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Best Players by Position NOT in the Baseball Hall of Fame

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by Joebook

Let me begin by saying that I don't believe that all of these players should be inducted. These are simply the best players at their position that aren't enshrined.

I will not include players who are retired, but not yet eligible. I'd like to give the player a chance to be passed on before putting him here.

I also will not include Pete Rose, because he signed a lifetime ban from baseball and I think he should shut up and honor that. Fodder for another topic?

These are the best by position not in Cooperstown --

C -- Ted Simmons -- He was solid as a rock behind the plate for the Cardinals in the 70s, and became one of the best offensive catchers in history. He finished with almost 2500 hits and 1400 RBI, and hit .269 or better in every full season between 1971-83. Simmons racked up 483 career doubles, and ranks 15th all-time with 188 intentional walks. Simmons was an All-Star eight times and deserves a spot in the Hall of Fame.

1B -- Steve Garvey -- I'm a big fan of Garvey's consistency with periods of brilliance. He hit .280 or better 13 times, and finished his career with 2599 hits. Garvey was an All-Star ten times, won four Gold Gloves and was the MVP of the NLCS in 1978 and 1984. The 1974 NL MVP also reached 200+ hits six times. Garvey was a career .338 hitter in the playoffs, including a .417 mark in the 1981 World Series. He deserves to be honored in Cooperstown.

2B -- Frank White -- I'm sure this pick will be argued, but White was the best defensive 2B in many years, and had a good enough bat to stay in the lineup. He drew comparisons to Ozzie Smith, although he wasn't as consistent with the lumber. Nevertheless, he made it to 2000 hits and won eight Gold Gloves. White was a member of the 1985 World Series Champion KC Royals, in which he hit .250 with a home run and six RBI. I don't think White belongs in the Hall, but he was a fantastic ballplayer.

SS -- Alan Trammell -- Trammell was a grinder, in the truest form of the word. He put up great career numbers without having many spectacular seasons. He was also a four-time Gold Glove winner at short, and formed a great double play combination with Lou Whitaker. Trammell finished with 2365 hits and was named the 1984 World Series MVP after hitting .450 with six RBI. He accrued 236 stolen bases to go with his six All-Star games. He's a borderline HOF player.

3B -- Ron Santo -- It's easy to pick Santo, who receives more pub for a Hall of Fame push than anyone I've seen, but I had a hard time finding someone better. In fact, I think he was a better player than Brooks Robinson. Santo was in the All-Star game nine times and owns five Gold Gloves. His career ended at age 34 with 2254 hits and 342 home runs, and deserves his spot in the Hall. It might take some time, but he'll get there.

OF -- Jim Rice -- He was simply one of the most feared hitters of his time. For every 162 games he played, his averages were 30 HR and 113 RBI. Rice was the 1978 AL MVP who led the league in home runs three times, total bases four times and RBI twice. He played in eight All-Star games and hit .280 or better 12 times. His 1978 season remains one of the top offensive seasons in history. He belongs in the Hall of Fame.

OF -- Andre Dawson -- Hawk was a five-tool player who excelled in the field to complement his tremendous bat. He finished with 2774 hits, 438 home runs and 314 steals, and won eight Gold Gloves to go with his eight All-Star appearances. He's the only player to win an MVP award on a last place team, capturing the title in 1987 with the Cubs. Dawson was the rare combination of speed and power that so few players had. He deserves an induction speech.

OF -- Albert Belle -- I know that I've already opened this can of worms, but find a better hitter that isn't in the Hall. Belle was devastating during his ten full seasons, averaging 40 HR and 130 RBI for every 162 games played. Had he kept his health, he would have easily cleared 500 HR and 500 doubles. Belle was the premier right-handed power hitter of the 90s, and hit six HR in 18 career postseason games. I'm one of the few that believes Albert belongs in the Hall of Fame

SP -- Jim Kaat -- He pitched in 25 different seasons and compiled 283 wins. What's most impressive about Kaat is that he won 16 consecutive Gold Gloves on the mound. Kaat was never a dominant pitcher, but he was effective well into his 40s and ranks 29th all-time in wins. His 3.45 ERA isn't great, but he deserves to be on this list because of his superior fielding and above average pitching. He's a borderline HOF player who should be recognized as an excellent player.

SP -- Bert Blyleven -- Bert's another guy who had a long, successful career. He wasn't a dominant arm for many years, but his longevity led to 287 wins and 3701 strikeouts. He ranks ninth all-time in shutouts and games started, and posted a 5-1 record with a 2.47 ERA in eight postseason appearances. Blyleven is another borderline HOF player, and I think he'll eventually get in.

