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Blue Jays and the Playoffs? In a word, No Way!

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by user The shark

This weekend, the Toronto Blue Jays went to south Florida to play a 3-game series with the AAA Florida Marlins. The result? The Jays came out of it without a win. The result of this 3-game series is not the reason that I'm confused by all of the "watch out for Toronto" talk I've been hearing lately. But it does serve quite nicely to accentuate my point. That point is this: this is not a playoff-caliber team. Period.

Granted, they are better this year. A lot better. In fact, this is arguably the best team they've had in Toronto since Joe Carter's mammoth walk-off blast brought a second straight title to the Great White North in 1993.

Vernon Wells seems poised to make a run at an MVP Award, Alex Rios is making a case for himself as the most exciting young player in the American League, Troy Glaus is on pace for a splendid season. And ex-Red Sox Shea Hillenbrand is producing as consistently as he ever has. As a team, the Jays own one of the most dangerous offenses in all of baseball. They lead the AL in batting average, home runs, and slugging percentage. Obviously, the reason for my skepicism is not the offense.

The issue here is the pitching. Outside of Cy Young Award winner Roy Halladay (8-2, 2.94) and shut-down closer B.J. Ryan (17/18 saves, 0.53), this team has massive question marks. Remove those two guys from the picture and Toronto's team ERA is 5.45 which is good for 13th out of 14 in the AL (just ahead of the Kansas City Royals). Ted Lilly (6-7, 4.12), rookie Casey Janssen (5-5, 4.50), raggedy-armed Josh Towers (1-8, 9.00), and Gustavo Chacin (6-2, 5.61) are all extremely dicey propositions. Lilly, Towers, and Chacin have combined to surrender 40 longballs between them already this year.

The bullpen does not look any better. Besides Ryan and Justin Speier (2.73), there isn't an ERA in the group below 4.68 (Taubenheim). In fact, there are 6 relievers who have thrown 19 innings or more with an ERA over 5.00. That's, quite simply, not going to get it done.

This is a team with a very strong offense, and really subpar pitching. For that reason, this team will not even come close to the playoffs this year. But hey, there's always next year.

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Mon 06/19/06, 4:09 am EST

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The sharkDraft Pick
1242 days ago
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Add to the mix that they have 38 games against the Yankees and the Red Sox.
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DNLLegend
1242 days ago
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I'm pretty sure "No Way!" is more than "a word" *grin*

Seriosuly, though, there's no way the Jays can survive the long haul. The AL East is very good, with even Baltimore and TB being able to scare teams and put up a fight. The Jays simply can't win enough games to come in second in the AL East, which precludes them from making the playoffs. And even if they magically do win enough games to finish #2, the WC isn't going to be easy to get, with two very hot AL Central teams as the early leaders.

