmchairGM regulars - Ecum escalated this feud, not I. This bastard is no better than anyone else here and has roosted like some Empereror over the past year on this website. Don't cave in to this lying deceitful coward that continues to bullshit this forum with exaggerated claims and self-indulgence posts that reflect nothing substantial upon sports. Erik Kombol is no sacred cow to fear. He is not your "protector". Open your eyes and see what is really going on here. Today is the July 4th. Independence. Freedom. Cherish it.
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JuTMSY4Legend
879 days ago
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is that you bill pullman?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
879 days ago
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Just feel disappointed that I missed the party here last night. Serves me right for spending time with the family! And BTW - Will was the damn hero in that movie, not Pullman! :)
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JuTMSY4Legend
879 days ago
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He flew jets in vietnam...then became the pres...and saved us...sorta... Good morning. In less than an hour, aircraft from here will join others from around the world. And you will be launching the largest aerial battle in the history of mankind. "Mankind." That word should have new meaning for all of us today. We can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore. We will be united in our common interests. Perhaps it's fate that today is the Fourth of July, and you will once again be fighting for our freedom... Not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution... but from annihilation. We are fighting for our right to live. To exist. And should we win the day, the Fourth of July will no longer be known as an American holiday, but as the day the world declared in one voice: "We will not go quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight!" We're going to live on! We're going to survive! Today we celebrate our Independence Day!
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
879 days ago
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But Pullman gave the speech, and that's probably the funniest thing I'll read all week.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
879 days ago
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And, if you want to get picky, Randy Quaid saved our asses.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
879 days ago
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Brings a tear to my eye. Thanks for sharing. Imagine the potential of ArmchairGM when all its unwatned Emperor is slain.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
879 days ago
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Sadly, Corey does have a point here. A drunk white guy did indeed find a way to destroy the immediate danger but of course it took a black man to find the permanent solution by destroying the mother ship. Blacks & whites sacrificing in perfect harmony!
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EkomVarsity
879 days ago
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Just for posterity - and my own understanding... HOW did I elevate this "feud'? And ID4 was one of the weakest plots ever if you consider that the Aliens were done in by the fact that they couldn't recognize an old smashed up ship they hadn't seen in 50-years and they were also Mac-compatible???
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JuTMSY4Legend
879 days ago
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Could be worse...they could have been killed by germs...
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
879 days ago
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Your bullshit about rap music, equating that to being black and questioning my race along with the crap written here about pro-slavery sentiments. Libertyville, IL, posting an IP address on your blog (which is incorrect BTW), and so on and so on...
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EkomVarsity
879 days ago
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I rap, what does that have to do with race? You said you loved Tupac and I asked you to name three songs and you couldn't. I also said that it is DOCUMENTED that SOME slaves were treated better before they were freed and subsequently killed. Pro-living isn't the same as pro-slavery. It also proven that MANY slaves were paid better and had better conditions as wage slaves than later as free workers. The statement was made that EVERY slave had it better after emancipation and I showed evidence of that statement to be false.

I am a truthist. You tell me "Every" or "Never" and I will find the exception...

No story is 100% anything...

Also I "never" specifically said Libertyville. I said near Libertyville, in fact, I said Gurnee... Look, I'm no dummy. I know how IPs work, and I knew that when I threw out names, your reaction would give you away. Jamel took it hook line and sinker when I told him we could meet in Madison, since it was closer to him. And he challenged to FIGHT me!!!

It's where your IP server is with comcast communications. Logic says there's more than one Comcast server in Chicago, so I found it hard to believe you would live IN the city with your provider being so far out of it...

How are these lies? How is this worse than telling me my brother didn't die? How is this worse than slandering my wife and her family? How is this worse than posting and attacking my personal info every time you touch your keyboard?

I can prove everything I've said. You haven't produced ONE shred of evidence (actually, your trail on the internet says ALOT - but you can't remember all of your lies) as to prove you're not a punk bitch like I said. I am out there, in truth, in life and you can't prove a damned thing that you have said... and all the evidence that has mounted sure leans away from what you say...

Keep slanting, keep spinning, keep twisting, keep manipulating facts, keep inciting racial tensions, keep producing your awesome copy/paste journalism, keep painting with your broad brush, keep muckraking, keep blaming, keep destroying and attacking, keep taking 1% of the story and pretend you know the whole thing, keep doing everything but "creating"... See where it gets you. There's no Troll Hall of Fame.