SP -- Ron Guidry -- There are probably pitchers who had longer, more full careers, but Guidry was the best in the business during the late 70s and early 80s. His 1978 season ranks among the best in history, and he was awarded the Cy Young award that season. Guidry twice led the league in wins, and was 5-2 in the postseason, 3-1 with a 1.69 ERA in the World Series. Guidry won't get in the Hall, but he was a dominant force during his time.

RP -- Lee Smith -- He's the all-time leader in saves, and he's not in the Hall? Smith averaged almost a strikeout per inning for his career, and appeared in seven All-Star games. He ranked in the top three in saves nine times, and has finished more games than anyone in history. Smith absolutely belongs in Cooperstown, and he should get there soon.


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Tue 07/25/06, 4:22 pm EST


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Bball3345Draft Pick
1241 days ago
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Blyleven is the one guy on that list who DEFINITELY deserves to get in.
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SteaksammichRed-Shirting
1241 days ago
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Agreed. I still can't figure out why he's not there. They say he's very good, but not great. Well, how many years do you have to be very good before they consider you great? Because he was very good for a very long time.
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DNLLegend
1241 days ago
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Yep, see Template:Bert in Hall Fan. It's not close! :)
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Twins15Varsity Captain
1240 days ago
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Just an absolute crime. Bert's probably one of the top 25 pitchers ever.
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Bobbyjim45Draft Pick
1241 days ago
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It's a travesty that Rice isn't in the HOF.
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The sharkDraft Pick
1241 days ago
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Agreed. Rice and Dawson belong in more than anyone else on that list.
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The sharkDraft Pick
1241 days ago
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Ron Santo definitely belongs in the Hall-of-Fame of most annoying baseball broadcasters.
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TartanVarsity Captain
1241 days ago
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Dave Concepcion is another borderline HOF SS. 9 All-Star games, 5 Gold Gloves, 2 Silver Slugger Awards, All-Star game MVP in 1982, member of 2 World Championship teams, quite the player for the Big Red Machine. He was the NL counterpart of Trammell for most of his career, and finished with more stolen bases and slightly lower offensive numbers.
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JoebookRed-Shirting
1241 days ago
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I considered Concepcion, but Trammell's career looked a little better. Davey was the #2 SS on my list.
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Jgov05All-American
1241 days ago
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Where's Pete Rose?
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SteaksammichRed-Shirting
1241 days ago
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If there's one thing I hate, it's people who comment before they bother to read what they're commenting on. Well....there are actually a lot of things I hate. But that's one of them.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
1241 days ago
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I agree. Even though he says this is fodder for a different conversation, I think the list becomes silly if you start making caveats. Rose is the best player PERIOD not in the hall of fame. Any list like this without him, caveat or not, isn't worth the paper (or website) it is written on.
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Jgov05All-American
1240 days ago
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Though I didn't read the article before making my opinion, I do think Rose is the answer to the question that the title asks. He is the best player not in the HOF.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
1240 days ago
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take it easy steak...
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TartanVarsity Captain
1241 days ago
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DNLLegend
1241 days ago
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Oh, and how is Dwight Evans not on this list? He's the best batter not in the Hall, maybe now second to Belle, but probably not.
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The sharkDraft Pick
1241 days ago
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Evans was not a better batter than Rice. C'mon, now.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1240 days ago
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When I think of Dwight Evans I think of crab cakes in the inner harbor.
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DNLLegend
1240 days ago
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They're close. Both .850 OPS guys, and Evans slight deficiency there is mitigated by the fact that his OBP was higher. Evans was also a gold glove right fielder.
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JoebookRed-Shirting
1240 days ago
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Evans truly only had four or five HOF offensive seasons. If his bat was a little bigger, he would have made the list. He's one of the top-6 OF not in.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1241 days ago
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Fred McGriff and Goose Gossage over Garvey and Lee Smith ANYDAY/EVERYDAY; got room for Dale Murphy?
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JoebookRed-Shirting
1240 days ago
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Manny -- Crime Dog isn't eligible yet. I think the all-time saves leader deserves a spot. I strongly considered Goose... he was the next guy on my RP list.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1240 days ago
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I understand your theory about career totals...but Goose was WAY more dominant than Lee Smith EVER was.. Are you going to put John Franco and Jeff Reardon in too?
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JoebookRed-Shirting
1240 days ago
