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Who Gagged on a Lays Potato Chip as Tom Brady Crumbled

by LastRow
created September 23, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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Here we are, two weeks into living in the LAB, (that’s short for Life After Brady) and one would’ve thought it’d be getting old by now ripping the Pats and their crybaby fans…That couldn’t be more further from the truth! Actually, it’s the whole reason why I wake up in the morning, well that and also because my freaking bladder is about to burst…Guys, you feel me on that one! Figurative speaking of course! Not literally…All you Pickle Pirates back the F-Off!

I’m guessing I’m not the only one who’s wearing my Bernard Pollard Fan Club nightshirt to bed every evening…For it brings me sweet dreams of seeing the Patriots season come crashing down as Bernard lunges for the Golden Boy, slowing falling to the turf. Bringing all the hopes of playing in Super Bowl XLIII with him.

Sweet dreams for me and many others that is who diSPIES. For those who are Pats fan, well, different story…And let me just say my heart pumps piss for you…It really does! Must admit though I get my rocks off as I rejoice watching you agonize! I really do!

Take this follow clip for example…Very amusing indeed, but around the 35 seconds the "Shock and Awe" look gets me going in my pants every time. Just something about a Pat fan choking to death on his Lays potato chip that I just find humorous!

Roll it…

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/23c38d474b

Some shit never gets too old!!!

A College Coach Celebrity Old Fart Death Match?" Who you got? Bobby Bowden or Joe Pa…Take time to stuff the LastRowSports.com Pick’em Poll ballot box! Besides it's good practice for the really shit in November...Although this for sure will be more rewarding!


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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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Phenomenally written stuff. "More further from the truth."
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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Sometimes the message matters more than the words.

You Grammarnazis can't enjoy the art of words for what it is. Take a step outside that box your brain lives in sometime and see LastRow for the true wordcrafter/storyteller he is...

Stop taking the fun out the fun because it's the only way you get to have fun - by making everyone as miserable as a Pats fan! Boo hoo! You Pats fans got exactly what you deserved - a reason to shut your clam chowder holes - and you still have to bitch and moan and whine...

BTW - "Phenomenally written stuff." IS A SENTENCE FRAGMENT, Shakespeare!!!

I can't wait until the Celtics come out limping and the Red Sox are a long lost memory... Boston fans - you're getting what you deserve - now take it JUST LIKE you dished it out...


++ NORM!!! - Keep up the great work as always you underappreciated bastard, you!
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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The grammar sucked, but it wasn't just that. The homophobic remarks followed by homoerotic sadism about Brady getting hurt was a bit odd. I don't know much about who LastRow is, but if he's over 13, I'd be shocked. Poor grammar is fine, but retard grammar is, well, retarded.


And what was the basic message? A team LastRow didn't like lost its best player. Wow, insightful, and certainly a first on AGM this season. And don't you always cry out for originality on this site, Mr. Stiles?


But you guys do make me laugh, so I'll give you credit for that. You hate Boston fans because we're classless braggarts. So you classlessy brag about the Patriots losing Brady. You bemoan our bandwagon fans, but by doing so have created your own bandwagon of haters, who have been quiet the past few years but are now crawling out of the woodwork ever since the Super Bowl.


And I actually had an awesome time at the game. Kicked a guy out, rode around on a golf cart with a couple State Police troopers intimidating fans in the parking lot. Full article to come. I honestly think you guys are the miserable ones. The highlight of your sporting year was a team you hate losing, and a player you hate getting hurt (except you Manny, your highlight is the Rays making the playoffs, a quality sports fan moment). I just think that's sad.
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LastRowAll-American
443 days ago
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Oh Boo Who...Still haven't gotten over Feb. 4, 2008 I see! All in due time, all in due time! Might help take the edge off by laughing a bit. And for the remark on my other diss of your Pats...Hate to info. you, but yeah your season is over bud! The Miami game was just the begining. Just out of curiousity, since you were there...Wer you one of the ones that booed your ass off, and left in the third quarter? If you were, my advice...Get use to it!
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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Rawb, LastRow is more "original" than ANYONE on this site... maybe the rest of the site COMBINED! He lives up to exactly what he aims to do EVERY time. And to toss out the baby (Pats fans) with the water (grammar) is the ONLY thing you got.

If you don't like his angle, don't act like a retard (your term) because his angle doesn't agree with yours.

Perhaps you should ponder his user name for about 20 seconds and "get" the joke instead of being one.

And if you want me to sum up what makes Boston sports fans so intolerable it's this - You think having a Sports Allegiance is a Fashion. Such a small percentage of Boston Sports fans have a minute CLUE about sports, you just know what and who is popular...

Brag all you want, talk about the games all you want, but it always comes back to the "Nation" mentality... You're in a herd of blind lemmings blaming the sun for not being bright enough as you head to the drop off...

