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Hall of Fame.....Or not? (MLB version)

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by Behbigben15

    Here is who I think should make the HOF, and who should not (all current players):

shoo-ins:

Ken Griffey Jr.- He is 13 HR's shy of 600 (6th all-time), and has 10 gold glove awards, Griffey is a first ballot hall of famer, no doubt.

Barry Bonds- The only thing with Bonds is that he is "supposedly" on steroids, but he should still get into the hall of fame, he is now just three HR's shy of breaking the all-time HR record, but of course, you already know that. But, something you may not know is that he is just 98 hits shy of 3,000 hits. He most likely won't be a first ballot, but he should eventually get in.

Sammy Sosa- Sosa is also a steroid user, so for many people, Bonds and Sosa aren't shoo-ins, but I think they are. Sosa has 602 career HR's (5th all-time). Sosa will certainly not be a first ballot, but, like Bonds, has a good chance of getting in, according to me.

Jim Thome- Has 487 HR's, isn't a steroid user, he is a great power hitter, and soon he should have 500 HR's, but not a first ballot.

Frank Thomas- I have heard that he is a steroid user, but I like Thomas better than Sosa, and I think he deserves it more than Sosa, he has 501 career HR's. he should get first ballot, in my opinion.

Alex Rodriguez- 496 career HR's, and a .306 career BA, and 2,174 career hits, I think A-Rod is a first ballot HOFer.

Trevor Hoffman- Is considered one of the greatest closers in MLB history. He has 508 career saves and counting (most all-time), with a 2.68 career ERA. He is also a first ballot shoo-in.

Mariano Rivera- Another closer who is considered one of MLB's best, has 426 career saves (3rd all-time), and a 2.32 career ERA. He may not be a first ballot, but he is certainly a shoo-in.

Greg Maddux- Has 340 career wins (10th all-time), with 3,235 career K's, not to mention his 16 Gold Glove awards. He is a first ballot.

John Smoltz- He has 202 career wins, 154 career saves. The only pitcher to have at least 200 wins, and 100 saves. He is a first ballot HOFer.

Roger Clemens- "The Rocket" is 8th all-time on the career wins with 350, and has the most among active pitchers. He is also 2nd all-time in career strikeouts (4,619), he is behind only Nolan Ryan. He ia also a first ballot HOFer.

Possible HOFer's:

Manny Ramirez

Carlos Delgado

Ichiro Suzuki

Derek Jeter

Albert Pujols

Randy Johnson

David Wells

Mike Mussina

Pedro Martinez

Tom Glavine

    I will be coming out with an NFL version soon.


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StumptownJV Squad
895 days ago
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Randy Johnson's not a shoo-in? Really? Pujols isn't yet of course, but hard to see how he won't be. Jeter and Ichiro are the real interesting ones in my book. Ichiro has HOF numbers in terms of averages, but his MLB career is kind of short. Jeter doesn't have overwhelming numbers, but he's been one of the star players of his generation and has all that clutch hitting/postseasons stuff. In my mind he gets in because this should only be about numbers. He was the driving force behind some very, very good teams and has the hardware to prove it.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
895 days ago
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Jeter has a career .211 batting average in game 6s and game 7s (lifetime) Games 6 and 7 are the "clutchest of the clutch" wouldn't you agree? - and he has done SQUAT in them. Check your "clutch"... it's slipping.
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
895 days ago
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Jeter should absolutely be in the Hall...not because he's "clutch", but because he was a really good hitter at a tough defensive position, and because he'll end up with way over 3,000 hits.
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StumptownJV Squad
894 days ago
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Not a bad point. That said, he has come through in a bunch of spots in big games while playing very good defense. I will be the first to say he is a bit overrated, but he is also one of the undeniable stars of this era and the leader of some very good teams. I just think the HOF should be about more than statistics and if we take into account a player's overall affect on his team and the game, then Jeter is in.
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Falcon02520Legend
894 days ago
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jeter is deffinatly in. he also has a good chance of ending up in the top 5 in hits all time.
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KelsdadAll-Star
895 days ago
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What the heck is David Wells doing on this list? Is he a relative or something?
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RomiezzoLegend
894 days ago
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No, we're cutting him some slack because he's fat...
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
894 days ago
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235 W and he did win 20 games once, if he gets 87 more saves he can be a shoe-in like Smoltz.
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IbeargRed-Shirting
895 days ago
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Rivera is the best closer of all time. Hoffman may have the regular season save numbers, but Rivera has close enough numbers and his postseason numbers put him way above Hoffman. You can disagree with me on that, but there's no doubt he has to be first ballot. As for Randy Johnson although i may think of him as a bum right now (i'm a yankee fan), he's a 5 time cy young winner, with as many k's as the rocket and nearly 300 wins.
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IbeargRed-Shirting
895 days ago
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Mussina isn't particularly close to 300 wins, never won 20 games, never won a cy young. Wells miiiight get 250 career wins, has a career era over 4, which even Mussina doesn't have. Neither of these guys is particularly close.
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Interceptor79Varsity
894 days ago
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Mike Mussina can't seem to get out from under the rain cloud that has followed him around his whole career. He's had great seasons and subsequent horrible post seasons...I like the guy and think he pitches some outstanding games then turns around and either has no hit support or royally screws the pooch...
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ChristofMVP
895 days ago
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Bonds will make it to the HOF, but NOT on the FIrst Ballot.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
895 days ago
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Now see... I just DON'T get that...

