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Yankees Trading Deadline Review: Not Gonna Happen

by Tmutchell
created August 05, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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[1] I know I'm a little late to the party on this stuff, but I was on vacation for a week and a half or so, and never got a chance to comment on all of this. Frankly, with the splendor of Yellowstone Park and the Grand Tetons in front of me, somehow the importance of the 2008 Yankees' postseason hopes seemed a bit small in comparison. Of course, now I'm back home, and my priorities have been set straight.

So now I'm back and I don't recognize half of the faces of the players on my favorite team. Well, I recognize some of them - I mean, who's been paying any attention at all to baseball for the last 15 years and doesn't know Ivan Rodriguez by sight? - they just don't look right in Yankee uniforms is all.

Fortunately, in the case of Pudge, all we gave up was Kyle Farnsworth, who, while having a decent year to date (for once) was bound to fall off the table at some point. To wit, he gave up two homers to the Rays a couple of nights ago and blew a save. Brian Cashman was selling high with Farnsworth, who had a 4.44 ERA as a Yankee entering 2008, but managed to put up a 3.65 this year.

[2] I-Rod, on the other hand, is on the tail end of his Hall-of-Fame career, and despite the way Brian Cashman has talked him up in the wake of this deal,

> “In theory I think we upgraded offensively. Pudge is obviously still having a tremendous year, one of the top catchers in the game today."

I beg to differ. Pudge is hitting close to .300, but with no walks and no power. He's on a pace for about 50 Runs and 50 RBIs. After Brian McCann, Joe Mauer, Russell Martin, Geovany Soto, Dioner Navarro, Ryan Doumit, and (before they got hurt) Jorge Posada and Victor Martinez, you could say that Pudge was "one of the top" catchers. That's roughly the top third or so of major league catchers, and maybe his defense pushes him into the top 25% or so, but that's a pretty generous definition of "one of the top" and that's about all I'm willing to concede.

Still, the main idea here was that Pudge would be an imporvement on Jose Molina, not Jorge Posada or Brian McCann, and that he is. According to Baseball Prospectus, Pudge had been worth about 3.4 Wins above replacement to date, while Molina was at about 2.3, most of that via his defense. Pudge brings comparable defense along with a bat that, if nothing else, at least is not a total zero. He should be worth something like one to two wins over Molina from here on out, but no more than that.

[3] [4] The other "big" move by the Yankees was to pick up Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte from the Pirates for prospects. They gave up Jose Tabata, who was tabbed the Yankees' "Centerfielder of the Future", but since that future wasn't likely going to happen before 2010 or 2011, and since he was hitting .248 in the Eastern League, Cashman decided to take his chances with guys who can play now.

The other three given up in that deal, Ross Ohlendorf, Jeff Karstens and Dan McCutchen, are all righty pitchers who may grow up to be useful major leaguers someday, but all of whom have some kind of significant strike against them. Ohlendorf struggles with his weight and has had arm problems in the past. Karstens is a finesse pitcher whose lack of a good fastball leaves him with only the slimmest of margins for error, and McCutchen, though successful in the minors to date, has no true out pitch. Twenty years from now, he may prove to have been the best of the three, but even that is likely to be a #3 or #4 starter for about four or five years, tops.

In return the Yanks got Nady, who was hitting .330 with Pittsburgh, and amazingly did even better after joining the Yankees, winning AL Player of the Week honors for hitting .385 with 3 homers. With his "swing hard in case you hit it" approach, he won't keep that up, but if he can hit .285 with a little power and some walks, as his career averages suggest he can, the Yankees can plug him into left field every day while Hideki Matsui and/or Johnny Damon are injured.

[5] Marte is a lefty who strikes batters out, and has posted solid ERAs in every year since 2002. And he's no LOOGy, being nearly as effective against righties (.716 opponent OPS) as he is against southpaws (.581). His acquisition allowed the Yankees to get rid of LaTroy Hawkins, who was inexplicably wanted by the Houston Astros, or at least their GM, Ed Wade. The Yanks gave up some cash and got a minor league 2B named Matt Cusick, who's got patience but not a whole lot else in his repetoire.