Sports - if you were a fan of sports, you would know this - is cyclical. One minute you're on top of the wheel, the next you're under it... meanwhile, us true fans of sports sit in the middle and watch the whole deal spin around us while the douches on top scream "Weeee!" and the poor bastards on the bottom scream "Owwww!"

Unfortunately, Boston fans scream the whole time.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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Hey that's super, Manny. How dare I disobey with you and your all-knowing opinions? It's amazing how many words it takes you to say nothing.


Such a small percentage of ALL sports fans don't have a clue. But you choose to take your anger out on Boston because we're loud, and those of us that are true fans are vociferously enjoying a period of sporting success previously unseen in Boston. You simply can't stand that we're happy. That's pathetic.


Face it, Manny, you're a bandwagon hater.


LastRow, I actually left the Stadium about an hour after the game was over. And if the Pats are "done" then so be it. Are we supposed to lose the MVP of the League and still win? Try to think about what you're actually happy about... a freak play resulting in a player getting injured. Have some more pride. At least last season, we lost with our best. You haters had legitimate reason to be happy. Now if we lose, it's no big deal, at least not to me or any other Pats fan, because we're not supposed to win now.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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disagree with^
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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How did I say "nothing"? Because you can't comprehend the simple truths in which I speak?

Boston Sports = Fashion, not Sports...

There's a BIG difference between bandwagons and cultural trends.

I'm not a bandwagon hater, I'm an idiot hater.

Now, give me your snappy comeback how you're not just like the rest of the fanbase you always feel compelled to defend yet can't explain why...
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JuTMSY4Legend
443 days ago
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Hmm...

Well:

Manny's right about Lastrow, his stuff generally doesn't jive with anyone...he just writes from the lastrow...he's one of the least swayed users to the whims of AGM

I'm not sure why anyone attempts to bicker about who's a better fan...anyone who this site is clearly a fan (except FP, total bandwagon jumper ha!), but to sit here and question my, or Rawb's or Tmil (just an example!) fanhood, is ludicrous and frankly kind of pointless...

Atlanta Braves fans are different...

As far as the Pats thing...meh, over that now...my only schadenfreude is from A) giving the eagles a better shot if they make it anywhere (w/o Westy and McNizzle, could be trouble) and B) I personally, don't have to listen to a lot of the Pats banter in boston. Namely the most annoying bangwagoneers (who are now done) and the pink hat brigade...

And while we're on the topic Rawb...while I loathe fans leaving until the end of the game (and every fan base does this during blowouts, even blowout wins), I can't believe the Pats and others are upset about the team getting booed...

That defense deserved to get booed. for the price of a ticket, you expect some type of good play...and stuff like that, IMO, deserves some fan frustration...
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JuTMSY4Legend
443 days ago
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Manny, what do you mean by idiot hater? ; - )
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LastRowAll-American
443 days ago
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Thanks for the fanfare Ju
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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Idiots - People who are obliviously know-it-all, diehard, bleed their team colors fans of their ("our/we") team but can't hold an insightful conversation about the SPORT or any other teams in said sport... it always revolves about how great of fans they are.


They don't respect the games and need a winner in their otherwise meaningless life to connect to in order to feel worthy of life.

I couldn't care less about bandwagon fans. Popularity breeds success, I get that. It's the 'idiots' that know everything about Dustin Pedroia but can't name another second baseman in the bigs or shave their head and grow an ugly goatee to look like "Youk" that irritate me. It's the schmucks that wore their Brady jersey to Fenway a month ago but buried in the closet last week.

It's the morons that tell you how awesome their team is because they sell out every home game yet fail to grasp the concept that it's easier to sell out the SMALLEST capacity park in MLB. Morons who can't fathom the concept that their precious home stadium is a dump and hasn't led their league in attendance since 1978!!! Hell, the Red Sox are a whopping FOURTH - in the AL - in attendance THIS year... which is TENTH overall in MLB... 10th!!! Even the BREWERS draw more people at home... Remmeber the Sawx have baseball's highest average attendance on the road - that's RIGHT, the Red Sox draw more people on the road than at home - because of the idiots all over America...It's "fashionable" to be a Red Sox fan. It's not a bandwagon because - well, they're a second place team, aren't they?


It's like all of Derek Jeter's fans spawned and the offspring became Red Sox fans.

It's no different than the schmucks who talk non-stop about their favorite Presidential candidate when they can't explain a single thing either one of them has done before 2008.

Bandwagon fans say "Go team", idiots try to defend an entire fan base of fellow idiots... first by saying they're not one of them then by NOT giving any factual sport information.

Take a time amchine back ten years and I bet 97% of the idiots were Yankees fans, etc...
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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Well actually, mister "it's important to know about the sport and not just your team," the Marlins', Athletics', Pirates' and Rays' ballparks all have smaller capacities than Fenway.


In my opinion, anyone that judges by a group is pretty simple. Do the Red Sox have the best or worst fans in baseball? How the hell can anyone answer that? How does one define a good baseball fan? Does loyalty outweigh knowledge of the game or vice versa? What if 10% of a fanbase are perfect fans, but 90% are stupid and disloyal? Does that make for a good fanbase, or a bad one?


