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Clemens, Bonds & Co. - Should They Stay Or Should They Go Now?

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by Mlnsports

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The Mitchell Report suggests that a whopping percentage of players are on steroids or human-growth-hormone (hgh). They include Bonds, of course, but also a few surprise guests, like Roger Clemens. What should happen to the steroids cheats?

Mitchell suggests that no one touches them. That we forget about the past and move forward.

A Little More Dirt Under that Rug?

Problem: Baseball has made its entire footing as a sport about the past. It is about records and great moments being written into the more than century-long history of the game called the National Pastime because of the significance of that past.

To avoid a rather ugly present, filled with millions of dollars of legal appeals and millions of words of condemnation by the media, and a backlash by the always contentious MLB Players Association (The PA), Mitchell is suggesting to Bud Light that he let bygones be bygones, so that the game can move forward.

That eliminated Mitchell from both my short list for the next Commissioner and my Christmas card list.

Lest we forget, media and fans alike, that this is really our game damn it! The owners and front office are stewards. The players are merely passers-through in the great flow of the game in its short, relative to the world, history.

Base-tille Day

Not since the French Revolution have there been so many opportunities for a good beheading.

Bonds will go first, of course, for lying his way through the grand jury in the Balco case's round one.

What about the rest of them? Giambi? Clemens?

Mitchell says: Let them eat cake. I say: Off with their heads!

I would like to think that the records of baseball, and the heroes that not only I grew up with, but my father grew up with, and his father before him, did not elevate the game to the level that they did LEGITIMATELY, only to see these overpaid, fat-headed CHEATERS overshadow them with better living through chemistry.

If Clemens juiced, then he's no better than Bonds. Or Pete Rose, for that matter. Cheating and breaking the rules of the game are the same for everybody. If you kick out Pete for betting on baseball, then you have to kick out these slimeballs too.

That is, if the game stil represents the character and ethics of America. Of course, if they don't then it might just represent the real character and ethics of modern America, and then, friends, we're all in a world of trouble.


Guard the Gates of Cooperstown Too

The Baseball Writers of America (BWAA) the first line of defense at the Hall of Fame, let McGwire know that steroids were going to keep him out of the Hall. I think that should be Clemens fate too, and Sosa, and anyone else who broke both the law, and the rules of baseball.

Job Training at the Burger King

As for the rest of the lot of liars and cheats that we have infesting the game, I have lost respect for each and every one. Every last one of them should be banned from the game for life. Period.

Of course, as with all things in baseball, it is a matter of money. Bud isn't going to cut his buddies' throats by terminating so many players, driving them into arbitration and court with their clubs.

He is just going to piss all over the fans and the independent media, who are going to rightfully call for all of them, and him, to exit the game that they have despoiled.

Um George, Over HERE?!

Mitchell is worried about the players and the clubs. Maybe he spent so much time in Northern Ireland that he forgot the biggest constituency he has to make happy: THE FANS.

They have been long dormant, watching all of this and grumbling modestly as they have patiently waited for some grown-up amongst the overgrown three-year-olds of baseball to emerge and put the house of baseball right.

Spine or Specialist?

Mitchell called for an independent drug czar to act like Internal Affairs for baseball. What a joke! If we had an independent commissioner, we wouldn't need a drug czar! The Commissioner's office would oversee testing, hire a lab to do it for them, and rule with an iron hand.

The Honorable Mr. Mitchell knows though, that Bud is nothing more than an owner in Commissioner's clothing, and that he has been unable to sway the PA into playing ball with them on drugs.

Get Out the Big Boot

So out they should go. All of them. Bud, Bonds, Clemens... There are legions of great players that have been bottled up in the minors that really are that good. You see them at some of the AAA+ development clubs like the Marlins and the Brewers. There are a lot of Hanley Ramirezes and Cameron Maybins waiting to break out on the scene.

Let these talented young players end the Steroids Era of baseball and sweep in a new era of clean ball.

