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Bonds deserves a spot in Cooperstown

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by user Pat Dean

At 42 years old, Barry Lamar Bonds is considered an antique in the realm of sports. Even though Bonds has alienated several of my fellow sports companions, they and I should appreciate what he provided the game of baseball with for two decades, whether he used the juice or not.

For starters, before reports came out linking him to steroids, he was already a Hall of Fame-caliber player. During his time with the Pittsburgh Pirates and his early years with the Giants, he had already won three MVP awards, which was tied for the most all-time. And if we look at the duration of his career he has won seven most valuable player awards. Yes count them. Seven of them. That's more than Michael Jordan, who many consider sports' ultimate athlete. And if anti- Bonds supporters still want to entice Bonds with the steroid cheater slogan, remember he was named Player of the Decade for the '90s by The Sporting News.

In addition, he is one of eight players, including his late father Bobby Bonds, to hit 30 home runs and steal 30 bases, displaying his meliorate game. Besides this, he has dominated defensively something he has not received much credit for by winning eight Golden Glove awards.

With all of these novel statistics, he should be a first ballot for Cooperstown, yet some voters on the Hall of Fame committee say that they will not franchise him in because of the steroid allegations. Hell, steroids do not give a person supernatural hand-eye coordination and ultimately do not make you Superman.

Voters, listen to me, the Hall has never been a museum for saints. It has racists, philanderers, players who used cork bats, spitters, and anything that they could get their hands on to have a significant advantage. So I say vote for Bonds. And while I might be a little off topic, get Pete Rose in too. I do not advocate steroids in anyway, shape or form, and do not want today's youth to feel the need to do so, but not putting Barry Lamar Bonds in Cooperstown and not giving him the credit he deserves is a slap in the face to the man, the game, and all of sports.

At the end of the day, the facts do not lie and that fact is that Bonds never tested positive for steroids. At 42 he could possibly hit 40 homeruns this season. Lets look pass the lackluster attitude and all the steroid rumors that have no evidence to support it and put the soon to be all time home run king in the hall.



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NCNative704JV Squad
894 days ago
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I agree with you. Bonds deserves a spot in the Hall of Fame. I'm tired of seeing people accused Bonds of using steroids when no tests prove it.
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KelsdadAll-Star
894 days ago
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So the fact he admitted it carries no meaning to you?
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
894 days ago
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Can we put the following on his plaque:

Would have made the Hall-of-Fame even before he increased his home run output in his later career. There were suspicions about his power increase at the end of his career and admitted to a grand jury that he used a cream that would later turn out to have performance enhancing drugs in it. Was never convicted of cheating or intentionally using performance enhancing substances.