I remember making fun of my friend because she had a turquoise Red Sox hat. I told her how much it irritated me that she probably didn't know where the Red Sox AAA affiliate was, or where Manny Ramirez played before Boston. Then she asked a simple question: "Why do you care? What does it matter how big a fan I am? Can't you just enjoy the game?"


If Boston didn't have a baseball team, I probably wouldn't watch baseball. And so what? So I don't worship baseball as some sacramental ritual. I like it, it's a good game, but I don't watch games unless I care about who wins. I guess that makes me a horrible sports fan... in your opinion.


I don't know about anyone else, but I don't watch sports in an effort to be a good fan. I watch sports to relax, have fun, be entertained, maybe even feel a little bit of civic pride. But in the end, it's just a game. That's why I had fun at the Pats game on Sunday, even though we lost. That's why I enjoyed the Bruins' playoff series against Montreal, even though we lost.


I don't think I'm in the "idiot" class you've described, Manny, nor do I think you think I'm in it. But let the idiots be idiots. Sports are sports, they're not religion. You won't go to hell if you don't know who plays left field for the Tigers.


Or you can stay on that pedestal you've built for yourself and proclaim how much better you are than every sports fan in the world. We probably won't be able to hear you in Boston, because we'll be having fun watching our sports.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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Jut: completely agree with you about the booing. It's Miami. And it wasn't a 19-17 game or anything like that. The Pats were fortunate to lose by only 25 points, they were dominated so badly. Belichick put it best in his press conference:


"We dominated in the kicking game. That's about it."


I'm not one to leave early, but I can understand the frustration. We also shut down the alcohol 10 minutes (real time, not game time) into the 2nd half, so lots of people probably wanted to drink their anger away in the parking lots, or maybe beat the traffic to watch the 4:15 games. Still, you should stay to the end, at the very least you can boo the Pats coming off the field.
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KelsdadAll-Star
443 days ago
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Sports is like food, the 2007 Patriots are the best meal you ever had, the next day, (2008), it's shit.

The 1995-2007 Yankees are like a thirteen course tasting, start good, everything gets better and better, then, (2008) it's shit.

The Rays are like eating at a crap buffet, then stopping on the way home at Cheesecake Factory. Afterwards though, its still shit.

Lets take things as they are, OK?
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JuTMSY4Legend
443 days ago
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Yeah Rawb, I dunno if it was clear (reread my comment), but I agree, I think its weak if you leave early, no matter the score Anyways, I know Manny, myself and many others piled on about Brady, but don't toss LastRow in the group, the guy's (guys?) here a lot but mostly just writing and a few comments in his articles...don't confuse his stuff with all the bullshit banter amongst the other regulars.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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For me, the 2004 Red Sox was the best meal I've ever had. Even if the Patriots had gone 19-0, the '04 Sox World Series was the best moment in my sports life. Because before Renteria grounded out 1-3, I did't think it was possible for the Red Sox to win a World Series.
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JuTMSY4Legend
443 days ago
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and the boston media and a few pats are plan ridiculous...I'm sorry, but if you suck, allow fans to drop $150 (just for tickets) and totally blow against one of the 5 worst teams in the NFL you friggin' deserve it...they should have booed more...
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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Jut: I don't lump you guys in with the likes of LastRow, or even SSR. I consider you and Manny and even Kelsdad to be intelligent sports fans, who just so happen to despise the teams I love.
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JuTMSY4Legend
443 days ago
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So the Eagles 2004 Super Bowl run ended with McNabb indigestion? 102306mcnabbpuking-01.gif
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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True, people critical of the booing should be more critical of the way we played Sunday. Fans go to Gillette Stadium and expect a quality experience and a quality product. They didn't get that on Sunday.
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Bobbyjim45Draft Pick
443 days ago
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Ellis Hobbs was complaining about Pats fans booing on Sunday. My question is what right does he have to criticize the fans? His defense sucked, and if you suck you get booed. That would happen absolutely anywhere. Fans pay good money to be in the seats and they cheer when the team does well and boo when they suck. Yeah, it sucks that we don't have Tom Brady, but does Hobbs think that gives them a free pass to play like shit all year? If that's what he thinks then maybe Kraft just shouldn't cut him a paycheck this year...
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Bobbyjim45Draft Pick
443 days ago
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And leaving early is unacceptable, I wouldn't have done it but what're you gonna do? The bottom line is that most of those people were way more concerned about beating the rush than watching garbage time. And by the way, who really cares about which team has good fans and bad fans? Every team has bandwagon fans and fans who don't know anything. Ranking fan bases is just something that ESPN came up with to connect with people. It's like arguing over Who's Now...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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Rawb - this is why you are a waste of my time and effort-


mister "it's important to know about the sport and not just your team," the Marlins', Athletics', Pirates' and Rays' ballparks all have smaller capacities than Fenway.