I don't care. I never claimed to speak for ArmchairGM.com, but I do speak for a very loud portion of it - MY very non-dualistic and heavily opinionated portion.

And if you truly believe everything you think, then you truly, truly a Fool.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
879 days ago
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I need to prove nothing to a worthless sack of pig shit such as yourself. Go fuck yourself.
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EkomVarsity
879 days ago
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Yeah, that's what I thought...
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
879 days ago
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You prove nothing here Kombol. Your entire professed existence is nothing more than a goddamn lie. The fun here just began pigfucker.
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KelsdadAll-Star
879 days ago
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You're no better than anyone here either Tyrone. You and I have had no issues on anything, even if we don't agree on the subject. The reasons why are we respect each others opinion and it hasn't (nor will it ever) become personal. Reading yours and Ekom' back and forth is like two chicks arguing, it gets to the point where right and wrong no longer matters and its now a point of who gets the last word. It takes a bigger man to walk away sometimes, you know?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
879 days ago
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Kelsdad - I have no beef with you. Nor do I think I am any better than anyone here at Armchair 'cept Ecum.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
879 days ago
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And it's weird to me that someone who is generally cool about almost all posts cares to waste their time with someone who they have beef with. Why bother with him if he pisses you off so much. You are essentially trolling each other in an endless circle. Just ignore him, hopefully he'll ignore you and it will all go away.
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EkomVarsity
879 days ago
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I'm sorry, are you "escalating this fued"??? Yeah, here's a picture of the brother I din't have that didn't die of AIDS last year. (WHY would I make this up?) This picture was taken almost 6 months BEFORE he died. He doesn't look it, but he was 46 years old in the picture...

Now, if you weren't so insensitive to the fact that there are some legal proceedings surrounding this situation, I would be able to tell you more about these "fabrications", Schmuck...

Image:Dru.jpg
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EkomVarsity
879 days ago
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next you'll say that I just "found" that picture and he's not real... could be "anyone" right? Image:Druandekom.jpg
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EkomVarsity
879 days ago
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now you know why I have a goatee...
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EkomVarsity
879 days ago
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awww... one more. Because Dru raised me as much as my mom or dad did... and fuck, he was a total loser for the last 2 decades of his life, but I still miss him...and his other two brothers have denied his existance. Because he was gay and died of AIDS.

He was always proud of me and always encouraged me to have fun. The first picture is the ONLY picture I have of him NOT smiling/grinning/laughing...


Image:Druandlittleekom.jpg
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EkomVarsity
879 days ago
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next you'll say I didn't play baseball or go to Temple, right?

Image:92TUpartialroster.jpg


Funny to think about the days when they BOOSTED my weight (I weighed about 180, not 195) but I was 18 then, and I grew another inch and a half and 80 lbs since!
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EkomVarsity
879 days ago
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Did you see #9 on the roster? He was better than you think he was... but 0-4 off me lifetime!
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
879 days ago
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Image:Trolls.gif
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KelsdadAll-Star
879 days ago
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You're up, TB.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
879 days ago
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Image:Trolls.gif
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
879 days ago
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Yup of course these pics are all perfectly legitimate. 100% gospel truth indeed.
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JamelAll-American
879 days ago
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Why the cry fest? Did someone try to light a firework from their ass and it backfired? Seriously, my 8 1/2 week old daughter crys less. These are all examples of how pathetic some are here- don't get your way and you cry like you shit your diaper. If you have to live life constantly trying to PROVE you are "the man", constantly PROVE you are "cool" and not a "douchebag"-- god help you. Go get therapy. Seriously. No kidding around. Talk it out. Find someone you can trust and work through your issues. This is a cry for help. All kidding aside. This is a place for fun. If things bother you this much you need help my friend. Good luck to you..

Please take my advice. I have seen this before- you have classic signs of depression and low self esteem.

I am sorry on my part for making "fun of you Manny/Ekom"-- I didn't realize the state you are in. It's no longer fun and games. Again, I'm sorry. See you in a few months after you exit rehab. God Bless.
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EnyboDiv-I Stud
878 days ago
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This sucks. What happened to sports?
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I am a cpcpMajor Leaguer
878 days ago
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TB, it's amazing how blind (obtuse?) you're being to the fact that 99% of the people here like Manny and you're not making any friends by trying to drive him away (which you will never, ever do).
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