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Cooperstown or Bust?

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by DNL

A made up player:

For the four years of his career, he rode the bench as a defensive replacement utility player. He amassed a decent group of stats -- he hit .315 over the span, with a total of 20 homers and 57 RBI. A few GMs thought he was the real deal, with his "four years" of stats being accumulated over what came out to be about one season of full-time play. And at age 26, he was given the chance to play full time. He didn't disappoint.

He racked up 250 homers over the couse of the next six years and knocked in over 750 runs. For those a bit slow with the calculator, that's a 42-homer, 125-RBI season -- on average. He won an MVP and was a five-time All-Star; ironically finishing second in MVP balloting the year he didn't make the Mid-Summer classic. In fact, he racked up a pretty incredible MVP voting record -- one win, three second places, a third, and a fourth. His other stats were good, too -- a career BA over .300; OBP over .380; SLG over .560. His .950++ OPS puts him just outside the top 20 all-time.

And then he hung them up, as off-season knee surgeries rendered him unable to compete. Many careers end at age 32; his was no diffferent.

Does he make the Hall of Fame?

I think so. It's close, but with a peak like that, who cares if his career was shortened? Consider this: His 3.96 MVP "shares" is 15th all time, and you have to go down to 28th (Dave Parker, 3.19) to find someone on the top MVP shares list who is eligible for the Hall but not in it. Sure, he has two contemporaries above him on the list, but he's also ahead of sure-bets like Ken Griffey Jr.. And while his 270 homers isn't a lot, it's more than Larry Doby, Hack Wilson, and Kirby Puckett, all players who had their respective careers shortened.

So, I leave it to you:

Cooperstown-worthy?

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KelsdadAll-Star
869 days ago
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That's not fair Dan. You always make us think. I thought the purpose of the site was to post useless dribble like Jamel and his co-horts. Dammit, now I have to actually do some work before I answer....@*#*^.
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KelsdadAll-Star
869 days ago
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Numbers are eerily similar to this guy, except he won two MVP's. You're examples are good ones, but Doby was elected in part because of his being the first black in the American League, Wilson was a Veteran's Committee selection, and Puckett because the writer's felt sorry for him.

There are others in the Hall elected despite a short career, and even some who in fact died young. But there are others who fit the same criteria who have no shot.

So I say no. And the fact he wasn't good enough to play as a regular his first four years is a factor as well. Most HOFer's, if not all, were regular players from day one.
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Confessions Of A FanaticDiv-I Stud
869 days ago
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The MVP shares statistic interests me. The fact that this player would stand 15th all-time is quite a feat. My question is did this player ever make the playoffs, and if so, did he win a World Series? Not to say that that should decide whether a player is in or out of the Hall, because Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken Jr., among so many others have proved otherwise, but it could only help his case. Even if I'm assuming that he did not make the playoffs during this span, I think he's still in. His career averages all speak for themselves. As I said before, a trip (or multiple trips) to the playoffs will only help his case, and maybe get him in sooner, rather than later.
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KelsdadAll-Star
869 days ago
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The thing with MVP shares is the average is higher because of the shortened career. So its not really an accurate reflection of how good he was, in fact, it overemphasizes his career.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
869 days ago
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Q - Did he do steroids?
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EnyboDiv-I Stud
869 days ago
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Good question. I say he doesn't get in based on speculation that he did steroids, just like MacGwire. Otherwise, how do you go from totaling 20 HRs over 4 years to averaging 42 over 6 years. I know it's only hypothetical, but in this day and age, this guy would have steroid controversy all over him.
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Deang929Waterboy
869 days ago
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Longevity is a major factor in determining HOF eligibility. This is really close, but I think the reason he doesn't get it is because of the way he went out. People aren't very sympathetic about degenerative injuries. If he died tragicly, then he would be in with those numbers for sure (not trying to be cynical, just honest).
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
869 days ago
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Q - Did his own manager prevent him from participating in an All-Star Game?
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TylersaltAll-Star
869 days ago
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I say he's in the Hall of Very Good, and maybe ends up being a Veteran's Committee selection to the HOF eventually.
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JuTMSY4Legend
869 days ago
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Voting is subject to writer's whims and timing...Kirby Puckett got in for those reasons...
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
868 days ago
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Jay Mariotti is actually a member of the voting panel. If that isn't a reason to overhaul (cough, cough like admin protocols...) the HOF election process then what is?
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DNLLegend
868 days ago
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As Tyrone guessed, I based the guy off Pujols, but added four fake years to add in the speculation of steroids element and to get him to eligibility. The fact is that Pujols was an afterthought before he hit the pros, and given that, it wouldn't have been unusual if he batted around as a utility guy for a few years. His one year in the minors -- mostly in A-ball, but a bit at AA and a week at AAA -- was good -- .314/.378/.543 -- and in 2001 (his rookie year) he played four positions basically evenly.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
868 days ago
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Bob Knight doesn't think much of Albert Pujols either. Just ask Bob Ryan!
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
868 days ago
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I say no. I think the Hall is watered down when you let guys like this into it. He had a nice few years, but the Hall of Fame is for all-time greats. I don't think that these numbers equate to an all-time great.
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Ea34Div-I Stud
864 days ago
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He's a borderline HOFer. Another MVP award plus 2 more good years would be enough to get him in.
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