If you'll put that on, maybe.
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Patrickburke1980All-American
894 days ago
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If Bonds has to have that on his plaque, same goes to every other player from this era. Don't forget to include on that plaque how thinned out pitching was to expansion as well as the how tiny all the new ballparks they play in are.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
894 days ago
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I will gladly put that on any plaque where a player admitted to unknowingly using steroids. Sheffield too. You do realize that expansion and thinned out pitching also thinned out hitters too, right? As for the small parks, no argument there. If Ruth played today, he'd have hit 1,000 home runs.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
894 days ago
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I might add that I think he should be in. You can't change it. But that doesn't mean we can criticize him for cheating, even if it was "accidental."
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Patrickburke1980All-American
894 days ago
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Did Sheffield ever admit publicly to taking steroids?
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
894 days ago
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Yes. He admitted to using the cream and clear and claimed he didn't know what was in them
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
894 days ago
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Oh, and steroids don't increase hand-eye-coordination, but they sure do turn balls hit to the warning track into homers. So don't pull that b.s.
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KelsdadAll-Star
894 days ago
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+++++ For Josh!!
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EkomVarsity
894 days ago
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I'll only give him +++ until he comes up with a plaque for Pete Rose too!
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
894 days ago
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"Charlie Freakin Hustle. Charlie Gamble too. Didn't gamble, but then he did. But didn't ever bet against his team. Never convicted of anything."
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
894 days ago
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"except tax evasion."
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EkomVarsity
894 days ago
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There really should be a (TEHOS) Tax Evasion Hall Of Shame!
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
894 days ago
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Yes, Bonds should be in the Hall. You can't just assume everybody else from the era was innocent, because they weren't. Bonds was easily the best player of the steroid era, an era in which we have no idea (for the most part) who did and didn't do steroids, and so he should be a no-doubt HOFer.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
894 days ago
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Uh, I think it is best for me to shutdown the computer, go home and call it a day.
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Patrickburke1980All-American
894 days ago
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Bravo. I couldn't agree with this article more.
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KelsdadAll-Star
894 days ago
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Hate to clue you on this manny, but Rose is worse than Bonds.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
894 days ago
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I don't agree with that. No one has ever claimed he bet against his team, nor has anyone tried, to my knowledge. Gambling is very very very wrong when you are a player or manager. That said, gambling didn't have anything to do with his 4,256 career hits. Pete Rose is definitely a sinner that should be in the hall, and so is Bonds.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
894 days ago
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Plus, gambling changes none of this:
  • Most career hits - 4,256
  • Most career games played - 3,562
  • Most career at bats - 14,053
  • Most career singles - 3,315
  • Most career total bases by a switch hitter - 5,752
  • Most seasons of 200 or more hits - 10
  • Most consecutive seasons of 100 or more hits - 23
  • Most consecutive seasons with 600 or more at bats - 13 (1968-1980)
  • Most seasons with 600 at bats - 17
  • Most seasons with 150 or more games played - 17
  • Most seasons with 100 or more games played - 23
  • Record for playing in the most winning games - 1,972
  1. Only player in major league history to play more than 500 games at five different positions - 1B (939), LF (671), 3B (634), 2B (628), RF (595)
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
894 days ago
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I absolutely agree. Rose bet on baseball, which threatens the ultimate integrity of baseball - that everybody on the field and in the dugout is trying as hard as they can to win the game. More importantly, Rose knew that the punishment for gambling on baseball was a lifetime ban from the game (and the Hall), and yet he did it anyways. There was no punishment for Bonds or anybody else for using steroids, so how can we punish them now for something they did 10 years ago?
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EkomVarsity
894 days ago
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Bonds vs Rose vs. Cooperstown is an article on it's own, that I have pained myself over writing or not... eventually if someone doesn't do it, I will. Pete Rose was a bigger minusing a-hole than Bonds, and certainly discredited the game in more ways, if that's possible!
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
894 days ago
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It would be an interesting and very challenging article to write. However, what is irrefutable is the fact that Pete Rose deliberately lied to the public concerning his bets on baseball and called out the baseball commissioner as a liar in the process as well. Then years later, Rose admits to his lie but seemingly only for the self-serving purpose to fruitlessly campaign for his election into the Hall of Fame. Perhaps the most damning indictment for me when discussing Pete Rose is that he bet on games as a baseball manager. Somehow that makes his faults even worse for me to accept. His job was to lead his players as a manager not simultaneously corrupt the integrity of the game. Kwitt11 is absolutely correct. Pete Rose knew the rules concerning gambling and broke them anyways.
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EkomVarsity
894 days ago
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no I meant - which player hurt the integrity of the game more? I want to say Rose for gambling, but Bonds has impacted society more because of the records... I give Barry the edge in the haircut department too...
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Patrickburke1980All-American
894 days ago
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Rose deserves to be in the Hall of Fame as a player regardless of what he did as a manager. Ban him from the game. Not the Hall of Fame.
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TartanVarsity Captain
893 days ago
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You guys need to get your facts straight on the history of Pete Rose and his ban before you makes statements like

"More importantly, Rose knew that the punishment for gambling on baseball was a lifetime ban from the game (and the Hall)"