REALLY?

Tropicana's capacity is 45,000 - they had 45,369 at their first game. When the Rays get to the World Series, they will open the top seating sections back up to patrons.

Oakland (Game 1 ALDS against Boston, 50,606 attendance) and Miami (Game 5, 2003 World Series, 65,975 attendance - are both FOOTBALL stadiums and each have capacities WELL over 50,000 people - Oakland's park can handle 75,000 people!

Only Pittsburgh is smaller than Fenway at 38,365, only by a few hundred and that's only because they've ADDED seats in Fenway the last two years... take away the obstructed views at Fenway and we'll call it even?!?!? Hate to tell you this but PNC is infinitely a better park for baseball than Fenway.

Don't confuse "sellout" with capacity.

And no, I won't even bother to read the rest of the garbage you have spewed in your "defense" of the obvious truths I presented.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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Gee, I'm really gonna miss your time and effort. Whatever shall I do without those things?


You make good points. Florida, Tampa Bay, and Oakland could squeeze more people in there if there were sufficient demand for tickets. Nevertheless, as you admit, Pittsburgh holds fewer fans.


"It's the morons that tell you how awesome their team is because they sell out every home game yet fail to grasp the concept that it's easier to sell out the SMALLEST capacity park in MLB."


And yet you fail to grasp the concept that although Fenway is small (not the smallest, which you also failed to grasp), it's also the most expensive. If the Brewers charged what the Sox charge for tickets/parking/food, their attendance figures would plummet.


And I never said Fenway was better than any other park for baseball, just that it wasn't the smallest. And it isn't. You said it was. It is not. You're wrong. You can't admit that you're wrong. Even about something so small and trivial. Another shining example of maturity and intelligence from Mr. Stiles.


"And no, I won't even bother to read the rest of the garbage you have spewed in your "defense" of the obvious truths I presented."


The sign of someone with no real faith in their arguments, or as he calls them, "obvious truths." Because every opinion of Manny Stiles is an obvious truth. And when those truths are challenged, or merely categorized as subjective personal opinions; he'll either insult you, or run away, as he's done here.


Bye bye.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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You keep confusing "opinion" with "knowledge"... let me remind you:

"I don't watch games unless I care about who wins." - Rawbeezeitz, 2008 with his team in second place.

"Sports is my crack, Armchair is my pipe" - Manny Stiles - 2007 with his team having the worst record in the game.


I have knowledge of the game backing my opinions - this is why you don't see me offering my "opinions" in soccer articles. This is why I write about the WNBA and people offer their "opinions" in comments...

Regardless of our "allegiances" - the difference in our "fanships" is VERY simple.

I use my love and knowledge and experience and practical understanding of the games.

YOU have opinions...
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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I can't have knowledge of the game because the reason I watch the game is different from you? That makes tons of sense.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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You watch it because you live near a city that has a team. You said so yourself! Is your "knowledge" geography????


You don't care about the game, you only care about who wins! There's more to sports than wins and losses!


Just give up. You aren't going to win this "argument" because it isn't one. It's you trying to rationalize something you do that you never took the time to understand.

You root for the teams that play near you - awesome. But the proof in this thread is - you don't talk about sports - you just argue with rational thoughts and call them opinions.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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I actually am pretty good at geography.


See, I don't rationalize what I do for fun, to myself, and certainly not you. Because that wouldn't be fun. I'm in the middle of reading Moby Dick right now. Why? Who knows? Why is it that I enjoy reading an old book about a guy and a whale? I could spend my time trying to figure it out, or I could read the book and have fun doing so.


This thread hasn't been a discussion about sports at all. It's been about fans, specifically you and I.


You're a fan of baseball. That's great. I like baseball too. But without a rooting interest, I don't like it nearly as much as I do now. I like playing it, but I'm not gonna watch the Cubs play the Diamondbacks just for the sake of worshipping a game. That's me. You don't like it, fine. I love it, so I'm gonna keep doing it.


But I don't even think you're a fan of the game. I think you're a fan of being a fan. You like lording your fanship over people because you follow the WNBA. We're all really impressed.


I don't like the WNBA. I don't really like basketball that much, at least not pro basketball. That's why I'm not much of a Celtics fan. I hate lacrosse, so I could give two shits about the Boston Cannons.


What bugs me is that you're so intolerant of me and my opinions because I view sports in a different way than you. I think Babe Ruth was the best player in history (I didn't say ever) because he was a great hitter and an above average pitcher (his 2.28 ERA is impressive compared to modern ERAs, it's not much better than contemporary ERAs. The average ERA from his playing time was 2.77. And the more ABs he had, the worse his ERA got). But because I'm a fan of baseball thanks to the Red Sox and not purely for love of the game, I guess that lessens the value of my baseball opinions.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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My argument was: I'm not an idiot.


Your counterargument was: Yes you are, you proved it.


