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Gold Glove Awards - Phoning it In

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by user ASwaff

Did anyone out there have the same thoughts I did when this year's Gold Glove Award winners were announced? In case you didn't, let me recap the list for you:

American League

P: Kenny Rogers (Detroit Tigers)
C: Ivan Rodriguez (Detroit Tigers)
1B: Mark Teixeira (Texas Rangers)
2B: Mark Grudzielanek (Kansas City Royals)
SS: Derek Jeter (New York Yankees)
3B: Eric Chavez (Oakland Athletics)
OF: Vernon Wells (Toronto Blue Jays)
OF: Torii Hunter (Minnesota Twins)
OF: Ichiro Suzuki (Seattle Mariners)

Source: BaseballReference.com

National League

P: Greg Maddux (Chicago Cubs/Los Angeles Dodgers)
C: Brad Ausmus (Houston Astros)
1B: Albert Pujols (St. Louis Cardinals)
2B: Orlando Hudson (Arizona Diamondbacks)
SS: Omar Vizquel (San Francisco Giants)
3B: Scott Rolen (St. Louis Cardinals)
OF: Andruw Jones (Atlanta Braves)
OF: Mike Cameron (San Diego Padres)
OF: Carlos Beltran (New York Mets)

Source: BaseballReference.com

First of all, where the heck is Gary Matthews? He made a highlight reel play every night, but was somehow denied a Gold Glove. Instead, they chose to give it to the three players that have won the award for playing outfield three years in a row. The same three players, three years is a row. How boring is that? Break the monotony! Gary Matthews got royally hosed this year.

But that's not my main focus. My main focus is the complacency of the Gold Glove voters. They find guys they like, and they stick with them no matter what. I already mentioned the issue with the three outfielders from the AL. But there are other examples. This is the sixth year in a row that two of the GG winners from the AL have been Suzuki and Hunter. This is Rogers' fifth GG in seven seasons. It's Jeter's third in a row, and Pudge has won the award 12 times in his 15-year career. Now, I love Pudge as much as anyone, but he didn't derseve it all of those seasons. Omar Vizquel just won his 11th Gold Glove in 14 years.

But nobody has a monopoly on the Gold Glove award like Greg Maddux. In the last 16 years, only one pitcher who was not name Greg Maddux has won the National League Gold Glove Award for pitching - Mike Hampton.

Now, none of this is to say that these players aren't great at fielding their positions, or that they aren't perfectly deserving. But I wonder how much the voters are looking at numbers, and how much they're just looking at names.

For example, I wonder if they realize that Pujols' fielding percentage is slightly lower than Todd Helton's, Nomar Garciaparra's, and even Scott Hatteberg's. I wonder if they even gave Adam Everett a second thought at shortstop, when his fielding percentage was right there with Vizquel. Personally, I think this year would have been a good year to pass the torch to a great young defensive shortstop.

As much as I hate to say it, the worst choice of the year was Brad Ausmus. Even though he had by far the fewest errors of any catcher with more than 115 games played (2), and even though he led the National League in fielding percentage (.998), he had a terrible time with baserunners. He caught just 17 baserunners while allowing 60 stolen bases. Compare that to Yadier Molina of the Cardinals, whose .995 fielding percentage is just marginally worse than Ausmus's - he allowed just 37 stolen bases while catching 29 runners.

This is a call for Gold Glove voters to get out of the rut. Stop looking at names and reputations, and start giving it to players that truly deserve the awards. Don't be afraid of change, and don't be afraid to hand the torch over to up-and-coming players that might someday make a Gold Glove run like Maddux has.

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Anonymous Fanatic #1
1141 days ago
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As long as A-rod is on the right side of Jeter, Jeter will always look like a gold-glove winner.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1141 days ago
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You took the phone right out of my mouth (or took the words out of my mouth and slapped a stamp on it - third class mail, that is) But Jeter clearly deserved his award (he sucked more off the field than on it this year...)
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Davis21wylieMVP
1141 days ago
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First off, using fielding percentage as an evaluatory tool is a bit misguided. Just thought I'd throw that out there...

