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Bball3345's All-25 Year Pirates Team

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by user Timothy Moreland(Bball3345)

As challenged by DNL, I searched through the last 25 years of Pirates history, 1982-2006, and assembled a squad. Despite the Pirates sketchy recent past of success on the field, there was enough quality to put together a rather competitive team.

All the stats have been normalized to a 750 runs/team (4.63 rpg) environment.

Starting Lineup (with Neutralized Stats)

Order	Pos	Player		Year	Ag	G	AB	Avg	OBP	SLG	OPS+
1	CF	Barry	Bonds	1992	27	140	493	0.339	0.488	0.684	205
2	LF	Brian	Giles	2002	31	154	498	0.295	0.447	0.618	173
3	C	Jason	Kendall	2000	26	152	572	0.311	0.402	0.456	125
4	RF	Jason	Bay	2005	26	162	602	0.309	0.406	0.568	148
5	1B	Gary	Redus	1989	32	97	286	0.308	0.4	0.507	141
6	3B	Bobby	Bonilla	1988	25	161	611	0.298	0.394	0.516	142
7	2B	Johnny	Ray	1984	27	155	569	0.329	0.372	0.453	121
8	Pitcher										
9	SS	Jay	Bell	1993	27	154	607	0.313	0.396	0.442	123 

According to the BaseballMusings Lineup Analysis, this lineup would score 6.843 runs per game. None of the players have an OPS+ below 121 and the outfield has OPS+ of 205, 173, and 148. Bobby Bonilla and Gary Redus have 142 and 141, respectively. Interesting note: Four of the players' last names start with "B" and four of the players' first names start with "J".

Bench

Role	Player		Year	Ag	G	AB	Avg	OBP	SLG	OPS+
bOF	Turner	Ward	1997	32	71	166	0.349	0.417	0.584	159
bIF	John	Wehner	1991	24	37	108	0.352	0.391	0.417	124
PH	Matt	Stairs	2003	35	121	305	0.292	0.389	0.561	146
bC	Craig	Wilson	2000	24	88	157	0.306	0.387	0.586	149
dRp	Jose	Lind	1987	23	35	143	0.322	0.358	0.434	108

The bench had some good bats on it as well. Turner Ward had a tremendous 71 games in 1997. John Wehner and Jose Lind provide strong gloves with capable bats. Craig Wilson, originally a catcher, backs up Kendall and helps Ward and Matt Stairs provide some pop off the bench.

Starting Rotation

Role	Pos	Pitcher		Year	Ag	W	L	W%	IP	ERA	WHIP	ERA+
1	SP	Rick Reuschel	1985	36	15	6	0.714	190.7	2.64	1.154	158
2	SP	Denny	Neagle	1996	27	15	9	0.625	223.7	3.26	1.194	144
3	SP	Oliver	Perez	2004	22	13	8	0.619	195.7	3.13	1.186	139
4	SP	Zane	Smith	1994	33	16	9	0.64	225	3.16	1.213	133
5	SP	F. Cordova	1998	26	15	9	0.625	219.7	3.28	1.225	131

While there isn't a Pedro on this team, there are some very nice seasons. All of the pitchers are situated between 131 and 158 ERA+. Current Met, Oliver Perez was, once upon a time, quite the promising young pitcher.

Bullpen

Pos	Pitcher		Year	Ag	W	L	W%	IP	ERA	WHIP	ERA+
CL	Mike Gonzalez	2006	28	4	1	0.8	53.3	2.19	1.406	207
RP	Scott Sauerbeck	1999	27	6	1	0.857	69.3	3.39	1.363	229
RP	Kent	Tekulve	1983	36	8	2	0.8	96.7	1.86	1.252	227
RP	Rod	Scurry	1982	26	9	2	0.818	101.3	1.95	1.48	214
RP	Bill	Landrum	1990	32	5	2	0.714	69	2.61	1.42	169
RP	Pat Clements	1986	24	4	2	0.667	59.3	3.19	1.517	137
RP	Dan	Plesac	1995	33	4	3	0.571	68.3	3.42	1.302	122

What the starting rotation lacked in dominance, the bullpen makes up for. Mike Gonzalez was a shutdown closer in 2006, until an injury shut him down that is. Scott Sauerbeck and Kent Tekulve represent stellar seasons from the pen. Rod Scurry would be a capable long reliever.

