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Asterisky Business: The HR King Should Not Be Aaron, Bonds, or Ruth

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by SYHD

Every Major League Baseball player that played before 1947 was a cheater. The most efficient form of cheating is to not allow quality competitors to even participate. Every single Major Leaguer at the time benefited from the exclusion of blacks, from Babe Ruth to Moonlight Graham. Sure Babe would have still been great, but he might not have looked quite so immortal if he had to face Satchel Page, or other great black pitchers, instead of some awful white 4th starter. Mediocre starters would have been bench warmers. Bench warmers, career Minor Leaguers. My SAT scores were pretty decent. But they would look substantially better if Jews and Asians were forbidden from taking the test. Whether or not they agreed with the segregationist policies, their participation alone is a tacit endorsement of them. The Nuremberg Defense does not apply here. They played these games of their own volition. Theirs is a disgraced era, tainted if you will, and none of their records should be acknowledged.

Everyone who played after 1960, put up completely fraudulant stats. I'm looking at you Roger Maris, and you Sandy Koufax, and even you Henry Aaron. Roger Maris hit 61* in '61, not coincidentally the first year of the expansion era. MLB added two teams in 1961, both of them to the American League. So the AL jumped from 8 teams to 10 teams. This meant 25 percent more pitchers in the league, the majority of whom would have been considered AAA ballplayers prior to expansion. This sounds like the perfect recipe for turning a very good Major League hitter, Roger Maris, into a monster.

The following year, two new National League teams debut. One of those teams, the 1962 Mets, were famously awful that year, bumbling their way to only 40 wins. Not entirely surprising then, that Sandy Koufax's ERA dropped a run that year and he began a reign of terror on the NL for the next 4 seasons.

Hammerin' Hank was still averaging 40 home runs a season, from ages 35 to 39 (1969 to 1973). It stands to reason that some of that production was aided by the fact that the Major Leagues were 50% bigger by 1969 than they were in 1960. Also, in the last 17 years of his career, Hank's teams played 8 more games per season than Babe Ruth ever did. Add that up and you get 136 more games.

Without the extra games and expansion teams, it's pretty safe to say Aaron never would have broken Ruth's record. 755 never happened. 714 is still the record. Oh wait I erased those records. Who hit the most home runs between '47 and '59? He is the true Home Run King. Actually a lot players lost time to the Korean War between '51 and '53. Those seasons should be stricken from the record. What kind of pussy boy would be playing baseball, while his countrymen were being drafted into war? The guy who hit the most homers from '47 to '50 and '54 to '59...He's our man!

Do I believe all of this nonsense? Sort of. Nothing I said was factually incorrect. The point is that any fan smarter than Kige Ramsey is able to look at the homerun record, or any other record, and understand that the context of one era is different from another era. Even within a given era, there are a million variables. Henry Aaron had the benefit of a home park nicknamed "The Launching Pad" and was protected by Hall of Famer Eddie Matthews for much of his career. That equals more home runs. Barry Bonds has played in extreme pitchers' parks and has had a subpar supporting cast for much of his career. That equals less home runs. Were steroids a factor? Sure. But one of a great many.

posted by Tremont of http://www.shootyourhopesanddreams.blogspot.com


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InsanMajor Leaguer
842 days ago
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Great, another article criticizing white people for what they did to blacks. Yea, I'm sure Dontrelle Willis would have struck out Babe Ruth.
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JuTMSY4Legend
842 days ago
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Well, technically the fact that Babe Ruth would have been worse statistically is mere conjecture...you don't really know if the black players were better or not... Secondly "But they would look substantially better if Jews and Asians were forbidden from taking the test" - That's the most racist thing i've heard all day...if anything, any credibility you had going into this article is gone now...
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HappyskinnyAll-American
842 days ago
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Yeah, he trys to bring race in as an issue, and then he makes it one himself. I don't get it.
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InsanMajor Leaguer
842 days ago
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This guy is a nutjob. Go read the book "The Year Babe Ruth Hit 104 Homeruns".
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Silencer76AAA-er
842 days ago
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Wow, Moonlight Graham benefitted from the lack of blacks? You mean he wouldn't have played that whole half inning of his career otherwise? As Ron Simmons would say: DAMN.
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SSreportersLegend
842 days ago
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In other news: Every baseball record after 1947 is false.
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HappyskinnyAll-American
842 days ago
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So basically you are saying that no record in sports matter. What about when the NHL only had six teams. Does this make Wayne Gretzky any less great? By the way, name me 10 GREAT negro league pitchers that would have come in and made Babe Ruth not as good as he actually was.
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InsanMajor Leaguer
842 days ago
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Excellent point, plusses for you.
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JuTMSY4Legend
842 days ago
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How did the '62 mets make Koufax's ERA drop a whole freakin' run?!
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InsanMajor Leaguer
842 days ago
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I didn't study the first time, then I studied the second time I took the test and actually got 40 points lower than my first test.
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InsanMajor Leaguer
842 days ago
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Oops wrong place
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
842 days ago
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"But they would look substantially better if Jews and Asians were forbidden from taking the test."

