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Why collusion isn't needed to keep Barry Bonds unemployed

by Allonthefield
created March 19, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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The Major League Baseball Players' Association wants to know if the owners are colluding to keep Barry Bonds out of work, or at least that's how ESPN is reporting it.

If you read between the lines, this is somewhat of a non-story. The players' association does a similar review every year, it's just that this year Bonds happens to be involved. What's silly to me, though, is that the decision to avoid Bonds seems easy enough to make without having to violate anti-trust rules to reach it.

There are plenty of obvious reasons:

The man is 43 years old, and he'll be 44 soon after the All-Star break. Bonds has put up decent numbers in the last years, but he's definitely tailed off since 2004. And once you get past 40, there's always the threat your body will go on strike mid-season.

Certain substances seemed to have "cleared" his system. How can this be said delicately? If indeed he's been getting some "help," it will be tougher than ever to continue this season.

He'll cost a fortune to sign. Even if he takes a pay cut from the $16 million he earned last season, as he would almost certainly have to, it's hard to imagine Bonds settling for the $5-7 million a team might -- might -- be willing to pay him.

Bonds doesn't have the greatest reputation as a teammate. What team wants to sign a potential, dare we say likely, clubhouse cancer? The stories that have come out about Bonds' behavior in the Giants' clubhouse over the years, and even this spring, make it seem unlikely that a team would want to add an attitude like that to the mix.

Oh yeah, and there's that whole indictment thing. Always nice to know when you sign a player that he's got a decent shot to finish the season on your roster, not playing softball on the prison's rec yard. Bonds' trial will probably drag on for years, and he may never do jail time, but for now the legal cloud follows him wherever he goes.


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Cornfed78Draft Pick
623 days ago
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"In conclusion Barry Bonds is keeping Barry Bonds unemployed."
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RomiezzoLegend
623 days ago
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I think this sums up everything you said, Allonthefield. All of the teams (like the A's, the Rays, etc.) who are willing to sign Barry Bonds are not willing to give Bonds the money that he is demanding. The greedy bastard wants more than 10 million per year probably. All the teams that have the kind of money to sign him (Yankees, Red Sox, etc.) do not want to see Bonds play for them since EVERYONE knows that he has taken performance enhancers. It's just going to ruin their reputation if they sign him, and the fans of baseball will hate the team for signing Barry Bonds for that kind of money.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
623 days ago
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Donald Fehr must've injected himself in the head with one of Bonds' syringes if he really considers this a worthy cause for union involvement.

All this for a player who isn't even a great union teamster to begin with. After all, Balco Barry refuses to share the loot on endorsements (whatever he is worth in that arena) with the association.

Fack him.

Link:

