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Hall of Fame?

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by Hirp

This weekend Cal Ripken and Tony Gwynn take their rightful places in the Baseball Hall of Fame. Both guys had great careers, each only playing for one team and always class acts. But their election into the Hall has been overshadowed by the exclusion of Mark McGwire, who was kept out because of steroid allegations and one horrible appearance in front of Congress. Now, I may be wrong, but I only thought he should have spent time preparing for plate appearances, not court appearances.

Did he use steroids? It’s quite possible. But as of now, there are only allegations. And I’m pretty sure our country claims that you are innocent until proven otherwise. I know that was meant for the courts, and not the court of public opinion. Baseball writers and fans claim they are just interested in protecting the integrity of the game. I call bullshit. Other players, who have actually failed tests and been suspended for steroid use, aren’t raked over coals like Big Mac, or Barry Bonds or Sammy Sosa. No, they save their lashings for only those that hit home runs. Because baseball has always been tied so closely to its records. 755, 61, 56, .400, 511 all mean something to baseball fans.

And it’s not that I think these guys are innocent. I know that steroid use has been rampant in baseball. But, I don’t believe it started in 1998 when Mac and Sosa went after the single season home run record. And I don’t, not for a second, believe it’s a problem special to baseball. But the writers and fans don’t seem to care about other sports. Barry Bonds hits 73 home runs, and a year later his name is mentioned in the BALCO case. Then everyone comments how obvious it is that he was on something. That he got so huge. Same with McGwire, after Jose Canseco outs him in his book, it’s suddenly obvious because he was so big.

But only in baseball, does being strong mean you’re on steroids. No one seems to mind the difference in how LaDainian Tomlinson is built totally different than the running backs from the 80s. Look at how he’s built compared to Marcus Allen. No one bats an eye at how big and strong LeBron James was coming out of high school compared to Michael Jordan when he came out of college. How about the fact that Allen Iverson has so much more muscle than Isiah Thomas? Or how Greg Oden, as a freshman at Ohio State, is already stronger than David Robinson or Patrick Ewing ever got. These young guys got that way from working out. Riiiiight. They couldn’t possibly be on anything, we all know how tough the high schools test for steroids. And that high school kids would never, ever, look for a way to get ahead or put something illegal in their bodies.

And how about the stats? Three times in the last four years, the single season rushing touchdown mark has been broken. When Michael Jordan was scoring 30 a night in the late 80s and early 90s, he was almost always the only guy in the league to average over 30 points a game. Last season three guys accomplished that, and another averaged 29.3. But no one bats an eye.

Only when you hit a small round ball over a fence a certain amount of times, do people begin to worry about the integrity of the game. Now writers want to play the role of morality cop, and tell us that Mark McGwire cheated us. They write that his accomplishments are tainted. But they didn’t mind using it to sell papers then, or now. And they still turn a blind eye to plenty of other cheaters. Yet they still have the nerve to lecture us about right and wrong.


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JoshkrossDraft Pick
872 days ago
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Take away his home runs, and McGwire is not nearly a Hall of Famer. Even with them, he's borderline. Bonds without steroids is way better than McGwire. Different league.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
872 days ago
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McGwire was on the Simpsons... Just like Jose Canseco...
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JuTMSY4Legend
872 days ago
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Where's my tin foil hat? Hey Kids, wanna see me hit some dingers?
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Brendan.CanneyDiv-I Stud
871 days ago
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His Simpson clearly makes Big Mac "Now".
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
872 days ago
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Take away the Andro and McGwire is a one-trick pony with fewer dingers. And enough with bitching on the media about harpooning McGwire's legacy: YOU are conveniently not mentioning that it was McGwire HIMSELF that told our elected representatives to FORGET ABOUT THE PAST. No problem Mark. See you on the golf course but not in Cooperstown.
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Ea34Div-I Stud
872 days ago
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McGwire was the ultimate one-dimensional player, but, juiced or not, he was really good at that one dimension. Based on his numbers (rather, his number, 583), he's a fringe Hall-of-Famer, and should one day be inducted. Since there was no drug testing in baseball during his career and there is no retroactive steroid testing, the subject of "did he or didn't he" become moot when considering Mark McGwire.
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
872 days ago
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McGwire's career OPS is .982 - 12th all-time. He got on base a ton, and hit for a lot of power. You can't do much more than that as a hitter. He probably used steroids in an era in which at least half the league probably used steroids, and put up incredible numbers.
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JuTMSY4Legend
872 days ago
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Let's ignore the steroid issue for a moment...

I've attested to this numerous times when talking about the 1998 home run chase...

At the time, it was one of the greatest baseball moments and seasons...and certainly among the most memorable moments of my baseball and sports life...

McGwire's numbers compare favorably to HoFers Willie McCovey and Harmon Killebrew who mcgwire out homered, had a higher slugging and OBP than...but fell short by about 150 RBIs...McGwire played 6 less seasons...

But perhaps a more important comparison Roger Maris...who accomplished a similar task (heh), but is not in the hall because he could never come close to duplicated said task (never topping 40 homers except for one certain season...)...

and you wanna tell me Luis Gonzalez was on roids for one amazing season...lots of decent players do that...(I'm just looking for a defense, and this one kinda works...work with me please)

I would argue, however, that a guy with a career .394 OBP and .588 Slugging percentage is not completely one dimensional
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HirpSoccer Kid
872 days ago
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One dimensional? To a point, yes. He did one thing well enough to warrant Hall consideration. But he did it amazingly well. I think he's borderline, but had this steroid thing never broken, he'd be in.
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Badseed57Waterboy
871 days ago
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While there is no way I would have voted for McGwire on the first ballot because of his alleged use of steroids, hgh or anything else, I do believe he will be an HOFr someday. I find it very hard to believe that he was totally juiced up in that rookie year when he blasted 47 or so.

That said, the US govt. does say innocent until proven guilty, but this voting has absolutely nothing to do with the US govt. If you look at McGwire vs Ripken & Gwynn, it's a no brainer.

Until someone comes out and says Cal or Tony was as big of a cheater as Mark, he has no right to be inducted this year.
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TyduffyRed-Shirting
871 days ago
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I think that the distaste for McGwire stems entirely from the Congressional Hearing. He was generally a well liked player before that. It has nothing to do with speculation because he is big. No one wanted to believe it with McGwire. It was his tacit admission by his refusal to say no that did him in. It's really sad that Ripken is actually underrated because of all the steroid clowns.
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