Hey Barry you're good enough to get in but not on the first ballot? Either you should get in or not, WHY does it matter which ballot? Do you suddenly get better after you were dissed?

There's no tiers to the HoF, either you're in or you're not... enough with this "Punish them by not making them First Ballot HoF" crap...
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Behbigben15All-Star
895 days ago
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But there may be guys better then you getting in that year, so you can get in without getting in during your first eligible year.
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ChristofMVP
895 days ago
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I am cool with a one and done vote. But, that is not the system in place. Hence, you play by the rules that are in place. With that said, the proper punishment for Bonds would be for him not to be elected to the HOF on the first ballot. Bonds did have a HOF career, pre-BALCO. He deserves a spot. he did, however, disgrace the sport. Hence, he should wait.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
895 days ago
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I know how it works, but has anyone ever wondered how stupid it is? What does waiting a year prove? That the writers have bigger egos than the players? That's all...

Year One: Ha ha, psyche! Year Two: OK, Now you're cool...?

The career (whether Hall of Fame or not) ended FIVE years before they even consider voting. What can POSSIBLY change between year 5 and year 6? It's just stupid.

The idiots who vote for McGwire next year that didn't this year should be forced to write about women's sports for a year.

You don't suddenly become a Hall of Famer because you waited a year longer.

They're screwing with Gossage because he just wanted to play baseball and stopped talking to the press (after they misqoted him of course...)

And Fred McGriff better DAMN well be a "first ballot guy"
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StumptownJV Squad
894 days ago
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Nonsense. He will be on the first ballot because he was already a lock before he had his sudden onset of power. Even if the voters disregard all of his roid numbers, the guy is still in the conversation for best hitter ever and best player for more than a decade.
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ChristofMVP
895 days ago
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Other possible Hall of Fame players -