I've never eaten chowder in my life. I hate it. It smells awful.


Why did I comment? Because I felt like it.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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^ this is supposed to be down under another comment.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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I am not a "fan". I love the games that I PLAYED.

While you watch the games, I know what it was like to be in them.

I watch games WISHING I WAS IN THEM STILL. Hell, I'd go out an ball with the WNBAers IN A HEARTBEAT!


Fan schman. This is ridiculous.

You don't have ANY idea what I watch when I go to a game or watch a game on TV. I know what the players are thinking and I know what they are anticipating, I can tell how well they were scholled in the fundamentals just by how they stand or where their eyes are between plays.

You think I am a FAN???? I LOVE the games because I played them, thought I would always play them, but didn't get the breaks or health I needed and still EVERY DAY have that passing thought... maybe I could come back...? When I finally give up the "dream" I'll coach because I want to pass on that love that my coaches passed on to me.

A fan.... please. If it wasn't for some crazy scheme I concocted to shut up a dipshit Yankees fan, I wouldn't have a "favorite" team.

Do you think I can sit down and talk to 80-some-year old ex-players or even current players and talk about baseball (or basketball) because "I'm a fan?"

I played more baseball and basketball in my life than you have video games. THAT is why i have "knowledge" of the sports. APPLICABLE knowledge.

Fan? I don't cheer the games, I don't collect autographs, I don't fawn over dudes doing what I wish i was doing right now - playing sports --- I live the games.

Ricidulous!
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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"You don't have ANY idea what I watch when I go to a game or watch a game on TV."


And you have no clue what I watch when I go to a game or watch it on TV. So why don't you stick to the stuff you know. I don't know what it's like to be a player. You don't know what it's like to be a fan.
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KelsdadAll-Star
443 days ago
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Was Tom the oldest one? I can't keep the three of them straight, for some reason. And speaking of the Brady's, have you seen Marcia lately? Looks like she's trying to score the next Jenny Craig spokeswoman gig.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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If Boston didn't have a baseball team, I probably wouldn't watch baseball. - Rawbeezeitz.

THAT is EXACTLY my point! Sums it up perfectly.

This statement is EXACTLY why someone can say - "shut up, you're opinion on this sport doesn't matter!". There IS a level of fanship. Sure, everyone is entitled to their "opinions" but not everyone shares the same education on every topic.

So the next time you jump into a conversation about baseball and I remind you that you're a bandwagon idiot and you say you're not, remember who your "we" would be if there was no team in Boston - NO ONE!


Just like you could do the same if I said I was a Chelsea fan because I once dated a girl named Chelsea!

How can you have fun "watching your sports teams" when the only reason you watch them is because they're there? You don't care about the sport. When they ("we") do good you pay more attention, when they ("They") do bad you go back into your shell. That's not fanship, that's FASHION. You're a hanger-on, a basker in reflected glory.

Real fans love the sport first and their team second. YES, there IS a difference in why people enjoy their favorite teams.


Look at me, I didn't even HAVE a favorite team until last year -because I love baseball, not some billionaire owner's particular investment's logo.

Are you such a soccer fan because of the Revolution or because you like some team in Europe's pretty colors??
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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I'm not a bandwagon fan. I think my fanship of the Bruins proves that beyond the shadow of a doubt. And my relative lack of fanship with the World Champion Boston Celtics further confirms that.


I've been a Red Sox fan longer than I can remember. I have the ticket stubs to prove it. You still can't fathom that, because that contradicts your "obviously true" opinions.


I'm not an idiot. You might think I am, but your opinions concerning me are laughably simple, ignorant, and typically incorrect.


"How can you have fun "watching your sports teams" when the only reason you watch them is because they're there?"


Why do I enjoy driving fast? I don't know. I don't care. That's the thing about fun, Manny, you don't have to think about it. You enjoy something, so you do it. Unlike you, I'm a fan because it's enjoyable, not because I think my fanship makes me better than everyone else.


I chose to be an Arsenal fan because they play in London and have a cool name. I enjoy watching soccer, but without a rooting interest, it's like watching paint dry. The Revolution play in a minor league. I enjoy watching games played at their highest level. I watch the World Poker Tour on TV, I wouldn't watch my neighbor's home game.


You're obviously a better sports fan than me. Congratulations. You've won a competition that only you think is a competition. You're a real winner.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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Oh, I think you proved how much of an idiot you are... Phenomenally written stuff.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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Outstanding counterargument.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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Again with the "argument"??? Who is arguing with you?

"Phenomenally written stuff." "If Boston didn't have a baseball team, I probably wouldn't watch baseball." "Bye bye."

I am AGREEING with you!

Why did you comment on this article to begin with?


Because you're one of those whiny Boston sports fans that says "everyone's jealous" when other people make fun of your teams.

Dude, we're NOT jealous! We're LOVING it!