'Other Acquisitions: '

My younger brother has a theory. In college, he suspected that his school must have had the Worst College Football Player in the country. His reasoning was this:

1) He went to the University of Rochester, an excellent school academically, but for athletics, it (ahem...) competes in Division III, the lowest division in the NCAA system, against teams like Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and Salisbury Steak State University.

B) The Rochester football team was, at least during my brother's tenure there, the worst team in its sad division. (They went 5-31 overall from 1996-1999, and had to "rally" to a 3-6 record in his senior year to do that.)

Therefore, the guy at the end of the Rochester bench, a guy who was not good enough to play on the worst team in the worst division in college football, was likely the de facto Worst Player in College Football.

On a related note: Richie Sexson.

Sexson was bad enough to get released by the worst team in the league, while still owed over $5 million for the rest of the year, and somehow I doubt that all he needed was a change of scenery. Besides, the guy's like eleven feet tall, which means that all the pitcher has to do is make sure the ball gets to the catcher, and it's a strike. Sexson has been used mostly as a pinch hitter, but if he gets more playing time than that, something is very, very wrong in Yankee Land.  

I hate to say it, because he's only nine days younger than I am, but the dude is washed up. Shelley Duncan or fellow ex-Indian, ex-Mariner (and singer/guitarist) Ben Broussard could be just as bad for (probably) less money. Juan Miranda (25 years old and hitting .306/.394/.460 in AAA this year) might even be a little better. At least he'll make some contact.  

Another bit of jetsam pulled from the drink, perhaps more literally than that metaphor would normally suggest, is Sidney Ponson. Ponson has been surprisingly good so far, or at least useful, but it's probably just a matter of time before the other shoe drops and he turns back into a pumpkin. I'm pretty sure those two metaphors don't actually work together, but you get my drift.

In summary, while I'm glad that the Yankees have played a little better of late, and are at least competitive most of the time, I think they made a classic blunder. They took their July hot streak as a harbinger of a big turn around, when maybe it was really just a streak. Thinking that the whole team was turning around, they tried to fill a few of the remaining holes, and fill them they did.

But at what cost? Granted, among those they gave up, only Tabata was thought to ever become a star, and that was a long way off if it ever happened at all. However, some of the others who got traded might have filled holes cheaply here and there in the next few years. The safer play was to cut bait, to sell their high priced players in the last years of their contracts and try to stockpile talent for the future, like the Oaklands have done, but "safe" is not a word in the Yankee lexicon, and "rebuilding" is something they do in Kansas City.

Even if Robbie Cano really has turned it around, and even if Johnny Damon is healthy and productive for the rest of the year, they still have the streaky Giambi and suddenly aging Derek Jeter going out there everyday, not to mention Melky Cabrera and his sub-.300 OBP. Is it really reasonable to think that a team with only two proven starting pitchers, one proven reliever and and a patchwork lineup can oust either the Red Sox or the Rays from playoff contention? I don't see it happening.

Mark my words: The dynasty is over.


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KelsdadAll-Star
489 days ago
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As a Yankee fan, I wholeheartedly support these moves. The Yankees are a much better team today than they were last week at this time.

Sexson was signed, in part, to losing Shelley Duncan for the season due to a serious shoulder injury, if he hadn't gotten hurt, I don't believe the Yankees would have signed Richie.

Posada was hurt LAST year. It was his decision to try and rehab instead of having surgery. Rodriguez and Molina splitting playing time is a far better option than Molina splitting time with Chad Moeller.

Getting two quality ML players in the same deal is a steal. Xavier Nady, like Jason Bay, are underrated players stuck in the pugatory of a bad team, put them in the middle of a pennant race changes everything for them. And no matter what, losing Matsui necessitated the deal more than anything. As far as the guys they gave up, Austin Jackson is a better player than Tabata, the pitchers are all tweeners. Maybe they make it, maybe not, although their chances are better in Pittsburgh.

Look at the remaining schedules for Boston, New York and Tampa. All three teams have top heavy road schedules the rest of the year, the best road team of the three? The Yankees. The team with the easiest road schedule the rest of the season? The Yankees.