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It depends on what you mean by dominant. Smith was pretty dominant too, with his strikeout numbers and high save totals. He wasn't a "lights out" guy, but he was consistent. 25+ saves for 13 straight seasons is impressive. I'll take Goose with me into the Hall too... I only had room for one.
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ChristofMVP
1241 days ago
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What is with the love for Albert Belle? Please. He was good, but he was not HOF material.
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WeinbdaSoccer Kid
1240 days ago
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This isn't an article on Rose, but what the heck: Leaving him out is like leaving Kareem out of the NBA Hall of Fame. And Rose should be in. So he gambled. An activity which should be completely decriminalized in the US, not randomly penalized (if you do it in Vegas, you're OK, if you do it online, you're a crook). Nor is this activity performance enhancing or alterting, opposed to, say all the big hitters in the 90s pumping roids, or half the players on the World Champion Italian team fixing league games.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1240 days ago
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He pitched Mario Soto (and may have left him in too long) on days he bet against the Reds... clearly he had something to gain by mishandling his pitchers... I also think he should still go in the Hall of Fame. The Hall of Fame is about baseball, not MLB...
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TartanVarsity Captain
1240 days ago
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Rose has never admitted to betting against the Reds, and he most likely never will. And to address the issue at the head of the article, yes Rose signed a ban from the game, but was not intentioned to be a lifetime one, and it certainly at the time did not include the HOF. The HOF voted to not allow banned players after Rose signed, so he a legitimate gripe, seeing how that practice is illegal in normal legislative roles, but baseball can do what it wants. Rose signed a ban with the contention that Major League Baseball would find no finding of fact in its investigations and those investigations would cease, Rose was also permitted to apply for reinstatement after one-year. The outgoing comissioner, Peter Ueberroth, and incoming comish Bart Giamatti had agreed to this. Giamatti then reversed stances, undercutting the agreement alleging Rose did indeed bet on baseball, and making his ban permanent. Only 8 days later, Giamatti unexpectedly died, along with him many believe his intentions of removing the lifetime ban on Rose after he had to suffer a little bit. This all occured in 1989. In 1991, the 12 Directors of the Hall of Fame voted unanimously to not allow banned players (read: Rose) from the Hall, however he still received 41 write-in votes in the 1992 ballot. The Hall of Fame remains removed from MLB, hence the induction of Negro League players and the players form the American Association and the like from the early days of baseball. So he did not and has not agreed to a ban from the Hall of Fame
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DNLLegend
1240 days ago
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If you want to argue for Rose, it's not like you can't write an article. Why not do that instead of change the subject of the thread?
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TartanVarsity Captain
1240 days ago
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I didn't start the arguement for Rose, I'm just trying to clarify everyone
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1240 days ago
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MLB has probably told the Hall that funding could easily be redirected and they complied. When Vitamin M talks, people do dirty deeds.. Tartan - you made it onto my list (of people that seem to have a brain) DNL - as always, you are wise beyond conventional wisdom!
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Anonymous Fanatic #3
1240 days ago
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Did you really just say that you think Santo was a better player that Brooks Robinson? You follow that up by saying Santo won five gold gloves and was an all star nine times. Robinson was named to 18 consecutive all star games and he has 16 gold gloves which is a record for any position he shares with Jim Kaat. He also won the AL MVP and the World Series MVP. Santo was a very good player, but he is not Brooks Robinson.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1240 days ago
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damn it! I swear I was logged in ^^^^
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1240 days ago
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Oh, I was... That wasn't me, I am logged in above... whew... thought I was nuts for a minute.
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JoebookRed-Shirting
1240 days ago
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Manny -- in the time that they played, I do believe Santo was better than Brooks. The difference is in the offensive numbers. Brooks had longevity, which Ronnie didn't. During their careers, Brooks averaged 15HR 76RBI and 69R for every 162 games, while Santo was at 25HR 96RBI and 82R. Santo's career batting average, OBP and slugging were all better than Brooks. I'll give you the Gold Gloves and the All-Star games, but those are both voted on, rather than earned. I'll take Santo in his prime. I'm not saying Brooks doesn't belong in the Hall, but Santo does.
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Anonymous Fanatic #4
1240 days ago
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I didn't post as anonymous, sorry...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
1240 days ago
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Damn it! I have issues... I NEVER said Santo was better than Brooks... for that much, I don't have brain damage... Santo is a nice player but NOT HoF worthy
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BWWWaterboy
1240 days ago
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Santo? Hall of Fame? Hmmmm? No. (At least I thought about it). Santo better than Brooks Robinson? No way in hell!
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Bleeding GreenVarsity
1239 days ago
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I was actually happy to see this list. I really don't see one of these guys that belong in the hall.
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