Now if you would just shut your chowder hole and stop defending your "Nation" by acting like a troll, I could enjoy a Pats loss and a guy choking on a potato chip in relative peace...
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KelsdadAll-Star
443 days ago
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Not taking sides or saying whose definition of a fan is right, but;

Manny and I have had several conversations around the Rays minor leaguers. We both like a Triple A relief pitcher named Calvin Medlock, outside his immediate family, only "real" fans know who he is.

Anyone can name ten other major league second baseman, can you name the six starting minor league second baseman in your own organization?

Jed Lowrie sucks. I've been saying that for a year. How do I know? I've seen him play. Me seeing a guy play is far different than most people, because I have more "training" in the area of what makes a player good, or makes him suck.

The casual fan thinks he's a good player because he is in the major leagues.

I've been saying for three years Melky Cabrera sucks, too. Every time I posted a comment around that, some bandwagon Yankee fan ripped me a new one, defending him because he was a Yankee.

Guess who got send down this year?
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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My argument was: I'm not an idiot.


Your counterargument was: Yes you are, you proved it.


I've never eaten chowder in my life. I hate it. It smells awful.


Why did I comment? Because I felt like it.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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KD, I've never said Manny isn't a fan. You and him know more about baseball than I do. You guys follow it more closely than I, and you both played it much more than myself. I have no problem with Manny being the kind of fan he is. None. To me it isn't "right fan" vs. "wrong fan." It's one kind of fan and another kind of fan.


If I said something like "Jed Lowrie's good," it'd be a poor opinion because it isn't supported with anything. I think Lowrie's done a good job for the Sox thus far (although he's slumping big time as I'm sure a scouting book has developed on him). But I've also been subjected to Julio Lugo the past few years, so maybe he just seems decent by comparison.


But let's say I make a case for Craig Biggio to be in the Hall of Fame, and support it by comparing him to other Hall of Fame 2nd basemen, then my opinion has some weight. And just because you and Manny know more about the game, doesn't mean my opinion is automatically wrong, and yours is right.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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KD, how do we explain this to people?


Have your opinoins. Love your local teams. FINE!

But you're watching COMPLETELY different things, a completely different game than you are!

Most fans look at the scoreboard to tell them what's happening.

We can watch the player's body language, their eyes, their feet and hands and tell you what's GOING to happen.


It's why former players are good analysts and fans/journalists/comedians aren't... there's more to 9 innings, or 60 or 48 minutes than what ESPN highlights show you!


Nice Calvin Medlock shout out. =)
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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I'm NOT a fan!!!

I don't root!!! I enjoy!!!

I stare at the players on the field and think - "I could have struck you out", or "3-2 count? This is where you'd get my circle change, asshole!"

The main reason I want the Rays to win it all isn't because I'm "rooting for them", it's because I met them and got to know them a little and understand the organization from the inside and see the players who were developing and I want to rub it in everyone's face that "Hey, I saw this coming from a million miles away and you all shrugged it off because you are stuck in the past and you don't understand baseball!"

If they lose, do you think I won't fall asleep exactly the same?


Seriously, when I was getting scouted by MLB scouts at age 18 and 19 I realized there was no point in having a favorite team because my team color was green - whoever paid me.


I LOVE BASEBALL (and basketball) - the sports. Whether it's a Pro league, a Japanese league, a Women's league or playing with my kids every day - I am NOT a "fan", I am a participant in the event!


And that's why my wife nudged me into writing about sports. I AM a fan of journalism (or at least, what it USED to be)
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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"I am NOT a "fan", I am a participant in the event!"


This is exactly what I'm talking about. You put yourself on a higher level than all us lowly fans. You think we just look at the scoreboard. You think I couldn't read Adalius Thomas' interception (and subsequent touchdown) against the Chargers week 2 last year before it happened because, I'm just a fan?


I'm not saying you don't have an intimate wisdom of the game, something most fans lack. But that doesn't make you better than those fans. And it sure as shit doesn't mean you're the only one with this wisdom.


And the participants are those in uniform on the field. You can try to convince yourself that you are, and by doing so convince yourself you're superior to the 30,000 lowly fans around you. But you're not.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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Rawb... perhaps all men are created equal.

But do we stay that way??

Yes, I understand baseball more than the "fans" do. Sometimes i truly believe I understand it more than many of the players and even some of the coaches. Sue me.

All men are created equal - all opinoins ARE NOT.
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Tmil42AAA-er
443 days ago
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I know some second basemen
  • Kelly Johnson- ATL
  • Luis Castillo- NYM
  • Chase Utley- PHI
  • Dan Uggla- FLA
  • Emilio Bonifacio- WAS
  • Mark DeRosa- CHI
  • Rickie Weeks/Ray Durham- MIL
  • Adam Kennedy/Felipe Lopez- STL
  • Kaz Matsui- HOU
  • Freddy Sanchez- PIT
  • Brandon Phillips- CIN

I could keep going, but I don't want to.


