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Be Consistent Curt

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by Tyduffy

In what probably does not come as a shock to most baseball fans, Curt Schilling, once again, has opened his rather ample oral cavity. This time, he does speak some sense. During an interview with Bob Costas, Schilling chastizes both Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire for using steroids. He asks Costas the rhetorical question, "If someone wrote that stuff about me and I didn't sue their butt off, am I not admitting that there is some legitimacy to it?" He has a fair point, and one that is not brought out often enough. A refusal to challenge a statement does, in the court of public opinion, count as a tacit admission of wrong doing. Contrary to what John Kruk and others will spout, this should be good enough evidence that Bonds was taking performance enhancing drugs. That statement, taken alone, is a perfectly valid one to bring up.

However, as Curt is prone to do, he also overstepped his boundaries just a bit. When asked about Jose Canseco (an admitted steroid user), Schilling states, "Everything that he ever did should be wiped clean. I think his MVP should go back and go to the runner up." Schilling takes a hard line with Canseco, stating that his entire career should be wiped off the map. Assuming that this is because Canseco used steroids and not just because he is an odious human being, than Curt would, to be consistent, have to say that about every player, including teammates.

The hero of Curt's 1993 Phillies' team was Lenny Dykstra. He lead the league in hits, walks, and runs, and doubled his previous home run total, finishing 2nd to Barry Bonds in NL MVP voting. A former body-builder and convicted drug dealer made a sworn statement that Dykstra used steroids. Another column alleges that Dykstra's steroid supplier "hung out with about half the team(1993 Phillies)" and that Dykstra made jokes about having some "good vitamins" while putting on 30lbs of muscle in the early 90's. If we get conclusive evidence that Dykstra, and potentially others on that Phillies team, were using steroids, should their World Series appearance be wiped off the map?


Or how about Luis Gonzalez on Curt's 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks World Series team? Gonzalez had one of the best seasons any player has had in recent memory that year. He hit .325 with 57HR and 142 RBI. He had only hit over 30HR in one other season (31 in 2000). Until 1998, Gonzalez had never hit more than 15HR. Yet, suddenly at the age of 31 he develops a power stroke hitting 23 or more home runs in seven of the next eight seasons, including the 31HR and 57HR years at age 33 and 34 respectively. Perhaps its not fair to pin the tail on a guy who has not been linked by any evidence (besides a numbers spike and looking like the Incredible Hulk), but if any evidence implicated Luis, would Curt be the first one running to hand back his World Series ring?

There are two statements from Schilling's interview that are telling. One, is him saying the (steroid) problem was "grossly overstated." Another was his comment, when asked how widespread steroid use was, that there were "teams that had a subculture of it." He is willing to take the popular stance and pile on guys who have been already implicated like Bonds and McGwire, but when it comes to the rampant abuse in the sport he is still, apparently, in a bit of denial. The problem is always remote and somewhere else for Schilling, but never to his knowledge or in his own lockeroom.

Curt's statements about Bonds,McGwire, and Canseco are correct, but they are not the only players who have been connected or implicated in steroid use. He had an opportunity to share knowledge at the Congressional hearings, but, instead, he waffled and played down his earlier comments. If he is going to take a serious stand on the steroid issue, he better show the same fervor to implicate his own teammates and acknowledge that he may have benefitted from their tainted success. If Curt wants Canseco to give up his 1988 MVP award, he better be willing to part with a World Series ring.


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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
858 days ago
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Schilling is seriously setting himself up for some huge backlash when/if this investigation uncovers anything. Just shut your mouth already, Curt.
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Awrigh01All-Star
858 days ago
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images make articles so much better.
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JuTMSY4Legend
858 days ago
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Nice article, even though I should be apt to defend the phils...

Anyways, if anything is clear from this Curt is either pretty far from a roid issue, significantly blind or disabled or so ignorant that he has no idea how bad things were/are.