You guys already know what I think of that.

Rather than an extended profanity tirade (which this [blank] deserves), I'll just point out that probably every brother on scholarship in the NCAA (pick ya sport) scored higher on the SATs than the author.

Black power! {give me that at least admins}
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JuTMSY4Legend
842 days ago
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you get a 600 just for putting your name on it...What is the NCAA requirement, something like an 800 right?
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HappyskinnyAll-American
842 days ago
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I never understood why they gave you 600 points for putting your name on it. Why don't they just make putting your name on it worth 1 point and then have lower scores be the norm.
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JuTMSY4Legend
842 days ago
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Its a standardized test thing...sit the LSAT is out of 180, but you can't score lower than a 120...why not just make it 60 total points...
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InsanMajor Leaguer
842 days ago
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Because it's the SAT's Happy, they don't make sense in any aspect.
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HappyskinnyAll-American
842 days ago
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I wish I could get a few points just for putting my name on regular tests.
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JuTMSY4Legend
842 days ago
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you do...because if you don't put your name on a test, you don't get any points
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HappyskinnyAll-American
842 days ago
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Just to stay on the subject, did you guys study for the SAT's? I never understood doing that either. I don't think I would have done any better or worse if I had studied.
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JuTMSY4Legend
842 days ago
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Uhh...i think my high school had a 2 hour prep class and my english teach sorta prepared us...we had some sort of vocab thing my junior year...
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InsanMajor Leaguer
842 days ago
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I didn't study the first time, then I studied the second time I took the test and actually got 40 points lower than my first test.
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JuTMSY4Legend
842 days ago
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other than that...not really..
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HappyskinnyAll-American
842 days ago
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I am awful at standardized tests. I'm pretty sure I got in to school to fill a quota of Rhode Island students. I think there are about 6 at my school.
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JuTMSY4Legend
842 days ago
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Ditto for PA kids in Mass...
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InsanMajor Leaguer
842 days ago
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Hey, a win is a win right?
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JuTMSY4Legend
842 days ago
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Yeah...i'm not complaining...i guess ; - )
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InsanMajor Leaguer
842 days ago
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What school do you go to?
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HappyskinnyAll-American
842 days ago
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I'll take the win, haha.
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HappyskinnyAll-American
842 days ago
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I go to Clemson.
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Yakob878MVP
842 days ago
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great article i love it
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Notthatgood4Waterboy
842 days ago
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Did you guys even read the article? The point is that you can come up with a reason to denounce every record. Since there is no way to accurately compare each record, just accept what happened for what it is.
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SYHDWaterboy
842 days ago
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Thanks Notthatgood4. You got the point of the article.
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ScottVanPeltStyle.comWaterboy
842 days ago
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The eras were what they were, and are what they are. Players cant determine that. Accept history for what it is, and let it be what it was meant to be; a charted course for future players to find the path to greatness.
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AllonthefieldVarsity
842 days ago
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I was about to get mad about yet another person bringing up all those factors, but then I realized you were being sarcastic. And I agree with you. There is little doubt that steroids played a role in Bonds' setting of the record, but there are so many other variables at play that it's probably best to appreciate the record for what it is: different.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
842 days ago
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What it is? Easy: 757* (and climbing)
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