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JuTMSY4Legend
1242 days ago
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You're counting this team out way to early. THeir last 12 games are against the Yankees, Red Sox and Tigers, which certainly puts them in the right position to take the division. Prior to that they face the indians, mariners, angels and devil rays, which should help them bulk up the win total. I agree, I don't see this team in october, but they could easily reel off a ton of wins when it matters the most.
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XinophDraft Pick
1228 days ago
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No, they're not. There's no way this team is getting to the playoffs this year. They'll improve, but not the playoffs.
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The sharkDraft Pick
1242 days ago
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Their pitching is not good. The longer the season wears on, the more it will be exposed. And I wouldn't be surprised to see their offense cool off for stretches, as well.
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Awrigh01All-Star
1242 days ago
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I tend to agree with the Shark here. Looking at how Beckett adjusted to the AL East, I don't suspect that A.J. will be that effective when he returns. Halladay is a bona fide ace, but I don't think the rest of their starting 4 will get the job done.
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The sharkDraft Pick
1242 days ago
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Good point - I didn't even mention the 55 million dollar man. I would be very surprised is Burnett is anything but average for the rest of this season. I believe he will have some great starts and maybe even a good career in Toronto but I don't think his impact this year will be overwhelmingly impactful or positive. But he is better than everyone else but Halladay.
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The sharkDraft Pick
1242 days ago
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Did I just use the term "impactful impact"?! Oh my...I need some sleep. lol
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ChristofMVP
1242 days ago
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I can see the Blue Jays making the playoffs this year. Look at the inuries the Yanks have suffered so far. Any more injuries would mea the end for the Yanks. Also, will they have enough left in the tank already. Blue Jays may not win the division, but they can easily take the Wild Card spot.
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XinophDraft Pick
1228 days ago
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You can, Christof? What part of Toronto are you from? Or, who are you related to who plays for them?
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ChachiOSUDraft Pick
1242 days ago
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No offense Shark, but the Blue Jays team ERA is actually better than the Red Sox with an equal WHIP and a lower OBA.
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The sharkDraft Pick
1242 days ago
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The Sox bullpen has been by-and-large awful this season (save for Papelbon and Timlin) but their ERA is skewed somewhat by one bad pitcher (Clement - 6.61) and 3 bad outings by Beckett. You can't tell me that you think the Jays have a better staff - top to bottom - than the Sox. Can you?
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ChachiOSUDraft Pick
1242 days ago
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No, I think they are about even actually.
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The sharkDraft Pick
1242 days ago
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If you take out Halladay and Ryan (God forbid either one get injured), this staff's ERA is worse than EVERY tean in MLB except the Royals. That is way too top heavy to be effective. Basically, expect a good performance every fifth game and hope your offense out-hits the other team the other four days. That is not a confortable scenario for team with playoff aspirations.
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ChachiOSUDraft Pick
1242 days ago
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It is fun when you skew the numbers in your favor. Let's take the arguement you just made about removing Halladay and Ryan and flip it onto the Red Sox. If you remove Schilling and Papelbon (God forbid one of them gets hurt) you will see the team ERA balloon to 5.42. The Blue Jays without Halladay or Ryan is 5.46. Seems like the Red Sox and the Blue Jays are in the same boat to me. The Yankees on the other hand, minus Moose and Rivera, would still have a team ERA of 4.70. I think the Yankees staff is better off than most think.
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The sharkDraft Pick
1242 days ago
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The Yankees have also had the luxury of playing all 6 of their scheduled Royals games already this year.
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The sharkDraft Pick
1242 days ago
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I would rather have the Sox staff over the Yankees all day. I may give the Yanks the nod over the Jays, however. They really are that bad.
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The sharkDraft Pick
1242 days ago
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There's something to be said about having two World Series MVP's in your rotation.
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ChachiOSUDraft Pick
1242 days ago
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Yankees starters this year - 30-17, 4.61 ERA. Boston starters - 28-23, 4.98 ERA. I'll take the Yankees.
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The sharkDraft Pick
1242 days ago
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I didn't realize how much I was enjoying your weekend sabbatical from posting until about 10 minutes ago. Ah, well...
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ChachiOSUDraft Pick
1242 days ago
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You were only enjoying it because I'm winning this arguement right now.
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The sharkDraft Pick
1242 days ago
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Why don't you post an article about how great the Yankees pitching is instead of polluting a Blue Jays article with it?
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ChachiOSUDraft Pick
1242 days ago
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I just threw in the Yankees as comparison with the Blue Jays and Red Sox. You threw in that you would take Boston's starters over New York's. I just put out some numbers to contradict you.
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The sharkDraft Pick
1242 days ago
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Actually you brought up the Red Sox AND the Yankees. I didn't bring up either one. This was a column about the Jays, plain and simple.
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The sharkDraft Pick
1242 days ago
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Are the Blue Jays going to make the playoffs or not?
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ChachiOSUDraft Pick
1242 days ago
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Absolutely not. The bats will cool and the pitching isn't there. The wild card looks like it will come out of the AL Central and you know the Sox or the Yanks will win the East.
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The sharkDraft Pick
1242 days ago
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Thank you.
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The sharkDraft Pick
1242 days ago
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So you basically agree with the content of the article. It took a while but we finally got there.
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ChachiOSUDraft Pick
1242 days ago
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I agree with it, but with a addendum: Red Sox pitching is just as bad.
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The sharkDraft Pick
1242 days ago
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Noted.
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SteaksammichRed-Shirting
1242 days ago
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I completely agree with your point, but I don't agree with how you got to that point. By your arguement the Red Sox are also doomed. They were just swept by the Twins and if you take away Schilling and Papelbon you're basically left without a pitching staff.
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The sharkDraft Pick
1242 days ago
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Chachi is the one who thinks the Sox are doomed. I believe that even though the pitching stats are similar to the Jays, the big difference between these tow teams is experience. The Sox have been there before. These Jays haven't. I also believe that the Sox numbers will improve over the course of time - they are just better and more proven players. I don't see the Blue Jays' numbers improving.
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