Every club should clean house too, even if that means some of the top brass who have turned a blind-eye to the juice going bye-bye with Barry.

Wake Up, Joe Fan

Talk it up. Tell your club how pissed off you are. They need to hear the fan outrage, otherwise, as usual, they will bury everything and assume that no one will care.

CARE.

- Brian ROSS

Brian Ross is the senior editor of the nation's oldest sports e-zine, MLN Sports Zone. His editorials appear in the free publication the MAJOR BLOGS of Minor League News


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Anonymous Fanatic #1
716 days ago
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I'm so outraged, I'm gonna only watch clean sports for now. Can't wait to watch those NFL/NCAA Football games this weekend.
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MlnsportsVarsity Captain
715 days ago
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Watch minor league baseball. Testing is much tougher (50 games on first offense and kicked out on second.) Less problems in the below-the-forty-man roster, and they play a lot harder year-round, not just after August 30.
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KelsdadAll-Star
715 days ago
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The vast majority of steriod users caught HAVE been minor league players. Most of the players listed on the Mitchell report would likely have played their entire careers in the minors if not for steriods. You're right about the drug policy being tougher Brian, but Minor League baseball is far from clean.
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MlnsportsVarsity Captain
715 days ago
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The problem in Minor League baseball, on percentages, is still much smaller than in MLB only because of the larger volume of players. Still, we get about five to ten every year, and many of them without the means to buy the agents that they're using, so you have to ask yourself how are they getting their hands on the stuff. Wholly my own opinion after having spent a decade+ around the minors talking to players and trainers, but there are people in the system facilitating getting players on the stuff. Bigger and better is good for the boxoffice, after all. It is also clear that trainers who aren't directly participating are not turning in anyone. Nothing in the Mitchell report about holding them accountable yet, but I'm only up to page 269.
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FrugolfVarsity Captain
715 days ago
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Watch golf, Players call penalties on themselves.It's very refreshing to watch a sport that polices itself.
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MlnsportsVarsity Captain
715 days ago
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Sorry. Five to ten caught. I am very sure the number is higher, and that guys on the lower 40, who don't get the same testing, probably juice in a much much higher percentage because they're so close to crossing over.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
715 days ago
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Again, another great article and thanks for sharing with all of us.
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
715 days ago
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The problem is that most of the Mitchell report is pure hearsay, rumor and inuendo. While I can't say I oppose the listing of players any punishment based on anything but a positive test result or being caught with an illegal substance is simply not fair.
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JuTMSY4Legend
715 days ago
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but its not designed to prosecute... at face value MJD, what does the mitchell report mean?
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MetsJetsDevilsDraft Pick
715 days ago
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I agree. That was my point. I don't think it is fair to take any actions, whether that be suspending them or, unfortunately, banning them from the Hall of Fame. While I will always think of Roger Clemmens as a 'roider, I really don't have much more proof of it today than I did yesterday at this time (before the report came out). All I have is some dude saying he gave 'roids to him. That and a bucket full of ACTUAL evidence might be useful.
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MlnsportsVarsity Captain
714 days ago
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The Mitchell report is not "hearsay" if you READ it. I've just finished the whole 409 pages of it, and you are dead wrong. MLB and the Mitchell commission could both be sued for slander by releasing "hearsay" in the form of a report like this. The report includes a ton of first hand reports. Not "I heard from a friend that Giambi took drugs" but:

"We spoke with Ethan Stein, a former minor league player who played two seasons with Jeremy Giambi, 1996 in Spokane and 1997 in Lansing, and frequently trained and had occasional conversations with him in the weight room. Stein said that during one of those conversations in 1996, Giambi admitted that both he and his brother used steroids and told Stein that he could get him steroids. Stein responded that he was not interested. When Stein later saw Giambi during spring training in 1997, his physique had changed dramatically. He noticed increased muscular development, as well as hair loss and back acne."