That said, the voters didn't do a perfect job. They did pretty good, though -- take a look at the list, accompanied by Baseball Prospectus' Fielding Runs Above Average, which is probably the best objective (read: statistical) measure of defense out there:

American League

Pos:Player					FRAA
P:  Kenny Rogers (Detroit Tigers)		+1
C:  Ivan Rodriguez (Detroit Tigers)		+15
1B: Mark Teixeira (Texas Rangers)		+10
2B: Mark Grudzielanek (Kansas City Royals)	+10.5
SS: Derek Jeter (New York Yankees)		+8
3B: Eric Chavez (Oakland Athletics)		+16.5
OF: Vernon Wells (Toronto Blue Jays)		-6
OF: Torii Hunter (Minnesota Twins)		+1.5
OF: Ichiro Suzuki (Seattle Mariners)		+8

OF: Gary Matthews (Texas Rangers)		-7

National League

Pos:Player					FRAA
P:  Greg Maddux (Chicago Cubs/LA Dodgers)	+5
C:  Brad Ausmus (Houston Astros)		+6.5
1B: Albert Pujols (St. Louis Cardinals)		+17.5
2B: Orlando Hudson (Arizona Diamondbacks)	+20!
SS: Omar Vizquel (San Francisco Giants)		+1
3B: Scott Rolen (St. Louis Cardinals)		+13
OF: Andruw Jones (Atlanta Braves)		-2.5
OF: Mike Cameron (San Diego Padres)		+5
OF: Carlos Beltran (New York Mets)		+16.5

C:  Yadier Molina (St. Louis Cardinals)		+18.5
1B: Todd Helton (Colorado Rockies)		+3.5
1B: Nomar Garciaparra (LA Dodgers)		-8.5
1B: Scott Hatteberg (Cincinnati Reds)		-6.5
SS: Adam Everett (Houston Astros)		+21!!

You nailed it, Molina and Everett got screwed. Matthews didn't, though; all of those diving catches were the result of a lack of range -- most players would have gotten to them without even having to dive. Still, good call on Molina and Everett. The fact that Vizquel got it is basically ironclad proof that the voters rely more on reputation than anything else.

Along these same lines, Tom Tango does a fan survey each year where voters "scout" each player's defensive skills (instincts, first step, etc.). Some of the voting is bogus as well, since it is subject to human error, but the results are interesting, and probably more reliable than the official Gold Glove voting.
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ASwaffAll-American
1141 days ago
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Yeah, my biggest point wasn't so much that people got hosed as I'm just advocating change. It's boring to see the same three outfielders get it year after year. They might be great, but they're not really standing so head and shoulders above the competition that you can't say someone else doesn't deserve it.


As for Matthews' catches, he didn't have a lack of range. His great plays weren't ones where he was getting to the ball in a gap, it was all the homerun-robbing plays he made. It seemed like he was robbing a homerun every night at one point.
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JeevesJV Squad
1141 days ago
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More about Matthews...

Zone Rating is another solid metric to look at fielding. Matthews ranks as last for "qualified (enough games at the position)" in the AL.

As much as I hate promoting an Indian, I think Sizemore should have been brought into some of the discusion for Gold Glove.
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ASwaffAll-American
1141 days ago
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Those metrics give an interesting insight into why people might have backed Ausmus for the Gold Glove. Although he was last in CS percentage for eligible catchers, he also had the best ERA and a ZR of 1.000.


But, again, they give an interesting insight into their shortcomings. Once more, if you look up Andruw Jones, he's dead last in ZR for NL centerfielders. Now, tell me - does anyone here really think that Juan Pierre is the best defensive center fielder in the National League, and Willy Taveras is the fifth-best, while Andruw Jones is dead last? I think you also have to take into account what they bring to a team. People don't run on Jones like they don't run on Ivan Rodriguez. Andruw has one of the best arms in the majors, but he only had four outfield assists (while Juan Pierre had five and Jose Bautista had 7 in just 46 starts) because the word is out that you don't run on Jones.

