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Clemens Named in Grimsley's Roid Squeal?

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The L.A. Times has reported that Astros pitchers Roger Clemens and Andy Pettite, and Baltimore Orioles' slugger Miguel Tejada were among the names blacked out in former MLB pitcher Jason Grimsley's now famous affidavit in which he is alleged to have named current and former MLB players using performance enhancing drugs. Reporters for the paper claim to have had access, through anonymous sources, to names publicly redacted from the affidavit. Grimsley, who last played for the Arizona Diamondbackes, furnished the affidavit to federal investigators after he was snared as a potential user in an ongoing FBI probe of the use of performance enhancing drugs in professional baseball. Also on the Times' list were lesser known players Brian Roberts and Jay Gibbons.




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  • LA Times


Date

Sun 10/01/06, 5:22 am EST


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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1137 days ago
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A simple solution - allow steroids. That way, you have none of this corruption, and since both pitchers and hitters get the same advantage, it would roughly cancel out in the records. If people want to cause themself harm in order to be the best, let them. I really hope that MLB doesn't go down that route.
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DNLLegend
1137 days ago
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You hope MLB doesn't take your simple solution?
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1137 days ago
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Yes - Because I'm not sure many people will like to watch a game where the people are saying, look, there are cheats. So to make it fair, everyone can cheat! I was just saying that that seemed the only easy way out of the mess baseball is in.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
1137 days ago
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The problem is, if a roider, e.g. Grimsley, said anybody's name, they would immediately be guilty in the public eye. And so, one admitted, convicted roider, can destroy the entire game.
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I am a cpcpMajor Leaguer
1137 days ago
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As much as I think all guilty parties should be punished, the list is too long and it really is MLB's fault, so I think they should drop the whole steroid investigation and start fresh with better rules and testing. If players get busted from here on out, then they get punished, but before 2006 is like the amensty day at the library where you can bring back you overdue books for free.
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RoblefkoLegend
1137 days ago
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I say we just give the Mets the 2000 World Series and call it even.
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False ProphetAll-Star
1137 days ago
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My Twins are still clean, minus a bullpen pitcher who we aren't even sure was suspened for steroids. Lets just skip to the World Series. Twins vs. Mets. Then everyone wins
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ASwaffAll-American
1137 days ago
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What position is he in to accuse Clemens and Pettitte? Did he even play with those guys? I didn't think he did. Sorry, but accusing those two takes away a lot of credibility in my mind. I've seen absolutely nothing in Pettitte that would make me think he's done steroids, and Clemens hasn't show the tell-tale injuries of a user of performance enhancers. The man's pitching well into his 40's and has been healthy almost without exception.
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JackdocJV Squad
1137 days ago
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Grimsley was on the Yankees' staff with Clemens and Pettitte in 1999 and 2000.
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ASwaffAll-American
1137 days ago
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Ah, okay.
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I am a cpcpMajor Leaguer
1137 days ago
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Clemens and Pettite have two signs of using 1)They're still pitching very well this late in their lives (more for Clemens 2)injuries (more for petitte)
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ASwaffAll-American
1137 days ago
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How is pitching well late into your career a sign of steroids? On those grounds, we could indict Glavine, Pedro, Maddux, Ryan and Paige. Anyone think those guys are/were on steroids?


I'll grant you injuries on Pettitte, although you still have to explain why his build hasn't changed and why he doesn't have the temperament generally associated with steroids. He's as even-headed a pitcher as I've seen. Not to mention that if you're going to use that argument, you have to explain why the only injury Clemens has really had is a nagging hamstring injury.
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ASwaffAll-American
1137 days ago
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How about Randy Johnson, Trevor Hoffman or Mariano Rivera? How about John Smoltz? Hey, Curt Schilling is an old guy that pitches well. I'm sorry, but that's a silly argument. Pithing well late into your career flies in the face of what we know about steroids. Steroids users generally have too many injuries to play that well late in their careers.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
1137 days ago
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i say test everyone, even baseball players that are retired. put all retired baseball players on trial, if they are found guilty, then all of their records are erased. including sosa, mac, bonds, sheff, giambi, etc... mlb made a huge mistake looking the other way, now they need to make up for it. records broken during this sad time in baseball history need to be corrected.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
1137 days ago
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Several points:

1. You will not get truth from anyone. History has shown that there as as many liars as there are cheaters. You could populate Seattle with both sorts from recent steroid era athletics. 2. Baseball did not have drug testing. Their bad. So, like all pitchers who cheated with spit balls, cut balls, tobacco juice balls, their records go in the book aling with everyone elses. (You cannot go back and erase all those UCLA basketball championships just because someone bought players for John Wooden 3. Institute testing NOW. Good testing. Get bio-profiles from all professional athletes. 4. And then know the best and brightest are out there drug cheating because they can beat the testing (HGH, IGF-1 etc. etc.)

That's the way it is!
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
1137 days ago
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It will be impossible to find teh truth in this story now. Which is why I have issues with MLB's steroid investigation currently. Its not possible to go back and dig up something from 4 or more years ago. It just opens too many pandoria's boxes. That being said, Clemmons may be some sort of an American hero, but many of the same reasons adn details people use against Barry Bonds can be applied to Roger Clemmons. Middle ages men should not be able to do what they do.
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ASwaffAll-American
1137 days ago
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No, not many of the same arguments. A few. Temperamental and achievement late in their careers are their only similarities. They end there.


Clemens was always large, he didn't suddenly bloom into an enormous guy. He hasn't had the health problems. And his late-life achievement can be attributed to a change in strategy, not a new-found power he never had before. As Clemens' fast ball lost some of its zip, he relied more on his devastating splitter. Clemens is not on steroids.
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The sharkDraft Pick
1136 days ago
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Actually, Clemens was NOT always large. Look at him his first 5 years in Boston. There has been a definite change in his body.
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ASwaffAll-American
1136 days ago
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He's gained weight, if that's what you mean. That's not abnormal for guys over the age of 40, even if they are in great shape. It's not the same kind of body change that guys like Bonds, Sosa or Bagwell experienced, where they went from lanky to enormous in a couple of years.
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J CunninghamVarsity Captain
1136 days ago
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In response to the original post, I know I care about Brian ROberts and Jay Gibbons. Just because they're not household names (though to be fair, Roberts did start on the AL All-Star team last season), doesn't mean they're inconsequential.

What bothers me, more than just simple steroid allegations as a whole, is that this now makes five Baltimore Orioles tossed into the steroids limelight. We had Rafael Palmeiro last year, David Segui (who admitted to using HGH a few months back), and now Tejada, Roberts, and Gibbons. Is it something specific to that team, or is it a sign that these drugs were so prevalent every team had several juicers?

As selfish as this sounds as an O's fan, I almost hope the latter. At least then I won't feel the need to find a new team to root for.
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TartanVarsity Captain
1135 days ago
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You guys all need to do some actual research on the effects of steriods, and what they really do to your body over time, and what they allow your body to do. Judging by the comments posted previously, not many really understand what occurs, especially to users of HGH, not just anabolic steroids.
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
1135 days ago
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i think at this point, we have to assume all baseball players are taking performance enhancing drugs...all players should be randomly tested or congress should remove baseball's anti-trust agreement which they clearly do not deserve anymore...
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