That is first-hand, and is as incriminating as a jailhouse admission of a robbery. There is a lot of it in the report. It's homework gets an "A." It's cat-like conclusions get an "F"
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
714 days ago
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I will be the first to admit that I have yet to have the opportunity to read the Mitchell Report from beginning to end (will do sometime either this afternoon or tomorrow).

However, from what I have read (mind you - excerpts), it does appear that George Mitchell went to great lengths to be sure that these were the true words and accounts of those individuals that were interviewed and asked questions.

I will not suggest that everyone told Mitchell the gospel truth(whole truth, nothing but the truth...) but I do think people must remember and take into account that Mitchell had zero subpoena power.
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DNLLegend
714 days ago
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Mln -- you need to go back to law school :) The report is pure hearsay -- Radomski told Mitchell ________. Mitchell can't testify to what Radomski said. You need Radomski to testify to the facts. And even then, if Radomski were to testify that "Clemens told me that he bought steroids," that'd be hearsay (although potentially admissible hearsay).
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
714 days ago
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Not to engage in a debate over terminology (as I would clearly lose, my online degree for law has yet to arrive [j/k]) but how exactly was Mitchell supposed to collaborate anything said by any of his interviewed subjects when nearly every single player (with a few exceptions) refused to speak? Mitchell never had the benefit of being able to write "Radomski said that Player X purchased steroids on his own.... however when questioned Player X vehemently denied making such a statement...."??????
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JamelAll-American
714 days ago
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Everything about the Mitchell report was done extremely clever-- of course it's hear say- that way there is NO REAL evidence to be used against these players-- that's what they want-- it's a bullshit report just to make the "fans" feel like they are doing something about steroids-- Also about about the "integrety of the game" bullshit line- of course that was meant against Bonds- and I got no problem about that-
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
714 days ago
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My opinion might change after reading the report from start to finish but name one other person who would have done a better job with this investigation - under the same restrictive guidelines & parameters - than George Mitchell? Jay Mariotti is going bananas this morning. He is actually pissed off that Mitchell was unable to name Sosa. Sosa spends most of his off season in the DR. Did Facktard really think Mitchell would be able to incorporate Interpol into the investigation?
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JamelAll-American
714 days ago
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Mithcell did 100% what he was suppose to do-- which was write a report on hear say- that's what he did- he did a great job on producing a 409 page report that will be forgotten in..... say 7 days
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
714 days ago
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I would agree with you, especially since Mitchell mentioned about "moving forward" and not punishing players, however it was very odd that Selig would state that players might be dealt with on "case by case basis' which completely contradicted Mitchell's statement. Weird.
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MlnsportsVarsity Captain
714 days ago
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Without subpoena power the farthest you will go is first hand once removed, such as the Giambi example. The players were not compelled to cooperate. Maybe what is needed is for Congress to revoke baseball's legal monoopoly and to establish federal anti-doping standards for all sports. At that point the US Congress would have subpoena power that the MLBPA could not ignore.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
715 days ago
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There are thousands of professional baseball players, most of whom have no part of the steroid scandal. Your pathetic if your going to stop watching baseball just because a bunch guys, that we already knew took steroids, names are written in a report.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
715 days ago
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Ha ha, actually my post about football was SARCASM.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
715 days ago
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Perhaps it wouldn't be heresay, rumor or inuendo if some of these players spoke with George Mitchell.
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JuTMSY4Legend
715 days ago
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touche
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
697 days ago
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The PA put the word out not to do so. It would compromise their ability to negotiate other aspects of the CBA. The problem with Steroids is that they are tied directly to the Hatfields/McCoys fight that has been going on in baseball since the 1919 Black Sox scandal opened up the festering wound of player exploitation.
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JamelAll-American
714 days ago
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What I don't understand is why didn't each and ever player, trainer, whoever, just say that "Bonds made me do it"
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
697 days ago
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That would be perjury. Many of them aid and abet the players all on their own. Again, if you want clubhouses cleaned out, drop a roster spot for every positive test for the season, and fire any trainer on the spot and ban them for life if they don't report.
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