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Why You Can Pencil In Ted Ginn Jr. For 70 Catches, 900 Yards And 6 TDs

by Crackajg
created August 26, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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With all the talk of Brett Favre this and Brett Favre that, the Dolphins sneaky-quick acquisition of Chad Pennington went relatively unnoticed. Can’t you just picture Bill Parcells shaking his head in disbelief that Pennington was basically placed in the teams lap? I sure can.

Now I’m not saying Chad Pennington is going to have some type of comeback year for the ages or anything, but I am saying he’s a perfectly capable QB that was the answer to the receiving corps prayers. Think about it. One of the following QB’s was currently slated to be slinging balls for the offense, and likely to the wrong team. Complete with career stats:

Josh McCown: 609 for 1052 (57.9%), 6582 yards, 35 TD’s, 40 INT’s. He is entering his seventh NFL season.

John Beck: 60 for 107 (56.1%), 559 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT’s. He is entering his second NFL season.

Chad Henne: Has not yet started an NFL game and would have to go through the necessary growing pains expected of rookie QB’s.

Could one of those players ended up having a good 2008? Absolutely. Would you want to put any type of money on that? I doubt it. Now, let’s take a look at the QB the world forgot about, Chad Pennington:

Chad Pennington: 1259 for 1919 (65.6%), 13738 yards, 82 TD’s, 55 INT’s. He is entering his ninth NFL season.

Uh, yeah. I’ll take Pennington, thanks.



Anyway, with that obvious but necessary piece out of the way, let’s take a look at Jerricho Cotchery’s stats the year he played a bit part on offense and wasn’t on the field too much.

Jerricho Cotchery

(2005): 19 receptions, 251 yards, 0 TD’s (12 games played, 1 game started)

Now, we know that Pennington was on the team in 2005, but Cotchery wasn’t given enough playing time to benefit from that. He was also still learning the intricacies of the WR position, with it being only his second year in the league and his first with some good, solid playing time. Let’s take a look at Ted Ginn Juniors stats in his first year in the league:

Ted Ginn Jr.

(2007): 34 receptions, 420 yards, 2 TD’s (16 games played, 9 games started)

It’s easy to see that Ginn had much more of a role in his rookie year than Cotchery had in his first two years in the NFL combined. Because of this, Ginn is likely well-entrenched in the verses of the WR position. Now let’s take a look at Cotchery’s first year with a starting role in the offense, one that formally introduced him to Chad Pennington.

Jerricho Cotchery

(2006): 82 receptions, 961 yards, 6 TD’s (16 games started)

Not bad. A lot of that can be attributed to Cotchery’s talent but couldn’t some of it also be placed on Pennington? Cotchery was targeted 125 times in 2006 and the ball managed to find itself safely in his hands 82 of those times. Pennington may be knocked for his lack of any kind of powerful arm, but the man is accurate. He’s completed nearly two thirds of his throws his entire career. All in all, I think it’s safe to assume that he’s a quality QB.

With Cotchery barely able to build a rapport with Pennington in 2005 due to the small amount of playing time, the two essentially built a connection throughout the 2006 season itself. Cotchery was also the second option for Pennington, with Laveranues Coles easily claiming the title of both WR1 and the QB’s favorite receiver.

Jumping back to the present, Ginn is the clear cut WR1 on a Dolphins offense that’s looking to begin moving forward after some serious off-season patch-up work. What does that mean? It means that Ginn will likely benefit from not only more targets (he had 71 last year), but also from a competent QB who can consistently throw the ball in his general vicinity.

Is it that much of a stretch to think that Ginn could put up similar numbers to what Cotchery churned out in 2006? No. It’s definitely not. The stretch would lie in how much better you think Ginn could do. Cotchery was targeted 125 times as the WR2 but also benefited from having a superb receiver lining up opposite of him in Laveranues Coles. Ginn saw 71 targets last year as a rookie and it was a year in which he didn’t get much playing time until Chris Chambers left before Week 7.

I would say that 125 targets for Ginn is a basement estimate. With reports that Ronnie Brown may have to start the season at a snails pace thanks to his finger injury, the Dolphins are sure to lean on Pennington until Brown returns. No offense to Ricky Williams since I’m sure he’ll contribute somewhat, but I want to see how he looks during an actual game that means something. The guy is 31 years old and not counting last years disappointing six attempt season, hasn’t played a substantial amount of time in the NFL in what’s now approaching three years. If thinking the Dolphins are going to pass a lot makes me crazy then so be it. I don’t want to be sane.