And if I wasn't a Mets fan, I probably wouldn't watch baseball after the 8th inning of a 7-1 game.
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RomiezzoLegend
443 days ago
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I don't know about you guys, but the two sports that I truly love (baseball and basketball) are sports that I'll always be extremely passionate about. Football and soccer are sports that I like and pay attention to, however, I wouldn't say I'm passionate about them.

I'll just tell you right now that I was not a fan of any of these Boston teams in 2003. I used to watch any baseball/basketball game possible just because I liked the games of the respective sports themselves. If I like a sport, I can't just like the team. I prefer being called an MLB fan more than a Red Sox fan... an NFL fan more than a Patriots fan, etc.

I root for every single Boston team for one reason and one reason only: they are what I call my HOME team. No other reason. However, I appreciate the games of all of these sports and the fact that every player that steps onto those fields, courts, etc. is giving it their all, and that history could be made any day. Every day is another interesting day in sports.

And to Stiles, I know Rawb loves the Boston teams, but I'm sure you know deep down that his opinion matters. You're right: there IS some level of fanship, and people who just root for a team and know nothing about the sport are ranked at the bottom. However, Rawb does know his stuff... especially about Boston sports.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
Score 1+-
If Boston didn't have a baseball team, I probably wouldn't watch baseball.

That is not an opinion on baseball I can respect.

That is like saying "Because I live near a nurse, I am a doctor"

or... "Because I can beat my little sister at Madden, I am a football player"

Look, like what you want, cheer for what you want to cheer for but don't think your opinions about sports are valid just because everyone is entitled to an opinion.

I got no problem with Patriots fans or Red Sox fans, etc... This is not Manny VS. the State of Masschusetts.


This is simply a guy sharing a story bashing the Pats because it's damned funny and a typical Pats/Red Sox fan ready to take offense at every corner because he can only have joy in his life through the success of others.

Bandwagonry. Not fanship.

Last Row has been pumping out articles forever - and NAILS exactly what he's aiming for every time and because it's about the Pats - and because Rawbee lives near Boston - which is near Harvard, so suddenly he's an English professor too - takes offense and has to take away the fun that article was all about.


"Boo Hoo, I'm a Pats fan!", "If you pick on me, I'll spout out a whole bunch of shit that doesn't have to do with the article OR sports to show how awesome "WE" are..."

Root Root Root for the home team all you want - but if you take offense to accusations, 99% of the time it's because they are TRUE.

That's why the "intelligent" Boston sports fans that don't have to have simple facts explained to them in detail don't get offended. An intelligent football fan would see this post chuckle at most and not give it a second thought - as every other LastRow article seems to do. But it struck a chord...

Did Rawb say "Man that video could have been so much better. I know all about making movies and here's what it lacked..."

No, he defended ALL Pats fans by saying he stayed for the whole game.... HELLO?!?!?! Was it because you HAD TO???

For a guy that claims to be so much more intelligent than the fan base he constantly represents he sure picks and chooses the stupidest and most-stereotypical things to say and defend.

Root for your home team, but if you're gonna talk about "WE", perhaps you can add more "them" than "you" next time.
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RomiezzoLegend
443 days ago
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Well, it depends on how you look at it, really. I wouldn't say I don't respect his opinion: I disagree with it... mainly because I have such passion for the sports that I truly love. That's just my way of thinking.

People say that in order to appreciate the game more, you need to become a fan of a certain team in that sport. That could be an example of what Rawb did. And what better team to choose than his own home team?

I believe everyone is entitled to an opinion. EVERYONE. It could be valid no matter who you are. If you have logical reason behind your opinion, I'd say it's a good opinion. It's just that some opinions are more appreciated than others. For example, I'm not a fan of cricket, but when South Africa won the championship, I had an opinion about it.

No more "We"s!!!!!!
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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"That is like saying "Because I live near a nurse, I am a doctor"

or... "Because I can beat my little sister at Madden, I am a football player""


I honestly can't remember the last time I've seen worse comparisons. Come on, Manny. Are you tired or something? You can do better than that.


"he can only have joy in his life through the success of others."


That's why I had fun on Sunday, when we lost...


"but if you take offense to accusations, 99% of the time it's because they are TRUE."


Can you actually support that stat with anything other than your token "obvious truths?" If I called you a wife-beater, you'd just ignore me? You wouldn't deny it?


I didn't defend all Patriot fans. I have to stay at the game until well after it's over. LastRow asked if I was one of those who left. I wasn't, so I said I wasn't. If you look above, you'll see me criticizing the people that left the game early.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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A perfect comparison - you live near the Red Sox and Patriots, so you're the "expert" - after all, it's because you live near them that you even care about their respective sports. If you didn't live near them you wouldn't have your job as usher...

If you called me a wife beater I'd laugh at you then go slap my wife for having you mention her. If I got pissed at YOU for calling me that, what are the odds it's true?? I'll stick to 99%. Here's something being around innocent little children and a lifetime of being around messed up adults has taught me...