So, we still see that no matter how hard they try to improve these metrics, they'll still never be as good an indicator as actually watching the game and having a genuine eye for talent.
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JeevesJV Squad
1141 days ago
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I agree Aswaff. Just thought I'd throw out another widelt accepted metric. Anything that rates Andruw Jones so low, or Scott Podsednik (who is TERRIBLE) so high deserves to be looked at with some caution.
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J CunninghamVarsity Captain
1141 days ago
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I woulda picked Matthews over Hunter partly because, if I recall, Hunter was hurt for a good portion of the year. Matthews was healthier and, I think, more consistent and I daresay he deserved the award. You make an interesting argument; I'd never really given that much thought to GOld Glove selections before.
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JoebookRed-Shirting
1141 days ago
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I really thought Joe Crede made a good case for AL 3B
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Davis21wylieMVP
1141 days ago
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Crede was +23 by FRAA. So, yeah, he made a damn good case.
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JeevesJV Squad
1141 days ago
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Not to be a homer, but I thought Crede might pull out a Gold Glove this year. He's always flashed leather, but up until now has struggled at the plate. I know hitting doesn't have anything to do with fielding, but if you're hitting well, more people (ie voters) will take notice of your play. This year as we all know, he hit well while Chavez struggled. I can live with Chavez getting it, since he is a good fielder and all, but I don't know if I'm as okay with say Vizuel or Ausmus getting it.
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ASwaffAll-American
1141 days ago
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And yeah, I know that fielding percentage isn't the best metric to determine ability. I was just using something simple that people can understand and recognize. There's no perfect metric, obviously. This is a good metric you're using here, but it places Andruw Jones as a sub-par outfielder. Anyone that's ever watched him play knows that's not true.
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Davis21wylieMVP
1141 days ago
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I'll give you Matthews' HR robs; I saw him have some web gem dives, I thought that was what you were talking about. Overall, he comes out well in the scouting, and FRAA likes him in past years; but for some reason, he made far fewer plays per 9 innings than the average CF in '06. I'll call it a wash, though, and give Matthews the benefit of the doubt. Living in Atlanta, I've seen quite a bit of Andruw Jones, and I can't explain his decline in FRAA (or range factor, for that matter). He looks as good as ever, even if he is carrying some excess poundage around lately. :) Maybe the Braves staff is putting fewer fly balls in play or something...
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ASwaffAll-American
1141 days ago
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Or giving up fewer fly balls that actually stay in the park.  ;)
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BU ICEMANJV Squad
1141 days ago
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I like the valiant attempt to try and really put some sort of numerical comparison of all the players, but it just seems like the All-Star Team (which should be re-named the All-Popularity Team) selections. All that's different is that the writers are doing the picking instead of the fans.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
1141 days ago
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What about Inge as a viable candidate. He looks like a brosius clone.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
1140 days ago
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-1 for that, seriously, check the zone rating link, that jeeves linked to above. Then click on 3rd basemen. Then see who is on the top of the list. Then shove your negatives in a sack mister.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
1140 days ago
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Or are you upset that I compared him to brosius? Not sure why. Brosius was a great defender, while being humble, yet scrappy and integral, piece of the Yanks WS runs.
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ASwaffAll-American
1140 days ago
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I put the minus because the suggestion is absolutely preposterous, and it's another glaring example of the short-coming of these metrics. He has the best ZR and RF, even though he's second only to Alex Rodriguez among AL third basemen in errors with 22. I'm sorry, but it takes some kind of bias to even suggest Brandon Inge is anywher even close to the same realm defensively as the likes of Eric Chavez, Joe Crede or even Mike Lowell.
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Davis21wylieMVP
1140 days ago
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Actually, Inge looks great by Range Factor, Zone Rating, FRAA (+22), even Tango's scouting report (he ranks 4th at 3B, behind only Rolen, Chavez, and Zimmerman. Stats Inc. said, "Inge is gifted defensively, both at catcher and third base. He has an exceptional arm and quick feet, and made several brilliant plays at third last season." I really can't understand why you're so upset about the implication that Inge is a good defender -- by all accounts, he's very good, or at least better than average. Frankly, errors don't really mean all that much; after all, to get charged with an error, you had to do something right: you actually got to the ball with a chance to make a play.
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ASwaffAll-American
1140 days ago