Not only will the Yankees make the playoffs, they have a legitimate shot to win the division outright.
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JuTMSY4Legend
489 days ago
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Sexson cost like 200k, i fail to see how anyone could be upset (its not even your money)

Rodriguez maybe not be a top catcher, but of the guys you mentioned, who was available? Even getting a catcher on the top half of catchers in MLB is better than nothing

About your brother's theory...Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute is not slouch in hockey...the hold the NCAA record for consecutive wins and put out players like Joe Juneau and Adam Oates...its not football, but I think it doesn't help your brother's theory...
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TmutchellJV Squad
489 days ago
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I agree with you that the Yankees are better, right now, with Nady and Marte and I-Rod than they were with [nobody] and Latroy Hawkins and Moeller. Sexson and Ponson were, admittedly, cheap gambles. It just seems to me that at some point they're going to have to go into rebuilding phase, and the sooner they start, the sooner they're back on top.

Most reasonable people would understand that having four starting pitchers, a starting catcher and a starting DH/LF on the disabled list would ruin anybody's chances of making the playoffs. Unfortunately, there are not many reasonable people who have owned the Yankees in the last thirty years.

Maybe the soft schedule and the new acquisitions will be enough, but I don't see it happening. In any case, at the end of the year, they'll have a lot of soul searching to do about 2009.

And as for RPI's hockey team...so what? UofR competes in Division I for squash, and I didn't mention that either, because the comparison was about FOOTBALL.
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JuTMSY4Legend
489 days ago
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He went to the University of Rochester, an excellent school academically, but for athletics, it (ahem...) competes in Division III, the lowest division in the NCAA system, against teams like Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and Salisbury Steak State University. They don't compete at D-III at all levels...just football...and football's not the only sport you know
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TmutchellJV Squad
489 days ago
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Of course football isn't the only sport, but I prefaced the comment you quoted with the statement that his theory pertained to the Worst College Football Player in the country. I thought it was pretty clear from hat.

Wikipedia indicates that U of R is in Dision III for most sports, but Division I for Squash. Perhaps I should have been a tad more specific, but really, the point (and a tongue-in-cheek one at that) was made: Richie Sexson sucks.

And while we're at it, I appreciate that someone is reading this stuff, but maybe you could find something more constructive to do than nit pick about such irrelevant trifles.
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KelsdadAll-Star
489 days ago
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The Yanks problems this year haven't been performance related as much as injury related. I don't think they're in a rebuilding mode, more of a getting healthy mode.

Why did the Yankees give a 36 year old catcher with a torn rotator cuff a four year deal? Because they knew he would eventually become the full time DH/part time 1B.

If Kennedy, Wang and Hughes had been healthy all season, the Yanks right now would have a five or six game division lead.

If it didn't take Jason Giambi seven weeks for his batting average to reach his pre-steriod weight, (202), they would be higher as well, and let's not forget not having Matsui either.

The Yanks lose 88 million or so in salary after the season in Giambi, Abreu, Pettitte and Mussina. They can make serious runs at Mark Teixeira, K-Rod, Sabathia, Ben Sheets, even secondary starters like Jon Garland and Ryan Dempster. They can make runs at Adam Dunn or Pat Burrell.

It's not inconceivable the Yankees could sign two or three guys on the list above and have a lower payroll than they do now.

Rebuild? Not hardly.
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JuTMSY4Legend
489 days ago
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Any ideas on what letting those 4 you mentioned Kels would net in picks? I would imagine they'd consider resigning Petitte and Moose if the price is right...
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JuTMSY4Legend
489 days ago
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Also, rumor is Tex wants a 10 year deal (probably pushing 180-200 mil, give or take)... I only can think of a few teams who'd be interested then...
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KelsdadAll-Star
489 days ago
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Yeah, I would say so too, one of them for sure, probably not both. Pettitte said he's retiring after this year, so....

Not sure about the picks, all depends on how they are slotted. Rankings are based on the last two years. If they're Type A its two picks, Type B one, and after that, none.

Teixeira wants ARod money, Boras said he'll take less years in order to max the contract.
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