http://sport...y?id=1777084
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Davis21wylieMVP
623 days ago
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Look, he's not going to trial until after the season is over. He can still hit. $16 million was a bargain for his production a year ago. And the attitude problems would be worth it if you're winning. Besides, what would be more fitting than to use the guy for one season, win with him, and then discard him like the piece of trash he is as soon as his legal sh*t hits the fan? Sounds appropriate to me.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
623 days ago
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16 million is an awfully expensive price to pay in order to tell off Barry Bonds.
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Davis21wylieMVP
623 days ago
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He can still hit better than the vast majority of players, so you're paying for wins and a big 'eff you' to Barry after the season...
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Steel TownDraft Pick
623 days ago
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.298 Avg and 28 Hr is not worth 16 million when he can't play the field and the alleged steroid use puts makes any future production questionable.
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Davis21wylieMVP
623 days ago
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It's all about the 1.045 OPS, man.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
623 days ago
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Actually, it is all about general managers and owners not having to be subject to subpoenas and answering questions under oath from federal prosecutors on what they exactly know about Barry Bonds.
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Davis21wylieMVP
623 days ago
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What's there to know? You don't even have to talk to the S.O.B., for all I care. Just plug him in, have him hit, win some games, and bid him goodbye when his legal troubles outweigh the production.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
623 days ago
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OPS is down .336 since 2002 along with at bats, avg, and HRs. If his stats were slipping when he was potentially on the juice, how much do you think they will slide without the help?
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
623 days ago
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@ Davis: Not too sure if many owners out there really want to tangle with Novitsky over IRS issues concerning Bonds. The feds will leverage in anyway possible to assure that a conviction is garnered. Bonds not finding a job is less a baseball issue and very much more a federal legal one.
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Davis21wylieMVP
623 days ago
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Of course it's down, that was the 3rd-highest single-season OPS in the history of baseball! The point is that there's no way he's going to post an OPS under .900 in 2008, period, end of story. I'd sign him, have him add about 5-6 wins to my team, hopefully make the playoffs, and when it's all over, give him an unceremonious send-off. He's been using people his entire career; why not have his career end with a team openly using him?
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Davis21wylieMVP
623 days ago
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@TB: I'm just playing devil's advocate here -- for reasons everyone has already said, there's pretty much zero chance he'll ever play again. But do I think it would be fitting for someone to use the guy and then dump him.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
623 days ago
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Bonds should sign with the Red Sox for a $1.00 and get on that plane to Japan...
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Davis21wylieMVP
623 days ago
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Let's not go that far! I was talking about him signing with somebody else's team, not mine! :)
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
623 days ago
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I wasn't referring to baseball as a motive....
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Davis21wylieMVP
623 days ago
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He can flee to the ends of the earth, but Ol' Bud will still extradite his ass. After all, somebody's gotta be made a scapegoat for the 'roids era -- and if Barry's not available, then (ye gods!) Selig might catch some of the blame!
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NoodledueceVarsity Captain
623 days ago
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then you would get the best of both worlds...he would play...and get dumped (or left behind)...
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
623 days ago
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Bud Selig is the least of Barry Bonds' problems.
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Cougar2000All-American
623 days ago
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Granted, Barry Bonds is not the most lovable person on the planet. At the same time, he is entitled to a quick and speedy trial under the Constitution, so him playing this season may be out of the question. Plus the team that signs him would have a major media circus on their hands, given the fact that Bonds and the media get along as well as Popeye and Bluto.

As far as him going to Japan, it may not happen. The Japanese don't like criminals coming into their country. Case in point: boxing promoter Don King.

Then there's the issue of if he signs. It would have to be with an AL team and then they would have to make him a DH. He's not the player he once was before all of this came to light. So Barry Lamar Bonds would be better served by NOT playing this year.
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Cougar2000All-American
621 days ago
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Yes, he can still hit but given the fact that he has bad knees, he's more of a defensive liabilty than an asset. Assuming that he does sign with someone, it would have to be an AL team and be a DH. Can you imagine the media circus that a team would have on their hands if he were to sign? It would be chaotic at best. Plus, there's a chance that the trial could begin in July or August, the heart of the season. Any GM that even thinks about taking that risk had better pray real hard and say some Rosaries and light as many candles as possible.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
623 days ago
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The owners have colluded (and paid millions and millions in penalties for doing so) several times in the past 40 years. It is not a stretch to think that they are doing this now, and that they think (erroneously, as in the past) that they can get away with it. Bonds likely will be acquitted on perjury changes, and indeed he may receive compensation from a collusion finding. To cite his age, PED accusations, salary, and his "attitude" is to treat him as a normal talent. You might not sign a typical 43-year old surly leftfielder, but Bonds is atypical. The man would improve most (if not all) teams in the majors, and an incentive-laden one year deal (even in the unlikley even he gets convicted of perjury, he would not go to prison until after 2008 season) makes a lot more finanical (and baseball) sense than most of the free agent deals this winter. Plus, any team that signs him will see fans show up even if just to boo, and contending teams may make additional playoff revenue. Clearly the widespread effort not even to make a superficial attempt to sign him points to a classic case of collusion. It makes no baseball sense, and no financial sense, not to offer Bonds a deal. It only makes sense as a collusive act. Anyone who can't see that doesn't understand the labor history of baseball or, indeed, baseball itself.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
623 days ago
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Bonds is hardly teflon. Even if he somehow beats the perjury charge, the feds will come after him on income tax evasion charges.