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Not necessarily. Sometimes errors come because a guy thinks he's so athletic he thinks he can make a play he can't make, resulting in an ill-advised throw. I'm not trying to knock Inge's defense. He's solid. I'm just saying he's not in the same class as those other third baseman. The way I look at it, he's the fourth-best in the AL, at best.
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Davis21wylieMVP
1140 days ago
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I would tend to agree on him being the fourth-best in the AL, behind Chavez, Crede, and Lowell for sure. But that's pretty good company, and we're ranking him over Beltre and Nick Punto, both of whom were pretty good last year as well (granted, Beltre is a lot better defensively than Punto). It's weird, Beltre/Inge kind of marks the dividing line between the good and the "ugly" when it comes to AL 3B; there aren't many players who would fall into the middle ground: Punto is average, and directly below him you've got Blalock, who's terrible. A-Rod is just a strange case, because everybody knows he has (or had, three years ago) the tools to be a great 3B. But, yeah, Inge as 4th-best, that sounds right -- and it's not bad when you remember the huge chasm between Beltre (who I would rank 5th) and everybody below him.
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
1140 days ago
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To not consider Inge at all in this conversation is the prime example of phoning it in. Funny, how you claim the notion of suggesting Inge at all is "preposterous" and "bias" when the whole point of your article was to consider other players who might be worthy. I think that's called irony?!?!?
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ASwaffAll-American
1140 days ago
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Yes, as in considering other players that DESERVE the award. I can name four third basemen that would be deserving of the Gold Glove before I'd name Inge. Like I said, I like him and he's solid, but he's not great.
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Davis21wylieMVP
1140 days ago
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Who's the fourth? Beltre?
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Anonymous Fanatic #4
1140 days ago
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i say let a-rod play third and short. then you can move jeter to the outfield and have a backup for giambi at first. haha.
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
1140 days ago
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I'd rather have a garbage can at third. At least then, Jeter could anticipate as to where the bounce would go, situate himself accordingly, and make the play. Put A-Rod in short-field where they always put the worst players. He'd probably do good there as he'd have extra time and has a good arm.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1140 days ago
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I say no matter WHAT the Yankees do, we'll all be hearing "Year 2000 clap-clap clap,clap,clap" for a Loooooooooong time!
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Anonymous Fanatic #4
1140 days ago
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or put a-rod at catcher!!! he would gun everyone out, although he can't catch a pop-up going away. haha.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1140 days ago
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It's not his fault. It's the stench blowing in from the swamps in Jersey... Way to jump on the A-Rod bandwagon, though...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1140 days ago
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The smell doesn't bother Jeter, he stinks all the time! (ESPECIALLY with that nasty perfume of his)
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
1140 days ago
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How about we use Manny as the baseball. Then I can whack him around as I usually do with pro-yankee/jeter rhetoric.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1140 days ago
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I'm too much of a screwball to be fielded cleanly. Plus I log-in too much...
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
1140 days ago
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Hmm, good pt. Maybe we grease you up ala Kenny Rogers with a little spit, pine tar or some other substance...Wait, scratch that, that sounds a bit too Kwir Eye.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1140 days ago
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I'm sure you have a supply ready, being a YANKee fan and all... Or maybe you can use 6 seasons of ringless tears to lube up with...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1140 days ago
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the only you can prove with "pro-Yankee rhetoric" is blatent bandwagonism... (unless you were born before 1920)
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Anonymous Fanatic #4
1140 days ago
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Anon#3- that was some funny. haha. Nobody is better than the NY Yankees. Manny did you dress up as Derek Jeter for Halloween?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1140 days ago
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Nah, I'm not a cross-dresser, nor is my mouth the exact same size of A-Rod's cup... NO ONE is better than teh Yankees? Gee, I think the Detroit Tigers could argue that pointless point... New York Yankees, First in spoutmouthed bandwagon fans, Seventh in place... 2000 clap clap clap
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Anonymous Fanatic #5
1140 days ago
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Manuel, Please. You love Derek Jeter and you love the Yankees. You never and I mean never stop talking about the Yankees. Next year should be a great one for the Yankees. Pride, Power, Pinstripes...
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Anonymous Fanatic #6
1129 days ago
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Good post!<a href="http://www.c....com/Gloves/" title="China gloves">China gloves</a>
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