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Has the NFL gone too far?

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by MetsJetsDevils

Much has been made of Roger Goodell being the new sheriff of the NFL. He has banned Pacman Jones for the entire season, and both Chris Henry and Tank Johnson for 8 games each. Of course he also banned a sicko dog-hater from Falcons training camp. We can all expect that Goodell will give He-Who-Does-Not-Deserve-To-Be-Named a long suspension. Today it was announced that Goodell has denied reinstatement to Bengals linebacker Odell Thurman. Thurman already missed an entire season and the denial of his reinstatement means that he is banned from the NFL for the second straight year. Thurman's wrong doing included missing a drug screening (4 game suspension) and being arrested for DUI (made the 4 game suspension and entire season). Most recently Thurman was accused of roughing up some party-goers, but those charges were dropped.

I am neither a fan of the Bengals nor a defender of Odell Thurman's behavior. However, I must ask what Thurman did that deserved a 2 year suspension? Did he commit a heinous vilent act against another player like Marty McSorley, Chris Simon or Michael Westbrook? Did he acknowledge using performance enhancing drugs like Jason Giambi? Did he commit a heinous crime against innocent animals like He-Who-Does-Not-Deserve-To-Be-Named? If Thurman's actions effectively resulted in a 2 year ban, then I would imagine that Michael Vick would not be playing football for another 5 years (assuming he is not in jail).

I have to imagine that the NFLPA is going to get involved here. What possible justification could Goodell have for such a draconian punishment? While Thurman seems like a pretty bad dude, I don't see anything in his thug report that would justify preventing Thurman from working at his occupation for two complete years.

There are two main repercussions of Goodell's action. First, as I just mentioned, is that this time the Union might interfere. Pacman Jones did not make a compelling case, and 8 games for repeat offenders Chris Henry and Tank Johnson seemed to be pretty fair punishment. However, I expect the this case is going to give the Union the ammunition that they need to hit back and put Goodell in his place. Secondly, the bar is set so high that punishment is going to be difficult in the future. If Thurman gets 2 years for missing a drug test, DUI, and being accused, but neither tried nor convicted, of getting into a fight, what is a fairpunishment for someone who does worse? What is the punishment for someone who kills dogs? What is the punishment for a player who commits an intentional season-ending injury on a star player?

I respect the need to control the behavior of professional athletes and Roger Goodell's attempts to do so. In denying Thurman's reinstatement, I think that a power-drunk man has gone too far.


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JuTMSY4Legend
860 days ago
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I'm not positive the Union can interfer (but you're right)...My understanding is that a ban by the commish is appealable...but only to be reviewed by...the commish, which of course means...nothing...

The drug punishment was handed out per league rules...fairly...and a dui followup action which resulted in a full season, while perhaps excessive, in conjuction seems fair...what's done is done as far as that...but to disallow him an entire season for, as you say, being accused of getting into a fight does seem overly excessive...perhaps some sort of punishment (maybe a fine), but clearly its too late to do that...

I agree...this doesn't make sense...
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MegECass110AAA-er
860 days ago
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This is an interesting situation; I've really liked what Goodell has done so far, but this is his move that may be a little extreme. I think the fact the Thurman is on the Bengals, when a handful of his teammates have also had personal conduct issues, may have had a hand in his non-reinstatement. If Thurman is on another team, is he reinstated? Who knows.
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JuTMSY4Legend
860 days ago
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I see your point, but i think that's completely ridiculous...Thurman not only cannot control his teammates but he hasn't been on the team for a year, so he, quite literally, has to effect of them...
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MegECass110AAA-er
860 days ago
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I'm not saying what his teammates did was his fault, or he had any impact on them. But I have a hard time calling it a coincidence that 10, TEN, guys on the same team all have conduct issues. I don't what the problem is, but Goodell may have jumped the gun and assumed his or his teammates' conduct was a cause-and-effect type deal.
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SSreportersLegend
860 days ago
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The NFL isn't going too far. It's the idiotic players that need to behave. They can't do that CFL thingy like Ricky Williams did. The punishment deserves to be excessive, especially in that Atlanta Falcons QB case.
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JuTMSY4Legend
860 days ago
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I think MJD's point is that Thurman did the crime and he did the time...now he's not being allowed to earn a living in the NFL... Do I think he's an ass...yes...but that doesn't mean he didn't serve his piece...
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SSreportersLegend
860 days ago
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If I were commish, I'd put it like this for crimes only. As for Thurman, I hope he comes back. That is a little too excessive.