Its unfortunate that guys like Gonzales are looked at...how unusual was it, really, for guys to have 1 good season like that...sure 57 homers is a lot, but it was also a really lively era for hitting...but does anyone have any other folks who performed in a similar manor to gonzales and are more apt to be non-users...
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TyduffyRed-Shirting
858 days ago
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Its not even the numbers with Gonzalez that really make me suspect him.... LOOK AT HIS ARMS!
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
858 days ago
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That picture of Gonzalez is incredibly telling. I'm convinced, after looking at it for awhile now, that his biceps, when put side by side, would be wider than his body.
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MegECass110AAA-er
858 days ago
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I like your article, but are you suggesting Schilling was on steroids in 2004, and that's why he needs to give up his ring? Or does he need to give it up for another reason.
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JuTMSY4Legend
858 days ago
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No, his point is that other teammates on his championship teams were...and using the logic of conseco giving up his MVP, curt should lose...at least, 1 NLCS ring and 1 WS ring
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JuTMSY4Legend
858 days ago
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It may not be correct logic (and believe me its not...heh), but I understand the concept and can see where Ty is coming from
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MegECass110AAA-er
858 days ago
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So basically Schilling is just as guilty as steroid users because he didn't implicate them when given the opportunity? Eh, that's a stretch.
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JuTMSY4Legend
858 days ago
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Nooooo... His point, correct me if i'm wrong Ty, is that by virtue of being on the team that cheated, regardless of his actions (or for that matter, if he knew or saw anything) he was on a team that cheated to win...and therefore those teams didn't earn their sports...
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MegECass110AAA-er
858 days ago
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Who on the 2004 Red Sox was on steroids, then?
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JuTMSY4Legend
858 days ago
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meg, he's not talking about that world series, relax.... And ortiz was...heart palpitations my ass...
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JuTMSY4Legend
858 days ago
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heh heh heh
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MegECass110AAA-er
858 days ago
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I'm sorry, I'm a spaz, I forgot about Arizona in 2001. It all makes sense.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
858 days ago
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You know, looking at the lineup the 2001 D-Backs had, I wonder how they ever won the World Series. A 37-year-old Mark Grace, a 35-year-old Matt Williams, a 33-year-old Reggie Sanders (who suspiciously hits a career high 33 homers that year), a 36-year-old Steve Finley, the list goes on. The youngest players in the starting lineup were 31 (Damian Miller and Tony Womack). It's like if the Giants won it all this year.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
858 days ago
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Easy on the ageism there Corey! Some of us (who me?) are turning 34 sooner than we want to! :)
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KelsdadAll-Star
858 days ago
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Speaking of steriods, how about that Angel Salome?
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
858 days ago
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Ha! I seriously had to slap my forehead on that one.
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Confessions Of A FanaticDiv-I Stud
858 days ago
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I was always curious about how Luis Gonzalez did what he did in 2001. Not to say that I think he did steroids, because I don't, but I've just always been curious about how the guy could log one of the greatest hitting seasons I've ever seen at that point in his career. We'll probably never know how to explain it.
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TyduffyRed-Shirting
858 days ago
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Thank you JuTMSY4,

My logic, which is open to debate, is that if he said he wanted to erase Canseco's career from the record book, he should be willing (should evidence come out) to say the same thing about player's he had a connection with and consequently be willing to give up the benefit that he gained from it. I don't blame him for not revealing anyone, but I blame him for being more than willing to be critical about players he has no connection with and then at the same time being extremely naive about current and former teammates.

Also, I never meant to insinuate that Curt, himself, has ever used steroids, or that any member of the 2004 Red Sox used steroids (which would be personally heartbreaking to me as a Red Sox fan).

Corey - The Giants analogy could work. Except the Giants don't have Johnson and Schilling in peak form.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
858 days ago
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The Giants may not have a wiley veteran pitcher but they certainly do have a bloated outfielder with too many miles on the odometer.
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JuTMSY4Legend
857 days ago
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The problem is that its a team game...if all 25 players were on steroids, than there wouldn't be debate...but if, as you suggest, half the phils were...then what? I don't know the answer really My thought is that...well...half the league was on roids, so really, in a whole competitive sense, the league as a whole was still equal (against eachother), and since we can't pinpoint who exactly, its a moot point to take away championships and awards...not to mention if we start doing that, when do we start taking away cy youngs from gaylord perry...take away many of cobbs steals because of his metal spikes...Albert belle's homers for corked bats and so on...
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AngeHammJV Squad
857 days ago
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I'd like to know what Schilling thinks about pitchers taking steroids. That's the issue no one seems to be talking about, maybe because home runs are just so much sexier. But when I was teaching at VCU I had baseball players on my team, and they swore up and down that on the college and low minors level the majority of 'roid users were pitchers, not hitters.
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TyduffyRed-Shirting
857 days ago
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I don't agree with erasing the record books. I thought that was a stupid statement by Schilling and I was attempting to carry it out to its logical extension. AngeHamm, I think that is a great point about pitchers. I actually believe that most steroid users were pitchers as well, unless one believes that Clemens is just a freakish workout fiend who suddenly had a career renaissance in his 40s.
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Britney asbourneLittle Leaguer
856 days ago
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up. For example, last week in Arizona an associate of mine wanted to watch the Diamondbacks, so I tried to get him

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JuTMSY4Legend
856 days ago
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They're the third best team...in the NL west...deal with it... and if you think prices are crazy for D-backs tix...go to boston...
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