This is a team us Pirates fans would love to see on the field in '07.


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Davis21wylieMVP
968 days ago
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Batting the pitcher 8th? You're either a LaRussa disciple, or you've been reading too much of [www.pankin.com/INFORMS06.pdf this stuff]...
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Davis21wylieMVP
968 days ago
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Links are hard! This stuff...
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Bball3345Draft Pick
968 days ago
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I have actually read that. I like the double-leadoff hitter effect of having a "real" batter hitting ninth instead of an automatic out.
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Davis21wylieMVP
968 days ago
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Fair enough, I was just giving you a hard time before anyone else got a chance to. Good work, especially considering what you had to work with over the the past decade. :)
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
968 days ago
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I was just about to post my lineup when I noticed this one. I have a couple suggestions.

RF 2000 John Vanderwal (Bay didn't play RF in 2005) although I would have loved to include him on my team.

1B 1982 Jason Thompson (148 OPS+ over Redus 141) Sad that was the best two 1B

MI 1995 Nelson Liriano UO 1989 Glenn Wilson PH 1989 Mike Diaz DR 2001 Abraham Nunez

I passed on some of the higher OPS guys for some better defenders.

SP 1990 Doug Drabek SP 1986 Rick Rhoden

Don’t like having three lefties in my rotation and anyway, how can you not include Drabek and his hardware he picked up in 1990? I also went with Rhoden over Cordova.

MR 2005 Salomon Torres MR 1997 Ricardo Rincon MR 1994 Rick White MR 1988 Jeff Robinson

I agree with Gonzo, Sauerbeck and Tekulve. You’ve got five southpaws in the pen. Got to like Torres and Rincon allowing White to spot start and Robinson as a long reliever.
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Bball3345Draft Pick
968 days ago
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All very good suggestions. I already had my rotation set before I got to Drabek. You should go ahead and post yours anyways.
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SportsbriefVarsity
967 days ago
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Did you know that Drabek won the Cy Young in 1990 (which I think is within your 25 year timeline), and was 22-6. Also had an ERA below 3, and led the Pirates into the playoffs. Denny Neagle, Perez, Smith.. what a joke. What about Andy Van Slyke? Guy man some All-Star games, and a bunch of Gold Gloves.
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Bball3345Draft Pick
967 days ago
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With Bay, Giles, and Bonds in the outfield, I think my team would survive without Van Slyke. Did you know Drabek's ERA+ in 1990 was 131, tied with Cordova for 5th in my rotation?
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Bball3345Draft Pick
967 days ago
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I would love for you to make your own team that isn't a "joke" like mine.
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ChristofMVP
967 days ago
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B-Ball. Nice work. You have more couarge than I do. I know the Phillies All-25 Years Team would not hold any water. Maybe I should an All-25 Years Worse Phillies team! :)
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
967 days ago
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Don Carman awaits your nomination..
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ChristofMVP
967 days ago
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Oh please, Carman doesn't make the top 50 worse over the past 25 years.  :(
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KelsdadAll-Star
967 days ago
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Depending on the time frame. Schmidt, Luzinski, Carlton, Booney, not a bad start.
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ChristofMVP
966 days ago
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The Bull and Booney were gone by '82. Schmidt, yes. Lefty - 83 - yes. beyond that all my!
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SportsbriefVarsity
966 days ago
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Drabek threw more innings then everyone in your rotation in 1990. I don't know about ERA+ but his straight up ERA was better than 4 out of 5. I just think its hard to leave off the guy in place of Perez and such. I'm not a Pirates fan, but if someone says Pirates pitcher, the first guy I think of is Drabek. I agree your OF is strong, I thought Van Slyke should find his way onto the team, not necessarily starting. Also love how Kendall is hitting 3rd in the lineup. Career high of 14 HRs in 2000... lot of small ball from this "All-Time Team" of the past 25 seasons.
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Bball3345Draft Pick
966 days ago
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I don't disagree that Drabek had a great season, but a big reason his ERA was better is because he played in less of an offensive era than my other guys.

The rules stated I had to use bench players for my bench, which is why Van Slyke couldn't be on my bench.

I have Kendall in the #3 spot because of his high OBP, and he is surrounded by power bats.
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KelsdadAll-Star
966 days ago
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It doesnt have to be a 1982-2006 timeframe, it could be anything you want. As long as its a 25 year period
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