Julio Franco

Kenny Lofton

Curt Schilling

Scott Rolen

Tom Glavine
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IbeargRed-Shirting
895 days ago
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can i have some of what you're having? Julio Franco? are you kidding me? guys averaged less than 100 hits a season. he scored over 100 runs once in his career and never knocked in 100. glavine is absolutely in you don't win 300 and not get in. the other guys are borderline at best
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ChristofMVP
895 days ago
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Franco is still your whipping boy, eh?
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
895 days ago
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THe only HOFer on that list is Glayven... er Glavine. prof-frink-29360.jpg Of the rest, Schilling is the closest, but I think the only part of him getting in is the blood on his sock.
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DanrocSoccer Kid
894 days ago
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Julio Franco might make the senior citizens hall of fame, but not the baseball one.
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KelsdadAll-Star
895 days ago
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Hey Christof, how come Fred McGriff isn't on your list?
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ChristofMVP
895 days ago
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Crime Dog should also be on it as well. But wait, is the Crime Dog still playing, I thought this list is only for current players?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
895 days ago
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If Trevor Hoffman gets in before Goose Gossage does, the Hall of Fame means nothing to me (without the All-time Hits leader, and soon-to-be All-time HR leader it already seems pretty useless)
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
895 days ago
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Check out Youtube for Goose's reaction when he found out he didn't make it into the HOF. Tragic stuff!
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
894 days ago
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Sure lets put the all time hit leader in the HOF. While we are at it, lets elect that yet-to-be-named basketball ref in the betting scandal to the NBA HOF.
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KelsdadAll-Star
895 days ago
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How about neither get in?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
895 days ago
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I can understand Lee Smith never getting in, but Hoffman will... How can you put in Sutter and not Gossage?
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
895 days ago
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I'm assuming you just forgot about Pedro...
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Behbigben15All-Star
895 days ago
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Yea... so hes still injured?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
895 days ago
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"Frank Thomas- Yet another steroid user, ....." - When has Frank Thomas been implicated in taking steroids?
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ChristofMVP
895 days ago
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Frank Thomas has used as much steriods as Ryan Howard has. And that is none.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
895 days ago
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Agreed. Thomas was known for his extremely fractured relationship with the White Sox over the years but nobody in the local media ever accused the guy of using steroids. If anything, the Big Hurt is cited as an example of a clean ballplayer.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
895 days ago
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Does anyone else remember when he led the White Sox team into voluntarily taking steroids tests (until the players union stepped in and stopped them) before the season a couple years ago? Frank WAS implicated - if you remember (I do), he was called in front of Congress too, with Mac, Sosa, Schilling and Palmiero (via sattelite in Tucson)
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
895 days ago
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He was actually a part of the Congressional hearings (something I didn't know before looking it up just now), but he wasn't really implicated as a user.

