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Historic Weekend in Baseball

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by Kingsrule41

This weekend was a pretty amazing one for baseball fans, and even more amazing for milestone buffs. Saturday brought us two historic home runs, while Sunday brought us one of pitching's greatest feats.

Tom Glavine, New York Mets, 300th win -

Tom Glavine became only the 23rd pitcher in Major League Baseball history to amass 300 wins over the course of his career. The exclusive 300-win club has introduced only 8 other pitchers since 1980, and only 3 others since 1990 (Ryan 90, Clemens 03, Maddux 04).

To be clear on what constitutes a win, a pitcher must go at least 5 innings and must either have the lead when he leaves the game OR be the most recent pitcher in a game before his team adds runs to take the lead. As such, if a starter leaves a game that is tied and another pitcher comes in, the starter is no longer eligible for a decision in the game and can not win, even if the team goes on to do so. Likewise, if a starting pitcher leaves the game with his team leading and the other team comes back to tie the game, even if the starter's team still ends up winning the game, he does NOT get the win.

In the good ol' days, there was no such thing as "pitch count", which today helps make sure pitchers don't throw too many pitches and hurt their arm. There was no 4 - 5 day rest between pitching. And there was very rarely any need for relief pitching. The starting pitcher pitched often, and threw however many pitches it took to get through 9 innings. And when his team won, he got the win.

This is why 14 of the 23 members of the 300 win club recorded their 300th win before 1965 (and 10 of those were before 1930).

The game didn't really start to use relief pitchers religiously until the mid to late 1980s. Once that trend got started, pitchers were pulled from games based on pitch counts, struggles, "signs of fatigue", and anything else in favor of a fresh arm in the bullpen.

That is what makes Tom Glavine's milestone mark so incredible. Glavine has pitched 19 full seasons (not including his rookie year which was only 50 innings, or this year) without injury, and has pitched deep enough into games to be the pitcher of decision in a relief-pitcher era. Of course credit is due to the teams he played on for getting him the run support he needed for these wins, but there have been many great pitchers in this league's history, and only 23 of them are on this list.

Congrats Tom!

Alex Rodriguez, New York Yankees, 500 home runs

I can't help but think back to earlier this season when the Big Hurt, Frank Thomas, cracked his 500th home run off of Carlos Silva in Minnesota and received a standing ovation from the road crowd. He became only the 21st player to ever accomplish the feat. Fans have been watching the Big Hurt since he cracked into the league at the age of 22 in 1990. Injuries plagued him over the last decade or so, but last season he returned to form with an incredible 39 home runs. This season he put the exclamation point on a great offensive career.

Fast forward to Saturday, when Alex Rodriguez smacks a ball over the left field wall after a 10-day homer-less drought to join that very same elusive home run club, becoming only the 22nd ever to reach 500.

But the atmosphere was just a tad bit different.

For A-Rod, the home run wasn't even close to being a last great hoorah. On the contrary, as the youngest player to ever accomplish the feat, no one seems to be thinking 600 or even 700 HRs for this guy - it's Barry Bonds' record that everyone is speculating whether or not A-Rod can catch.

From this writer's perspective, the answer is simple: YES, he can. And will.

Bonds is at 755 as I write this, and will surpass Aaron's record sometime in the near future. After that, there really isn't much left for Bonds to prove. He may stick around an extra season or two, but I think capping him off at 800 HRs is pretty reasonable. Not saying he CAN'T surpass that (or that it would matter), but its a fair assumption to say that he won't.

Back to A-Rod. As far as work ethic is concerned and athleticism, no one in baseball can do much better than A-Rod. He is nothing but muscle, and works hard to keep it that way. With his work ethic and body type, there is no doubt in my mind that he will be able to play the game for as long as he wants to. (Long enough to break the HR record, anyone?)

NOT including extra homers he will hit this year, A-Rod will have to average 30 HRs a season over the next 10 years to amass 800, which should be enough (or very close). Considering his last 9 year's HR totals are 42, 42, 41, 52, 57, 47, 36, 48, and 35 (36 so far this year), 30 a year shouldn't be a problem. With each 40 HR season he has, he will give himself the luxury of only needing a 20 HR season elsewhere.

By this logic, baring injury or early retirement, A-Rod should have no trouble hitting 800 HRs, and should go down as the greatest power hitter of all time.

Only time will tell for sure. However easy it was, congrats on the big homer A-Rod!

Barry Bonds, San Fransisco Giants, 755th home run

Well, since you've already read enough of me for one day, I'll just save all of my thoughts and analysis on B-Bonds for when he actually hits number 756 and becomes the new home run king.

For the record, I am very, very jealous of the announcers that get to be behind that call.

I believe mine would be something like...

Instead, I'm stuck in the blogosphere. Oh well.

Congrats on 755 Barry. You'll get my take on your career and all the controversy surrounding it next time!