It's human nature for people to defend their guilt, they don't defend their non-guilt because they don't know there's something to defend... yes, 99% - it's basic math, Rawbee.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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You just defended your whole 99% theory, so odds are it's untrue?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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"Outstanding counterargument."
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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Now you got offended by me, so that's two 99:1 shots against your theory being true. That's about 9,800:1 right there. Not looking good.


You can't counter bullshit with sense. You pull a number out of your ass, how can one say it isn't true. I have a rock that keeps tigers away. I know it keeps tigers away because there has never been a tiger near it. Based on my own personal experience, the rock works 99% of the time.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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And I never said living near the Red Sox made me an expert. Never said anything remotely close to that. Now you're just making shit up.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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Yeah, Rawb... okay...


I'm countering whatever you say with whatever you say... you got me!


I'm sooooo offended. Just like I got offended the last time I talked to an imaginary brick wall...


In order to use rational thought, one must be thinking rationally, Rawb. Clearly it's past your bedtime...
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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If you're so unoffended, why have you stayed here after saying you were leaving? And if you're unoffended, why are you offended at being labelled as offended?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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Ummm Rawb, I never said I was "leaving" I only said that I was wasting my time. Which again you have proven me correct.


Are you that drunk and in need of a fight? Maybe if you had an ex-girlfriend to call???
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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Well, it's just plain fun getting under your skin, and getting you all worked up.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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As long as you believe that...

You got me so flustered. I'm perturbed and disheveled.

Mission Accomplished, you came you saw, you got under my skin...
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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I also enjoying exposing you as the conceited and illogical fan that you are. And you are a fan, don't try to kid yourself about that. Sorry, buddy, but you're not better than any of us. Maybe one day you'll be able to grasp and accept that.


I'm tired, time for bed. Goodnight, Manny. Always a pleasure.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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Like I said, as long as you believe that, Rawb...
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KelsdadAll-Star
443 days ago
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So, Rawb, if you moved to Seattle, would you become a fan of the local teams, or would you still root for the Sox and Pats?

I've lived in Arizona 16 years, and I'm still a Yankee, Ranger, Knick and Jets fan. I enjoy going to Dbacks and Coyotes and Suns games, and root for them because they're the home team, but I'm not a "fan".

The Yanks loss in the 2001 World Series was FAR worse for me than losing to the Sox in the 2004 playoffs. Losing to the Dbacks was like losing to a minor league team. There is no embarrassment losing to the Red Sox, its not the greatest rivalry in sports for nothing, and things like that is what keeps it going.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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If I moved to London would I call myself an Englishman? I'm from Massachusetts. I've lived in 3 different towns in my life to this point. The one in New York had more Red Sox fans in it than Yankees or Mets fans. It isn't that the Sox/Pats/Bruins are close to me, it's that they're close to my home.


Let's go with the Seattle theory, though. I have no animosity toward the Seahawks. Hasselbeck went to my high school so I guess I kind of like them. They're in a different conference from the Pats (all those teams in Arizona are similarly separated with your New York teams), so I could see going to a game and wanting Seattle to win.


I also like Buffalo a bit because my dad was from there, even though he didn't like football too much. But I don't root for them unless they're already out of the AFC East race, or are playing the Jets. Or in the past when the Patriots would be out of the AFC race.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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I don't care what the colors or emblems are - because in these days and times the 2004 Red Sox are just as easily the 2008 Dodgers, I just want to see a good game every time - that's why you're there.


Rawbee, go see a therapist because this was fun and all, but really... it wasn't.


You have personal issues you need to contend with and I'm sorry, I can but won't do that for you.... seek the proper attention, not just ANY attention, kay?


You're essentially a troll craving an argument over nothing and I wasted MORE than enough time five minutes after you said "Bye Bye"...


I'm sure we'll catch up on these simple concepts again and you'll "wit-fully" reply why "you have opinions, there you am"...
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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"go see a therapist"


Says the man with the superiority complex.


Watch for low bridges on that high horse.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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Phenomenally written stuff. "More further from the truth." Speaking of horses with complexes...
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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Thought you were leaving.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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No, I just had sex with my wife while you were busy having your fun "getting under my skin"... Now, let me put my therapist hat back on and you can tell me about your childhood as a Red Sox fan...
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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That's super. At least I haven't gotten under your skin to the point at which you have to brag about fucking your own wife in an online sports forum in order to make yourself feel better.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
443 days ago
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Excuse me? I don't "fuck" my wife, asshole.

I make love to her. Maybe making love requires a lot of good fucking but those are not words that should come out of one man's mouth about another man's wife.

You should learn some respect.
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AmphibiousSportsDuoVarsity
442 days ago
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Rawb, you could always send Bernard Pollard (before he fades into Bolivian) over to Manny's house to take out her knee so Manny has to do the cooking. It's hard to have a superiority complex wearing an apron whipping up Beefaroni for the third time in a week.
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