http://www.n...&ei=5070

Now, that doesn't mean he didn't use steroids...you can't say that for sure about anybody from this era.
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StumptownJV Squad
894 days ago
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We don't know who used and who didn't except for the guys where they admitted it or it was proven. That includes Bonds, Clemens, Thomas, Thome, Sosa, etc. Since we don't know, I think you have to just assume that power numbers across the board are inflated because so many guys were on the juice and take every player from this era and compare him in the era. A guy who dominated this era with more than just power hitting like Bonds and Thomas get in. Guys like Palmero who have historically good power numbers but not relative to this era shouldn't. To sit back and try to guess based on percieved hat size or allegations in the media or rumors or whatever isn't fair to anyone, those who juiced and those who didn't. You don't know. Niether do I so just compare the guys in their era like we should with any other player.
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Falcon02520Legend
894 days ago
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i still dont think frank is a first ballot HOF
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
894 days ago
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I call BS Stumpy. We do know Bonds used, per the leaked Grand Jury testimony. We can't "prove" he did it knowingly, but he admitted to using the cream and the clear, having said he thought it was "flaxseed oil."
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Behbigben15All-Star
895 days ago
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I have heard people say he is on steroids.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
895 days ago
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Who then? Gary Player?
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Behbigben15All-Star
895 days ago
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USA today
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
895 days ago
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Link please?
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Behbigben15All-Star
895 days ago
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I read it in the fucking newspaper
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ChristofMVP
895 days ago
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Dude, watch the language.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
895 days ago
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Likely story.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
895 days ago
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I always hated the editors of that paper... and the pictures need to be in color!
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MegECass110AAA-er
895 days ago
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Manny Ramirez is one of the greatest right handed hitters ever. Period. He'll get 500 homers either this year or next, and he's clean. No matter how adrift he may seem, he's known as one of the hardest working hitters in the game. He's also second all-time in grand slams. First ballot, no doubt about it.
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Falcon02520Legend
894 days ago
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thank you
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SalmanpourVarsity
894 days ago
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She said it all
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RomiezzoLegend
894 days ago
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AMEN!!
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KelsdadAll-Star
895 days ago
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You want proof Thomas and Howard aren't roiders? Just look at them. They're fat. They don't get timed running home to first, they get timed running from their locker to the post game spread. They're so fat they make Manny look in shape. Only two pitchers in the Hall of Fame with losing records are closers, Fingers and Sutter. I don't give a crap what anyone says, if you have a losing career record, you were not an all time great. You barely qualify as good. I ever get elected President of the Hall, first thing is those two plaques end up in the street, right along side Dizzy Dean's.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
895 days ago
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(Dizzy Dean would have easily doubled his numbers with TJ surgery... He was great enough.) Lyle Alzado was fat. Todd Sauerbrun is fat. What does "fat" have to do with using steroids or not? In fact, AFTER steroid use, guys do get fat ("bitch tits", for instance)
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
894 days ago
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Manny, don't forget we have the pictures to prove it: image:Fat_bichette.jpg
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Falcon02520Legend
894 days ago
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if you take roids and dont lift extreamly, you start to get fat
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Behbigben15All-Star
895 days ago
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You made a good point, that if you have a losing record you shouldn't be in the HOF, and your'e right, but Hoffman is the exception to that, and he belongs in the Hall.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
895 days ago
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Nolan Ryan went 8-16 in 1987... look at the rest of his numbers that year (#1 in ERA, K's, K/BB ratio, 3rd in WHIP) and tell me that records really matter... Relievers have a much higher chance of losing games than winning them. Most don't enter the game unless their team is already winning. Hard to get the win when you come in with a lead...
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Behbigben15All-Star
895 days ago
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If you come into the game with the lead, and end up getting the loss, then that means you blew a save, and are not doing your job.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
895 days ago
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If you come into a game and don't blow a save, you can't get a win. For closers to get a win, they either need to come in behind or tied and have the team rally, or blow a save, and have the team rally.
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Behbigben15All-Star
895 days ago
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SO, it really isn't the pitcher's fault if he gets the loss, or the win, its up to the team's offense.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
895 days ago
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A pitcher also gets the loss even if the run is unearned - Is it a pitcher's fault if his fielders let him down?
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
894 days ago
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It is his fault if he gets the loss, but win/loss records for closers and relievers are misleading, unless they have an overwhelming number of losses. You can't get a loss as a reliever unless you blow a lead or tied game.
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TylersaltAll-Star
894 days ago
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Win/loss records mean very little when it comes to determining a pitcher's worth to a team. You're much better off looking at Win Shares or Win Probability Added when trying to determine post-facto worth.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
894 days ago
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My point exactly Tyler.
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KelsdadAll-Star
895 days ago
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Dean's injury was to his shoulder, not his elbow. And he got it from pitching with a broken foot. Dean had two great seasons, two decent ones, the rest he sucked. He's as much a Hall of Famer as Chris Gwynn.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
895 days ago
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Ha Ha tricked you... TJ is Terry Johnson, the guy that the shoulder surgery was named after! Hey look at that shiny object over there! Chris Gwynn never had a decent season let alone two great ones...
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KelsdadAll-Star
895 days ago
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So lets create a new stat for closers, and retro it back to 1969. Saves-blown saves=net saves. I would prefer the rule changed, but ain't gonna happen. What next, Designated hitters in the Hall? That happens, should change its name from Hall of Fame to Hall of Played Half the Time.
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KelsdadAll-Star
895 days ago
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Oh, and a editing change. Glavine is a lock, Smoltz is borderline. At best.
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
895 days ago
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Smoltz absolutely will get in...he'll have 200 wins, and voters will give him credit for 1)his 100-150 saves, 2)his great postseason record, and 3)the fact that he pitched with Maddux and Glavine on the great Braves teams. I haven't thought about it much, so I don't necessarily know if he should get in (he's probably got a couple of good seasons left, though), but he definitely will.
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KelsdadAll-Star
895 days ago
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But he still is as much a Hall of Famer as Dean. He wasn't great.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
895 days ago
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Hall of Fame includes a player's entire career. You, ESPN, and others hope people will forget that. Some Hall of Fame voters will not cheat Mariano Rivera out of his career as you did. There are cheaters like you all over. You're trying to tell people Mariano Rivera didn't pitch in the 1996 regular season or any of his 12 post seasons. He has a winning percentage and many other stats setting him way above anyone else of his era. You can start by looking at multi-inning appearances and entering with runners on base. You'd need 2 of any other so-called closer to do what he has done and continues to do.
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KelsdadAll-Star
895 days ago
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Pitcher walks the bases loaded with two outs. Batter hits a grounder to third, goes thru his legs, two runs score, both unearned. Who walked the batters? It may not be the pitchers fault they scored, but its his fault they got on base. So, tough for the pitcher.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
895 days ago
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Ok, with two outs a batter hits a can of corn to the rightfielder who trips, falls and results in a hit (because the fielder never touched the ball) and a 3 base error - pitcher gets the loss. (actually happened to me once)