That isn't even close to the truth.
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The oldest manVarsity
894 days ago
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No one has said Bonds doesn't have the stats for Cooperstown, because if you look at his stats before he played for SF he was right there in line for the Hall of Fame. But alas, it should be the Hall of Shame. His father is turning over in his grave and like Rose he was well aware of what may happen to him if he was discovered using illegal drugs for purposes of putting up numbers like he has since 99. If anyone doesn't believe he has knowing used steriods then I am truly sorry for them because anybody looking at his body and its changes since he started "rubbing in this unknown substance" either can't see very well or doesn't understand what steriods do for you. His whole demeaner has changed and balls that should have been outs became homeruns because the steriod use caused him to become stronger at 37-41 than he was at 21-34. I find it extremely interesting that he started this use after his father died or its effects really started to show up in his stats. First years in Pittsburg he was 185 lbs now he is 230+ and please don't go the weight training angle because it doesn't fit the crime. Selig knows and knew what was happening and just sat there and watched and waited until it has become so out of hand that maybe it has reached an uncontrolable stage. As fans we really can't do anything because if you write Selig he will not answer because I have tried a number of times and to this day haven't received any answers to my questions. If I am a writer and on the board for election to the Hall of Fame I won't vote for him or McGuire or Sosa or others who have improved their statistics for their future election into the Baseball Hall Of Fame.
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KelsdadAll-Star
894 days ago
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Barry's 73 HR season was 2001. To get as big as he was then, he had to have started the 'roids a couple years earlier at least. Bobby Bonds died 8/29/2003.
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Patrickburke1980All-American
894 days ago
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Bonds was visibly a much larger man by spring training 2000 than he was at the end of the 1999 season.
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KelsdadAll-Star
894 days ago
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The evidence has been there since day 1, Josh. He bet for and against the Reds. I'm aware of his stats, and his gambling on his own team, specifically to lose, renders them nonexistent.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
894 days ago
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In December 2002, Dowd told the New York Post that he had reliable evidence that Rose bet against his team but didn't include it in his 225-page report because of time constraints. He later backed off of those statements. "I was never able to tie it down," Dowd said. "It was unreliable, and that's why I didn't include it in the report. I probably shouldn't have said it. I was not trying to start something here."
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
894 days ago
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And as far as I'm concerned, augmenting your statistics with steroids negates them too. The real point is both of them have done horrible things that affect the integrity of the game. The degree to which is completely debatable because they are both essentially intangible (except bonds' stats are tangible figures). They both should still be in.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
894 days ago
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Additionally, how about this:

Although Dowd's official report claims "no evidence was discovered that Rose bet against the Cincinnati Reds," Dowd said he found evidence Rose would not bet on games in which, as manager, he used Bill Gullickson and Mario Soto as starting pitchers.