Interesting how an entire league is supposed to submit to the ego of one Barry Bonds.

And BTW anon, there is no pro-argument for steroids in sports in the USA. At least not until federal laws are (for whatever reason) repelled that actually permit their current illegal usage.
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Cougar2000All-American
619 days ago
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There are parts of your argument that I agree with. There are some teams that would make him a draw, just to showcase him. His age does pose one huge problem and his knees pose yet another. It would be a disaster if he were to sign with someone and the government would want to try him sooner. But at the same time, Bonds is being charged with a capital offense which could get him some major jail time. Keep in mind that this is federal, not state, which means that he would do the whole stretch.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
623 days ago
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Signed,

Jeff Borris

PS: Your client is a lying cheat and general S.O.B. He can go fack himself.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
623 days ago
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Read this: http://stero...aseball.com/
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
623 days ago
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Interesting read. It doesn't matter though. Steroids used in this nature is a federal offense.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
623 days ago
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"Bonds likely will be acquitted on perjury changes, and indeed he may receive compensation from a collusion finding." - Based on What?

"To cite his age, PED accusations, salary, and his "attitude" is to treat him as a normal talent." - Don't forget the pending purjury trial where the US govm'nt has 95% conviction rate.

"Clearly the widespread effort not even to make a superficial attempt to sign him points to a classic case of collusion." - Or...that no one wants him.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
623 days ago
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Agreed. The feds on this matter are going to get a conviction on Bonds either through perjury or income tax evasion.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
623 days ago
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Collusion? This group of owners? That would be pretty amazing. It seems more likely that Bonds has simply worn out his welcome.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
623 days ago
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Can Barry Bonds even jog around the bases anymore?
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KelsdadAll-Star
622 days ago
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As amazing as it may seem, there is at least one bigger asshole in the game than Bud Selig. His name is Donald Fehr.
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Cornfed78Draft Pick
622 days ago
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Preaching to the choir brother.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
622 days ago
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Niteowl049AAA-er
622 days ago
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Fehr has done as much as Selig to let the players use steroids for years before doing anything. Fehr like Selig did nothing till forced to testify in Washington..
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
622 days ago
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Hear no evil. See no evil. Doesn't work anymore.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
622 days ago
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The way I look at it is if a team wants Bonds they will sign him at their price not his since he is the one that wants 3000 hits. For once the owners have the upper hand with Bonds. It is a matter of how little he will take to get a chance for 3000 hits and 2000 RBI's.
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RomiezzoLegend
621 days ago
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That's what I would've thought too. Turns out that Bonds has a bigger ego than everyone else in this world combined multiplied by 5.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
622 days ago
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Fehr and Selig would have kept their see no evil and hear no evil act going forever if not for Congress becoming involved.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
622 days ago
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Hey, it was making millions for everyone involved.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
622 days ago
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The owners and players were both getting rich from the steroids era. Bonds made roughly $95 million after hitting 73 home runs in 2001. No telling how much the owners made in 1998 especially the Cubs and Cardinals with Sosa and McGwire both hitting over 60 that year and McGwire winding up with 70.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
621 days ago
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There is a way to get this under control. Remove antitrust.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
621 days ago
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Maybe that wouldn't matter after all. MLB will get those dollars one way or the other. They can always raise ticket prices and merchandise prices.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
621 days ago
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Like SJ wrote...MLB is going to get their money one way or the other and it is usally the fans that pay.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
621 days ago
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The fans ALWAYS pay!
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