What if the two runners are inherited and said third baseman boots the ball?

Losses may be the stupidest stat in baseball (and wins are relatively meaningless as well)

The GWRBI made more sense.
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KelsdadAll-Star
895 days ago
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You're probably right KWitt, Smoltz gets in, but more of his association with the other two than on his own ability. Don Drysdale got in because of Sandy Koufax, not because he was a great pitcher.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
895 days ago
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Then why is Johnny Sain on the outside looking in? =)
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Audino237JV Squad
895 days ago
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why are moose and wells on the list? besides the perfect game, wells does not have overwhelming stats by any stretch of the imgaination. moose is a loser, he has never and will never win 20 games when he very well shouldve have it was Vintage Moose when carl everett broke the perfect game with 2 outs in the 9th
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KelsdadAll-Star
895 days ago
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Saves is the stupidest rule in baseball. GWRBI is a great idea, but the way baseball did it before was dumb, and is why they arent counted any longer.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
895 days ago
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can we call it a tie for second? "Holds" are the worst... I liked GWRBI, but it was completely stupid...
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KelsdadAll-Star
895 days ago
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Got me there, Manny. Holds what, the ball bucket? The managers coffee? Ryan Howard's second plate at the buffet?
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Boomer6392Waterboy
894 days ago
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im pretty sure glavine having 300 wins will get him in the hall... as for sosa, it shows with mcgwire that the voters take things seriously as far as allegations go.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
894 days ago
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The biggest question on Roger Clemens is which team he will be inducted for. Being the asshole that he is, he'll probably be enshrined as an Astro.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
894 days ago
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Blue Jays!
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
894 days ago
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Not up to him. I hope MLB puts him in as a member of the Red Sox, just to spite him.
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Willf123JV Squad
894 days ago
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I'm not a believer in this 1st ballot...2nd ballot stuff. Either you are in or you are not adding another year shouldnt affect that. How about Jeff Bagwell? Mike Piazza?
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
894 days ago
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Jeff Bagwell, no. Craig Biggio yes. Piazza? Maybe. His career sorta ended in 2002, he just hasn't retired yet.
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
894 days ago
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Piazza's season-by-season OPS+, starting in 2003: 124, 108, 103, 120, 94. Better than league-average every year until this year. Now, his career OPS+ is 144 (that's amazing for a catcher), but he's still been better than the league-average hitter until this year.
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SalmanpourVarsity
894 days ago
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Ichiro Suzuki will be a HOF no doubt about it, getting a rookie of the year award and becoming a MVP is not easy to get. Plus he's the first player to get an inside the park homerun in the allstar game. Every year he entertains people all around, i think he deservies it.
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RomiezzoLegend
894 days ago
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Getting the Rookie of the Year and ONE MVP award and hitting an inside the park homer is impressive, but look at the other numbers he has produced:

most hits in one season (262)

200+ hits in 6 seasons, going for 7.

One of the best hitters to ever play the game; he can put the ball anywhere he wants...
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SalmanpourVarsity
894 days ago
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Thanks romi for reminding me.
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RomiezzoLegend
894 days ago
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NP
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RomiezzoLegend
894 days ago
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Manny Ramirez: He's in.

Carlos Delgado: Maybe, like you said

Ichiro Suzuki: If he keeps hitting, he'll be a shoo-in

Derek Jeter: Probably.

Albert Pujols: With the numbers he has right now, he's not gonna make it. BUT, if he keeps playing the way he has, he's not only gonna be in the HOF, but he's gonna get a first ballot vote.