In the interests of being realistic and not allowing the predictions to get out of hand, I say it’s safe to pencil in Ginn for at least 130 targets. Please note the ‘at least’ part of that statement. Out of the 130 balls thrown to him, say 10 get called back by penalties or are nullified for whatever reason. Chad Pennington’s career completion percentage is 65.6% but we’ll give age and a change in living situation the benefit of the doubt here and say he’ll complete 60% of his passes this year. That’s probably the bare minimum. Add in a quick entrance from our friend the calculator and that leaves us with the following projection:

2008 Projection

Ted Ginn Jr: 130 targets, 72 receptions, 900 yards, 6 TD’s

And that is being GENEROUS with the negative outside factors. Barring some type of major injuries to Ginn himself, Pennington or the offensive line, that stat line could very easily be achieved by Ginn unless he’s managed to lose his football talent somehow during the off-season.

Aaaand... scene!


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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
461 days ago
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Is there a reason you chose "pencil" over say.... "pen", "save to disk" or "tattoo"? Who uses a pencil these days?
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CrackajgDraft Pick
461 days ago
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Should my prediction be wrong, people can just erase it and say it never happened as opposed to coming to hunt me down and stab me with whatever other permanent alternate I could have chosen..
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Steel TownDraft Pick
461 days ago
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I'm in engineering, I use a pencil all day. Unfortunately because the pencil is a dying instrument, I find it very hard to find nice pencils anymore.
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JuTMSY4Legend
461 days ago
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heh, I work in insurance and still tend to use a pencil...not many others do, but I used one in school, so its just habit now...
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Tmil42AAA-er
461 days ago
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I use a carpenter pencil. They dominate, but you have to sharpen them with a knife, which, taking into account my poor coordination, can be dangerous.
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Taytay 24All-American
461 days ago
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As a lefty, I dumped the pencil as fast as I could in school--"graphite hand" sucks. I have to be fairly selective with pens, too--no wet ink roller pens. I'll take a utilitarian PaperMate or Bic, please.
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CheezerAll-Star
461 days ago
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Just because Ginn is classified as the WR1 in the Dolphins offense does not meean he is a WR1. He does not have a WR1 skill-set. He runs poor routes and cannot get separation. To top it off, he has hands of stone and can't catch anything. He is a speed receiver who should be used as a WR3 on third and long. Oh and he's also decent for returning kicks.
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CheezerAll-Star
461 days ago
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I just checked the Miami roster. I think the more likely beneficiary of the Pennington acquisition will probably be the 6'4" Ernest Wilford.
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JuTMSY4Legend
461 days ago
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If he's so speedy, wouldn't he be better suited to play the Y a la any moss not named randy?
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CrackajgDraft Pick
461 days ago
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Hands of stone? He only had 3 drops last year..
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CrackajgDraft Pick
461 days ago
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And Earnest Wilford apparently doesn't remember how to play football anymore. He's free falling his way down the depth chart.
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JuTMSY4Legend
461 days ago
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If Josh is right, the only way Ginn gets anything close to that yardage is through having a pretty large YAC. That being said, having a tight end (because that's what he really is, a fast tight end) at the WR position on one side and a speedy small guy on the other certainly makes a pennington led offense...not worse than last year I've always like chad pennington and under Parcells's guidance, he might have a small shot a redemption
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CheezerAll-Star
461 days ago
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Now we get into the fact that dropped passes are not an official statistic. According to the game tracking at Football Outsiders, Ginn's catch percentage is 48%

I don't know a thing about Wilford. All I know is that his catch rate is 61% and he's a big receiver. Always a good target in the redzone.
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CheezerAll-Star
461 days ago
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I would think that Y receivers are usually quick, shifty guys who can make good cuts and accelerate quickly. Ginn is not known for his ability to make cuts.
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CrackajgDraft Pick
461 days ago
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They could be right.. but I actually got mine from: http://stats...fb/index.asp -- awesome stats tool they have over there.
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Davis21wylieMVP
461 days ago
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To be fair, catch% isn't equal to (catches)/(catches + drops), it's equal to (catches)/(catches + targets). That's a big difference -- it's certainly possible that a poor catch % comes from a lot of drops, but more likely it comes from a number of other factors: poor route-running, an inaccurate QB, running a bunch of low-% fly routes, etc. As the designated "speedy home run hitter," you'd expect Ginn to have a much lower catch % than Wilford, the big possession WR, which is why catch % is kind of a misleading stat.

