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Who are the Best Players Down on the Farm in Baseball?

by Mlnsports
created June 18, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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This year, we would like your shiny two if you are out there in parts of North America where you see players in development regularly enough to know them well.

Every year at SZ, for the last six, we have put out the MLN FAB50 Baseball rankings of the top fifty players on the fast track to the majors or on the block for a deal, and the Ones2Watch companion list of players who are lower down in the farm but developing well and beginning to make their move.

Repeatedly we have kicked BA's sorry beauty contest because we don't have to kiss a lot of butts over at MLB. BA rankings get used to make deals, and they have to rank players largely by tool sets, just like the clubs' clipboard literati

The FAB50 goes beyond that by putting some reality into the process.  We look at the depth chart. Who is green capped by a big-dollar player with a long contract covering the position? Who has an opportunity to move on a trade?  How does the draft alter the landscape for a particular player in his organization.

We do this mid-season, rather than at the start, because we have solid track records and the June Draft to work with, along with the many hours that we spend talking to scouts, farm directors, coaches, managers, and now, you.

There are times when fans can point out something about a player whom they see every day that the numbers, or our evals from Spring Training, or our own beating of the bushers doesn't turn up.

Who do you see that you think is on the move?  To nominate them, remember a couple of things:

  1. Disabuse yourself of the notion that they have to be the best players. In past years, BA number ones like Delmon Young sat on the farm with issues while guys like Ian Kinsler, whom many  fans thought was a bum, went into the majors and stayed there.  The FAB50 is about making it to the show. Great tools are nice, but reasonable tools and the opportunity to advance still work;
  2. The high-dollar club may not be the place with the player on the move. The Yankees promotion system for pitchers is good. For position players it is nearly non-existent. Playing for Milwaukee, Pittsburgh or Florida, though, opens up lots of possibilities. In the middle the Boston Red Sox deliver both high-dollar and farm talent in a blend that keeps rings on their fingers;
  3. Exception or Rule - Jim Thome would have seemed to be a player that could hold his position. Ryan Howard, though, was that good, and send Thome packing. If you think that a minor league player is good enough to unseat a green cap player, then talk them up!

Thank you for your help!


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KelsdadAll-Star
527 days ago
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Baseball America is not owned by, nor otherwise affiliated with, ESPN.

As is the case with journalistic mediums with common interests, they will combine for promotional items on each others websites, they will share stories and/or personnel, but that is where the sharing ends.

Baseball America's Prospect Rankings are in no way, shape, or form influenced by any one individual, or group, at Major League baseball. The staff at BA takes scouting reports from the ML organizations and combines it with their own network of experts around the country and formulates their own list after lengthy and thorough disseminations. MLB does not influence the rankings based on anticipated callups, roster moves, or trades. They do not rate one guy higher in order to garner a better trade deal. They do not rank a guy lower in order to delay or otherwise hinder a callup.

Your diatribe on "green capping" is nothing new, it is not a scoop, it is not earth shattering info. Since the advent of free agency following the 1975 season, teams have been forced to make roster and lineup decisions based at times on contract status over talent. This is a 35 year trend, not a new discovery.

You post an article titled "Who are the Best Players down on the Farm in baseball" and name none. You provide a link to an article which is a year old.

Hardly responsible journalism, don't you think?
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MlnsportsVarsity Captain
525 days ago
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Kels:

BA took an ESPN/Disney minority investment about 5-6 years ago, at about the same time that Fox bought into Scout.com. That would be the "ESPN Partner" note that they feature on their website. They don't just have an agreement to kiss on the next date.

The Green Cap thing isn't new, true. It was just an explanation of what we do that differentiates us a bit from the normal beauty pageants. The link to the article was for less worldly, god-like creatures that read here.

Now this is where a good seventh-grade primer may come in handy: If you READ the piece here, beyond the headline, it is really a sounding board to solicit the opinion of readers from ArmchairGM on their thoughts as to players that might be of merit to make the list. The headline does not suggest an answer to the question. It merely asks the question. The misinterpretation is yours.

We do a lot of cross-checking. There are some fans here from minor league towns. It is always nice to verify the thinking of our scouts, farm directors, managers, general managers, agents, and owners that give us feedback throughout the year.

That is responsible journalism.

Perhaps you should find someplace other than AGM to park that big old chip on your shoulder. It is that kind of self-righteous negativity that does not serve this site well, and you are one of its principle, not principled, contributors.
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KelsdadAll-Star
523 days ago
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I will take Lee Folger's word over yours anyday. You're in over your head here, Brian.
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MlnsportsVarsity Captain
516 days ago
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Think whatever you want. I got it from the folks at ESPN who were shopping relationship deals back in the day. Lee may not know the specifics. There is a reason that ESPN's affiliation name shows up on BA's website, for example, and it's not because of their mutual love for each other.
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KelsdadAll-Star
516 days ago
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What do you mean, Lee won't know the specifics? He's the facking CEO, how would he not know? Come on, Brian, you clearly, and I assume unintentionally, posted an incorrect statement, which I merely corrected.

ESPN does not have a voting seat on the BA Board of Directors. They do not otherwise influence BA in any way on what appears in their pages or on their website. Their "5% investment" gives them rights to co-published information, such as Jayson Stark's column. That is all.

No matter how you spin this Brian, your statement that BA is owned by ESPN, or otherwise influenced by their parent company is factually incorrect.

Lee's quote to me when I forwarded your article to him;

"Must be someone trying to sell caps, or just someone with a computer who is mis-informed."

He is right on both counts.
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JuTMSY4Legend
516 days ago
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Speaking as a business person, you're blatant disregard for the control of a company versus an investment is dispicable...

1) "Baseball America, An ESPN Company" is downright false, BA is not a wholly subsidiary of ESPN

2) Assuming ESPN made a 5% stake in BA (to which I have yet to find corroboration) beyond that of "ESPN Partner" on their website. BA is (at least based on my very minor research) a privately owned company (with no such CEO, only a President)...so the possibility of a controlling stake is laughable

3) that being said, money talks and bullshit walks. Its not unfathomable to think ESPN could (in some way) exert some control via financing. but how and why just don't add up if you ask me...

4) You're Ryan Howard "greencapping" idea is fraudulent. Thome was injured and Howard was called up...no exception...Thome was out for over half a season and howard went on to hit 20+ home runs and during that time was much more marketable than Thome (proven by his MVP the following year)...

the reason howard stayed was pretty simple...he proved to do Thome's job better and was more marketable

But more importantly, he probably wouldn't be in the league today unless Thome got hurt...
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JuTMSY4Legend
516 days ago
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Also, at when I'm at work I have this saying: "Plausability and Possibility" Is it plausable that ESPN could somehow influence BA...sure...how possible is it? Not bloody likely
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