Randy Johnson: 3rd in career strikeouts, 200+ wins. That's not enough?

David Wells: I dunno about him. I think he's the weakest one in the bunch.

Mike Mussina: Decent pitcher. If he keeps going, he'll probably get in eventually, but definitely not a first balloter.

Pedro Martinez: He's in. No question. He's gonna be back, and strikeout some more. He has one of the highest winning percentages for a starting pitcher in history, which is unbelievable. I'm gonna take a guess and say he's in.

Tom Glavine: If he gets 300 wins, he's in.
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
894 days ago
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I dunno about Delgado...his counting numbers are pretty good, but there are a lot of 1B from this era with comparable numbers. Jeter's definitely in, he'll easily get 3000 hits. Even if Pedro doesn't come back, he's first-ballot...I'll take Pedro at his peak over any other pitcher in history.
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BRGJV Squad
894 days ago
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I'd certainly agree that A-Rod, Jeter, Clemens, and Mariano Rivera belong. And for the non-Yankees, Randy J, Maddux, and Griffey. Some of the others, I'm not too sure of their qualifications and I can't say you're wrong -- but Wells is like Don Larsen - one great game does not a HoF career make. As for Bonds and Sosa, it all depends on how important the voters consider the steroid issue.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
894 days ago
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Hoffman a shoe in, but Riviera not? Probably the other way around. And keep in mind relievers in general have a very hard time getting in. Lots of guys high on the all time save list are not in HOF.

Randy Johnson has 284 wins, *5* cy youngs, 3 second place CYA finishes, thats first ballot material.

Smoltz first ballot? Great player, but remember that relieving isn't held in the same regards as a starter. 154 saves does not equal 100 wins. He is iffy.

Tom Glavine listed as possible HOF? I think 2 more wins he is most definitely first ballot.

Mussina possible? Possible if he wins another 47 games. No CY Youngs, No 20-win seasons. See Randy Johnson for less than 300 win HOF resume.

Pedro? 200+ wins, Great W-L record (.691), multiple Cy Youngs, but only hope is on a Sandy Koufax-like "he was dominant for several years type vote".

Lastly, 500HR's not a shoe-in stat anymore. 600 HR was something only 3 people got in 70 years (Ruth,Aaron,Mays), we will soon have three 600HR+ players playing *today* (Bonds,Sosa,Griffey). So Delgado and Thome's chances are more outside shots than you may think.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
894 days ago
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What is more impressive, Smoltz 200W, 154SV or Dennis Eckersley, 197W 390SV? People keep trotting out the 200W, 100SV thing like it is unheard of and makes him a shoe-in
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
894 days ago
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When you come out with the NFL version, be sure to allude to who may be taking steriods or HGH. Oh wait, those guys don't do that stuff, they are "all natural". (eyes roll)
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DanrocSoccer Kid
894 days ago
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The lack of support McGuire received makes me think Sosa is going to see the same thing. Glavine will make it, no question asked. Pedro was one of the quickest pitchers to rack up his wins (remember he spent time in Montreal too, and won) and should be a shoo in. Mussina and Wells are borderlines, depends on who else is eligible when they come up. Delgado seems unlikely.
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
894 days ago
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The good news for Sosa is that he won't be on the ballot until 2012, and by then, people might feel differently about the steroid era. He could also conceivably be on the ballot in 2026, when people would feel a lot differently about it.
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WizardmanRed-Shirting
894 days ago
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I don't think Jim Thom's quite a shoo-in. I'd say Ramirez is abotu on par with him.
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Phoenix SuperfanVarsity
894 days ago
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Nearly 100 comments and not one mention of Chipper Jones. Probably the most underrated player ever.

This guy does it year in and year out, has a .306 career average, over 400 doubles, is closing on 400 hrs, has over 1200 rbi's, and is only 35. He also has an MVP, a World Series, and his team wins the division every year.

Plus, he is the second most prolific switch hitter of all-time. He has also switched positions several times in order to allow his team to bring up other young players. If this guy isn't a HOFer then I don't know who is.
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Behbigben15All-Star
894 days ago
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Yes, maybe I should have mentioned Chipper, and he is, like you said, very underrated.
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