Felony Crime 1st offense: 8 game suspension

Felony Crime 2nd offense: Year suspension

Felony Crime 3rd offense: Banned from NFL
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JuTMSY4Legend
860 days ago
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So you wanna make felonies basically like the drug policy...i think that makes a ton of sense...its hard to commit 3 felonies w/o serving time anyways... SS, convicted or accused? I would image its situational?
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Baltimoresports247All-American
860 days ago
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I would go by the same policy, except instead of convictions I would go with either arressts or indictments
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JamelAll-American
860 days ago
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Here's food for thought- you are a criminal you no play??? Or at least have to take a huge huge huge paycutt! What do you think about that? One criminal offense knocks you down in pay- put a cap on it- douchebags will be making only $20,000 a year to play football- hit them where it counts- the pocket- it's no longer about the game it's about how much money you can make playing it
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JuTMSY4Legend
860 days ago
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Now that's intriguing...a percentage based fine

Shit, 2 birds with one stone...jsut send the money to a charity...infact, lets be nice and put it in their name

Vick could send 100 mil of his 130 mil contract to the SPCA or Humane Society...ha
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JamelAll-American
860 days ago
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This IS a good idea- first offense hit them in the salary- say 25%, second offense- 50%, third 75%- HUGE fines- but you are RIGHT the money cut should go to the charity of the victims- DUI goes to MADD, kill dogs- money goes to shelters (NOT PETA), drugs- money goes to Just Say No programs and so on and so on- NFL will be the top Charity givers in NO TIME!!!-
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SSreportersLegend
860 days ago
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only for convicted.
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JamelAll-American
860 days ago
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Nope- even if SUSPECTED- hang 'em up cuz the black boy is GUILTY!!!!!!-
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Baltimoresports247All-American
860 days ago
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Maybe they have, but Goodell has already set the precedent and he has to remain consistent...otherwise, he jeopardizes the integrity of his organization
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JamelAll-American
860 days ago
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What happens on the field should stay on the field. A set of rules and punishments need to be made. Set up a commitee with different people on it- include a few players and coaches- and they go from there- kind of like a freakin Highschool court-
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Baltimoresports247All-American
860 days ago
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good point...I think that it's important that the players and coaches have a say so it's more like a democracy rather than a dictatorship...there's only so much the NFLPA can do, and a committee consisting of the individuals mentioned above would be very beneficial
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JamelAll-American
860 days ago
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Pick good guys- like Peyton, like Favre- you know WHITE GUYS (all my brotha and sisters are freakin guilty of something- even if they haven't done IT yet :))- select a few coaches- current and veteran- a few veteran players- let them judge their own!
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JuTMSY4Legend
860 days ago
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Jamel's right...only white guys from the south should be on the kangeroo kourt...
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JamelAll-American
860 days ago
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It's sad I'm not offended by that- good old white momma boys who grew up on the farm!
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JuTMSY4Legend
860 days ago
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ceremonial white hoods and burning crosses too...it only seems fair ; - )
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JamelAll-American
860 days ago
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Light them up!!! I joined the KKK for the health care plan
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JuTMSY4Legend
860 days ago
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So did dave chapelle
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
860 days ago
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While we're at it... Jimmy the Greek for Commish!!!
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JamelAll-American
860 days ago
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Did you know the KKK also has a dental plan?
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JuTMSY4Legend
860 days ago
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Dental Plan! Lisa Needs Braces!
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WrmjrRed-Shirting
860 days ago
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Unfortunately, I haven't read anything about what guidelines Thurman had to adhere to or what he might have done (other than the withdrawn complaint) to warrant a denial of his request for reinstatement. So at first blush it looks draconian, but there may be more to the story.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
860 days ago
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The best way to avoid unjust punishments is to not break the rules that cause you to be punished in the first place. I think it's difficult to assign a suspension length to any violation in sports. You can use precedent, but then again you can also set your own precedents. Also, every situation is different. This guy is a repeat offender of various rules. He's shown an unwillingness to straighten up and fly right. He's also not a star player, which might be a message to other non-stars that they can get in trouble to. Or maybe because he isn't a star, the commisioner feels he has more power to discipline him.
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JamelAll-American
860 days ago
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Wow Rawbeez- that's the most useless first sentence solution I have ever seen- thanks! Something my doctor told me yesterday when I said it hurt when I took a shit- "well then just don't shit!"
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
860 days ago
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Hard to say that Thurman isn't a star player. he was a top player as a rookie and then got suspended for 2 years. I do think the law does intercede with sports, and I think that you have to be justified if you are going to prevent someone from earning their paycheck.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
858 days ago
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Thurman could very well be a star if he were ever allowed to play. He came in as a rookie linebacker and led the team in tackles, also amassing some very impressive interceptions, forced fumbles and fumble recoveries. He was a freakish ball-hawk who reminded you of a young Ray Lewis with his enthusiasm and instincts. I guess just because you've never heard of him he's not a star player. And also, there has to be some standards for uniformity of punishment. It's absurd to say something like the Commish has the power and he can do whatever he wants, no matter how fair, you shouldn't have broken the rules in the first place. That's retarded.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
358 days ago
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The NFL has gone too far looking into the recent cases there is nothing that can be presided as altogether legal about what the NFL is doing to the players being suspended for four games. Judge Magnuson is exactly right to take a hard look at this case as it shows that the NFL is not above the law, no one is. As a lawyer I think it is shameful that the players are getting suspended for taking a diuretic that you and I can easily buy over the counter. This whole sheriff mentality is the wrong type of attitude for the league. Suspensions should warrant the crime , If you want to give the players a one game suspension for using star caps fine but four games is a miscarriage of justice.I am not even a Saints or Viking fan but a person who cares about the legal system and the sanctity of it. I believe the NFL and many US professional sports organizations think they are above the Law so I am hopping the honorable Judge Magnuson levies a decision in favor of the players, just as a president that no one is above the law, not even the sheriff Rodger Goodell.
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