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LocknessmonsterDraft Pick
828 days ago
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Glavine's 300th win is indeed a phenomenal achievement. However, I don't believe that it will be the last time we'll ever see it happen, as I've been reading in a few places online. True, there are fundamental differences in the way the game's played now as opposed to 30 or more years ago. However, people were saying it wouldn't happen again after Clemens did it, and we've had both Maddux and Glavine join the club since then. Guys like Santana and Peavy will need a great deal of luck with health and their teams providing consistent run support, but they definitely have the potential to get it done.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
828 days ago
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I agree that it can be done... it will take a very durable pitcher on a very good team. It'll also take a pitcher cracking into the bigs at an early age - ala Lincecum - to have a chance. 15 20-win seasons or 20 15-win seasons isn't impossible by any stretch, but it will certainly take a perfect recipe.
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Kingsrule41Waterboy
828 days ago
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^Oops, wasn't logged in
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RomiezzoLegend
828 days ago
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Santana is already 28 years old and has only 89 wins. As years go by, he's probably going to get worse due to the age factor. Peavy? He has 68 wins right now, and is 26. I think he has a lot more seasons where he's going to dominate the NL, but I don't know. 300 games is a heck of an accomplishment, but I don't think either of them will get there. The only pitcher that would get 300 wins would be with a team like the Yankees right now: a team that is dominating in runs scored so far in July/August. Peavy needs more run support, and he won't get 300 wins, especially with the great pitching and competition in his division (NL West). The same goes with Johan Santana and the AL Central...
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Silencer76AAA-er
828 days ago
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Santana is already 28, will be 29 by the time 08 starts, and has 89 career wins. Say he wins another 8 this year to get to 97. He would have to win 20 games a year until he is 39 in order to get near 300. Peavy is 26 with 68 career wins, and even in his best season, he won 15. I don't see him getting there either. It may be a while until someone can hit that mark again.
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Orioles1818Waterboy
828 days ago
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I don't think 300 wins will be accomplished for a very long time. But is it still possible? Sure...
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WizardmanRed-Shirting
828 days ago
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Yeah, you have to look at the really young guys. Like if they have 60 wins and they are 24-25, then they got a shot.
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RomiezzoLegend
828 days ago
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Josh Beckett has 71 wins so far, and he's 27. Does HE have a shot? CC Sabathia has 95 wins and he's 27 as well. Does HE have a shot? Maybe, if he can stay healthy long enough. The key to becoming a 300 game winning pitcher is to learn how to go deep in innings when you're in your higher 30s. Look at guys like Roger Clemens, Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, and all of the other pitchers that pitched before the term "reliever" existed.
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RomiezzoLegend
828 days ago
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BTW, I'm not saying that Josh Beckett has a shot. I just threw his name in because He has the number of wins that Wizardman was probably looking for in a 300 game winner..
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Cory McKnightSoccer Kid
828 days ago
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Lincecum is only 23 and he looks very sharp so far. Smoltz would have a shot if not due to his closing. Randy Johnson is only 16 away with two more seasons possible from him. Barry Zito, 29, has 110 career wins. Roy Oswalt, 29, has 109 wins. Sabathia is only 26 with 95 wins.
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RomiezzoLegend
828 days ago
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You can't say Lincecum has a shot yet. He hasn't pitched AT ALL since this year. You don't know if he's gonna be another Kerry Wood or Mark Prior, or if this is just a lucky season for him, or something. BUT, if he's had 3-4 good solid years, I'd reconsider that thought...
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HappyskinnyAll-American
828 days ago
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I think Scott Kazmir has got a shot at 300 wins. Don't laugh because he is on the D-Rays. He's getting about 10 wins per full year with them so far. He has 8 so far this year so he'll probably win 10 or 11 this year. Say he wins 2 more, that would put him at 32 career wins, and he is only 23. I think he has 3 more years with the d-rays. If he can win 13 games a year with them for those 3 years that would put him at 71 career wins at the ripe old age of 27. Then lets say he goes to a dominant team, like the Yankees. If he pitches until he's 40 and averages about 18 wins a season, that would put him at 305 wins. Its a long shot, but he has great stuff. maybe he will stay healthy for the rest of his career, and you know he isn't staying in Tampa.
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RomiezzoLegend
828 days ago
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I'd agree with you on that thought, Happyskinny, ONLY if Kazmir leaves, and leaves soon. The DRAYS will probably keep him until his contract is up, which is why I don't think he'll get to 300. After this season, he will need about 15-16 wins/season until the age of 40 to get to the club. He only has 30 wins in his career so far, which is pretty bad, especially for a good pitcher like him. 3 full years in the bigs, and he can't get as many wins as he wants, I'm probably going to take my chances and say that he's not joining the club because the Devil Rays will do anything to keep him now..
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HappyskinnyAll-American
827 days ago
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Yeah, I would not be that he gets to 300. He is the only one I could see right now though who actually has a few years established, but is still young enough where he has a shot.
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Kingsrule41Waterboy
827 days ago
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Definitely possible... He will however have to leave the D-Rays soon as stated above, but equally importantly, he'll have to work on his control (not walking so many batters) and also learn how to pitch for contact a bit better. Striking out 8 or so a game is sexy, but when the pitch count hits 100 around inning 5 or 6, it means you hand the ball over to relief sooner, and you may leave more tie ballgames, too (only 7 of Scott's 24 starts have lasted 7 innings).
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RomiezzoLegend
828 days ago
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Winning 300 games, IMO, has to do a lot with the team rather than the pither. Sure, all 300 game winners have great accomplishments, but look who they played for. Greg Maddux got a lot of help from the Braves. He's a good pitcher, but he had a lot of good offense to back him up in order to get those wins. Also, I think CC Sabathia has the best shot of becoming a 300 game winner out of all of the active players today. 95 wins, and he's 27 years old. That means, that he can become a 300 game winner at the age of 40 if he gets 15-16 wins/season. At the age of 37, he'll need to win 20 games every single season in order for the feat to be achieved. This just goes to show that this IS an elite club, and we're taking some of these players for granted. We have some classic hitters AND pitchers: Biggio, Glavine, Frank Thomas, Greg Maddux, Roger Clemens, and I'll throw in Barry Bonds. We will always remember them for what they did for us.
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