That's from here btw: http://sport...mp;type=lgns


The investigator said that He bet when he thought they'd win, and didn't bet when they thought they'd lose. Id it really really wrong? Yes. Is it betting against your team and throwing games? No. Dowd clearly states there is no evidence of him throwing games.
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KelsdadAll-Star
894 days ago
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I don't think that matters much. If he bet against the Reds because Soto wasn't pitching, then he's throwing the game without doing anything..profiting off a subpar pitcher. And I'm sure he did throw games intentionally, although it probably couldn't be proven. Leaving in a pitcher one hitter too long. Using a lefty pinchhitter against a lefty pitcher instead of a righty. Calling for a double steal with the slower guy the lead runner. All subtleties of the game the manager has control of, but a player doesn't. It took eight White Sox players, including their two best pitchers and two of their better hitters to throw a series, a manager can throw one game easily.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
894 days ago
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Except at this point, some bookie, somewhere would have come forward, just for the fame, to prove it. And he didn't bet against the Reds because Soto was pitching, he just didn't bet at all.
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RomiezzoLegend
894 days ago
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Barry Bonds? Hall of Fame? I'd like to think so. I'm so sick and tired of critics talking about Barry Bonds. He definitely deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. The only 500 500 man in history, and you're gonna leave him out? That would be ridiculous.
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RomiezzoLegend
894 days ago
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Having said your statements, Pat, I'm wondering, would you say that Mark McGwire should be hall of famer? Sammy Sosa? Rafael Palmeiro? I know, Bonds had higher achievements than all of these players, but if everyone realizes that if these guys got into the HOF, and THEY took steroids, why can't I? Won't that send a message to young players who will soon arrive in the MLB as well as MLB players today?
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
894 days ago
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Not really, because they're testing for steroids right now.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
894 days ago
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They're testing for the steroids they CAN test for. Not testing for HGH. Not testing for any number of new designer items. Not testing for blood doping. Not testing for tons of things the players can do.
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TartanVarsity Captain
893 days ago
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Those other guys mentioned weren't that good. Sosa was, but McGwire and his .260 whatever lifetime average. Not that good. Even Reggie Jackson has a higher average.
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
893 days ago
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Rose's lifetime BA isn't that great (.303), and he didn't hit for any power. The only reason he got so many hits is that he played forever. I'd take McGwire over Rose any day. I'd probably take Rose over Sosa b/c he played the infield and his OBP is significantly higher, but it's close.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
894 days ago
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Balco Bonds belongs in the Cheater's Hall of Fame. He had Hall of Fame numbers already but he never had that many hits in a season so that is why it is taking him so long to reach 3000 hits. He never had more than 181 hits in a season and only had more than 160 twice in his career. He will probably play another year since it is unlikely he will get 98 more hits since he only has 61 hits with season half over.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
894 days ago
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Bonds couldn't stand McGwire getting the pub so got on the roids so he could be in the spotlight...he may have overdone it hitting 73 home runs which really sounded suspicious considering he only had 34 two years before. Before he hit 49 in 2000 he had in the previous four years seen his homers decline from 42-40-37-34 and then next you know he is hitting 49-73-46-45-45. No amount of physical conditioning is going to increase his head size and shoe size which went from 10 1/2 to size 13.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
894 days ago
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Kelsdad...great point about manager having control of game...it would be like a manager leaving Jeff Weaver in for a few more innings even though he is losing by 7 runs to "save the bullpen" when he is more concerned about winning the bet and increasing his bank account.
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Kwitt11Varsity Captain
894 days ago
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Even if Pete Rose never actually threw a game or anything like that, he put himself into a position where that could have happened somewhat easily. That's why the rule is there.
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JoshkrossDraft Pick
894 days ago
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I agree with that. That said, no one has ever proved he did throw again, or even bet against his team, and there is massive incentive to prove that he did so. That's why I believe he didn't. And what he did as a gambling-addicted manager doesn't change his stats.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
894 days ago
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With the competitiveness of Rose I can't see him betting on his own team but since he had the power to control some aspects of the game it had to be tempting for him to bet on his own team.
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The oldest manVarsity
893 days ago
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Rose has already admitted betting on his own team. Remember gambling is a disease and has to be treated as such. He will not accept the fact that he is sick and even today doesn't feel he did anything wrong by betting whether it was on baseball, basketball or football or whatever. We can give Rose enough that I believe he wouldn't throw a game to win a bet. Rose will go down in history as a drug addicted betting player and manager and regardless of his stats, which to say the least, should allow him to become a member of the Hall of Fame may never be allowed in the Hall because of the one underlying fact he lied to everyone about his gambling problems and who knows what he did or didn't do during his playing/manager years. Pete Rose has always thought of himself as bigger than baseball for as long as I can remember and that goes back over 88 years..
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JamelAll-American
893 days ago
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No way in hell Rose or Bonds should EVER been in the hall of fame. Lying sons of bitches!
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The oldest manVarsity
885 days ago
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Jamel, I couldn't agree with you any more....Except I think I would have stated it with a few more colorful words, phrases, expressions and told them that they won't get into the Hall until Hell Freezes Over. or something along those line...hee hee hee
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RomiezzoLegend
885 days ago
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Barry Bonds: 750+ homers. How many home runs do you think he would've hit without steroids? 25? He still has a lot of power to hit home runs, even if he used performance enhancing drugs. The dude still hustles, and still steals bases when pitchers least expect it, and more importantly, when the team needs him in scoring position rather than on first base. He's the only 400-400 man, and the only 500-500 man as well. Bonds should definitely be in, no matter what anyone says, IMO. He's just had a career better than anyone, almost, and leads in almost every offensive category, or is at least in the top 5-10.
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