Call it the "Chris Chambers rule"... Chambers had an awful catch % in Miami because the QBs sucked, the coaches thought he was a #1 (he isn't), and they were forcing it to him all the time with little to show for it. Put him in San Diego as the 4th option in the passing game, though, and he's a nice little deep threat to have around. So context matters when looking at catch %, just like any other stat.
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JuTMSY4Legend
461 days ago
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Yeah, Schatz wrote about the Chambers thing last year (or was it 2 years ago)? Though if I remember correctly, Schatz did suggest that Chambers really did suck and had awful hands...
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CheezerAll-Star
461 days ago
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Yeah, thanks Davis. I gave more details in an IM to Cracka. I seem to be the only one questioning Ginn's abilities.
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Davis21wylieMVP
461 days ago
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No, don't get me wrong, Ginn does pretty much suck... He was a terrible reach at 9th overall, and he'll never be more than a return specialist who can pose an occasional deep threat. My only point was that his catch % is naturally going to be low because of his role in the offense. But you're right, he's not very good and he's not going to get much better.
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CrackajgDraft Pick
461 days ago
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I absolutely agree that Ginn could bust again. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me. I was just looking at Cotchery and Ginn's stats and suddenly an article busted out!


Although, I think it is relevant to bring up my past sleeper predictions. Mewelde Moore aside (yes, seriously), I did tell anyone who would listen since last years regular season that DeAngelo Williams would breakout this year. And it looks like he will.
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CheezerAll-Star
461 days ago
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You're not the only one to predict the breakout of DeAngelo Williams. The only thing holding him back is Jonathan Stewart.

In addition to him, I also think that Jerious Norwood could breakout given an opportunity. Unfortunately, the Falcons signed Turner to that huge contract. Once Turner blows a hammy trying to maintain RB1 workloads, it's Norwood's turn.
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KelsdadAll-Star
461 days ago
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You think it might have something to do with Pennington not being able to throw the ball more than 20 yards? Combined with Ginn's inability to run a pass route longer than 20 yards, he should find himself wandering around open in the seam way more than normal. He'll be the recipient of alot of secondary dump-offs.
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JuTMSY4Legend
461 days ago
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I think when you seen Ted Ginn on the field you should be thinking "Where's the Screen?"
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
461 days ago
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Only problem is that Pennington is an injury machine.
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Davis21wylieMVP
461 days ago
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True, his right arm is held together with little more than a combination of duct tape and chewing gum at this point.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
461 days ago
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Don't you DARE besmirch Duct Tape (a.k.a. Mexican Welding)!!!!
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Agent0Red-Shirting
461 days ago
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Wait. Ginn is super fast making him a great down field threat...Can Pennington throw that far?
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JuTMSY4Legend
461 days ago
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who said pennington was going to throw to him down there..take a look at kelsdad's comment above...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
461 days ago
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If Pennington throws the ball before the snap and throws it as far as he can, Ginn will still be 20 yards farther downfield than the throw. Chad Pennington is the NFL's answer to Jamie Moyer.
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JuTMSY4Legend
461 days ago
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Jamie Moyer is 46 years old, he's 11-7 with a 3.54 ERA and 157 IP...so he throws slow, big deal... he's getting it done
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
461 days ago
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Pennington is the NFL's all-time most accurate passer (completion pct), it was an accurate analogy. Since he's so accurate, I couldn't use Tim Wakefield in my analogy now, could I? Jeez, even breath a hint of an insult in the direction of a Phillie fan and they FREEK OUT!!! =)
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CheezerAll-Star
409 days ago
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Through 5 games: 16 receptions (67th), 129 yards (110th), 0TDs. The worst part of those stats is that they calculate to make Ginn, Jr. the 218th ranked receiver when it comes to average (8.06 yards per catch). I can't even determine who is in his realm of ineptitude. As I page through the receiving stats over at NFL.com, I see many RBs and TEs that have better production as a receiver than Ginn.

Maybe he's a late bloomer.
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CrackajgDraft Pick
408 days ago
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And you all were wondering why I suggested using a pencil...

Yeah, I apologize though Cheeze. I know you took him in one of your drafts, so hopefully most of the other people that you drafted haven't been perpetually underachieving wonders who have appeared as if they lost their football skills teddy.

But, I'm ready to eat my crow -- I have no problem with that -- so keep it coming. Hopefully Ginn will allow me to eat it with some french fries and ketchup by getting a decent amount of receptions, 200 yards and a TD the remainder of the year.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
408 days ago
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Well, this "production" is only marginally worse than Braylon Edwards (16 receptions, 249 yards, 2 TDs. Not exactly a winning formula from a guy who has a bet that he'll catch at least 16 TD passes.
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