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Batter Strikeouts: More Disturbing Now Than Later

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by user Ross K.

When I read that another pitcher is heading towards 3000 strikeouts, I got curious as to who leads MLB in career strikeouts from the batters box and if it was anywhere close to 3000. Only one batter is within 500 of the 3000 mark and it's none other than Mr. October, Reggie Jackson. After that the numbers drop down dramatically to the 2000 mark.

Take a look at the list and then I'll add some thoughts at the bottom.

1. Reggie Jackson 2597
2. Sammy Sosa 2194
3. Andres Galarraga 2003
4. Jose Canseco 1942
5. Willie Stargell 1936
6. Mike Schmidt 1883
7. Fred McGriff 1882
8. Tony Perez 1867
9. Dave Kingman 1816
10. Jim Thome 1762
11. Bobby Bonds 1757
12. Dale Murphy 1748
13. Lou Brock 1730
14. Mickey Mantle 1710
15. Harmon Killebrew 1699
16. Chili Davis 1698
17. Dwight Evans 1697
18. Rickey Henderson 1694
19. Dave Winfield 1686
20. Gary Gaetti 1602
Source: Baseball Reference

Younger players like Adam Dunn, Ryan Howard and Richie Sexson (well, when he was younger) take a lot of critcism for how much they strike out, but apparently in the long run you can be considered a great hitter and still strike out a lot, because there are quite a few names on that list that would also be considered in a list of the top 20 hitters of all time.

The Top 30 active players in career strikeouts include not only Thome but Barry Bonds, Ken Griffey Jr., Jim Edmonds, Carlos Delgado, Manny Ramirez, Alex Rodriguez and Bernie Williams. Granted, a lot of these guys - with the exceptions of A-Rod - are getting old and have had long careers, but the majority of these guys are known as the best hitters of their time, when at the same time they're racking up K after K. If Jeff Bagwell would have played this season and struck out 54 times, which is highly likely, he would have broken into the top 20 all-time.

What I find interesting - and my motivation for the articles title - is that a lot of time when a player strikes out in a game, it's considered a terrible thing. If a player has two or three strikeouts in a game, they're considered to have had an awful day. However according to this list, strikeouts on the part of a batter - is the easiest stat to forget and/or forgive over time.

Reggie Jackson is known for a handful of key hits in the playoffs. How many know he's the reigning strikeout king by 403? I know I didn't. Maybe Mr. October has a second meaning, when Jackson hit there was a good chance you'll feel a cool breeze from a swing and a miss.

In case you're wondering, Jackson had 9864 career at-bats, number 27 on the all-time list. That's a strikeout once in a little more than every four at bats (26%). Dunn and Howard are both currently at 32%, Sexson at 27%. A-Rod, the youngest player in the Top 30 is only at 21%.

When it comes down to it, how many strikeouts a batter ends his career with can really depend on the number of ABs he has in his career and the odds of striking out in those ABs. But when the career is over, chances are not many people are going to be looking at strikeouts anyway.

I guess what I'm trying to get at is don't waste your time criticizing young guys for Ks now because nobody's going to care later. Pay attention to the other numbers they are putting up because those are the ones that in the long run at least, really matter.


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Fri 08/04/06, 7:00 am EST


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DNLLegend
1067 days ago
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You *have* to be a good player to strike out 2000+ times. A player with a ridiculous strikeout rate (30% of plate apperances -- NB I'm doing it by that and not at-bats) would have to have over 8,300 PA over the course of a career. Assuming 700 PA per season (that's 4.3 PA/game, and playing all 162), we're talking a 12 year career, minimum.
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IcemanvtWaterboy
1067 days ago
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Good points. One minor issue is that when looking at these straight number stats, they're going to be dominated by the players that accumulated alot of at-bats, allowing them to even be able to get these strikeouts.


I'd be interested in looking at single season records and see what kinds of players show up there. Players like the immortal [Rob Deer], for example.


And you did the strikeout percentages. I'd like to see what the career leaders in strikeout PERCENTAGE would be and see if that correlates with how good of a hitter that player is.
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FriskysmanVarsity Captain
1067 days ago
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Yep. An out is an out. You can criticize them for not moving runners over, but striking out with the bases empty is no worse than hitting a fly ball to the warning track. And if runners are on, better to strike out than hit into a double play.
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I am a cpcpMajor Leaguer
1067 days ago
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In response to both of you, check out the second to last paragraph: When it comes down to it, how many strikeouts a batter ends his career with can really depend on the number of ABs he has in his career and the odds of striking out in those ABs. I realized that I was going through the article, but I still found it interesting.
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I am a cpcpMajor Leaguer
1067 days ago
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Oops, that was supposed to be italics, not bold.
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IcemanvtWaterboy
1067 days ago
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Oops, I missed that. My mistake.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
1066 days ago
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Bill Hall is a guy that immediately comes to mind right now as a current good hitter/strikeout king. He has struck out almost every three at bats (111 SO in 358 AB), yet of his 98 hits, 54 of them have been for extra bases, giving him a .570 SLG, but his OBP is still only at a .327.
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Jgov05All-American
1066 days ago
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I haven't done any research on this, but Jeff Francouer probably has a high strikeout rate. It's an event when he doesn't swing and miss on the first pitch.
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UfgatorsDiv-I Stud
1066 days ago
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i dont know what goes on in the minor leagues, but it seems like many of the braves hitters like to swing at the first pitch they see (and it usually ends up as a strike)
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LouGehrigVarsity Captain
1066 days ago
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The only time a strikeout is just another out is when the bases are empty. Even the possibity of a DP depends on the situation.

In the 1962 WS, the Yankees had the bases loaded, no outs, no score in the top of the fifth inning. Tony Kubek hit into a DP, scoring Bill Skowron. If he had struck out, it is possible that they would not have scored because Richardson followed Kubek's ground ball DP with an infield pop up and Tresh then led off the sixth with another pop up. Without a discussion of the predestined hit, this was clearly a critical instance (Game 7 of the WS) in which a DP was far superior to a strikeout.

There are many, many instances in which a strikeout kills. Once a ball is put in ball, anything can happen.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
271 days ago
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Stop and consider how well you would do trying to hit a little ball moving at 95mph or dropping 2 feet right before it reaches the plate.
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