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When the Yankees Almost Traded Waite Hoyt for Eddie Collins

by LouGehrig
created June 24, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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by Harold Friend

Waite Hoyt replaced Babe Ruth when the Babe left Boston’s starting rotation to play the outfield full-time. Hoyt had pitched one game for the New York Giants in 1918 and then joined the Red Sox the following season. In December 1920, Waite Hoyt was sent to the Yankees in a multi-player deal. With the Yankees, Hoyt became a top starter, winning 19 games in both 1921 and 1922, but after losing the World Series to the Giants each of those seasons, the Yankees were looking to make changes.

Hoyt Becomes Expendable

On January 23, 1923, they acquired lefty Herb Pennock from the Red Sox, which made Waite Hoyt expendable. The trade put fourteen former Yankees on the Red Sox’ roster and eleven former Red Sox on the Yankees’ roster. The addition of Pennock gave the Yankees six starters -- Shawkey, Jones, Mays, Bush, Hoyt, and Pennock. Only Shawkey, who was obtained from Philadelphia, hadn’t pitched for Boston.


Eddie Collins Trade Rumors

A month earlier, there had been rumors that the Yankees were interested in obtaining Chicago second baseman Eddie Collins. The Yankees didn’t deny the rumors and various names were bandied about, including Yankees’ outfielder Bob Meusel. Collins was thirty six years old and considered past his prime, but the Yankees believed he still had two or three good seasons left. They also felt that he would be an excellent clubhouse influence.

The White Sox Wanted Hoyt

At the baseball meetings in Chicago, the trade talks heated up, with the Yankees and White Sox apparently agreeing on the players to be exchanged, but then the Sox demanded that Waite Hoyt be included in the deal. Yankees’ manager Miller Huggins refused to trade Hoyt unless the Yankees received nineteen-year-old pitcher Ted Blankenship. The White Sox refused and the potential trade died, which prompted the Yankees to obtain Pennock from Boston.


Hoyt Wanted to Remain With the Yankees

Waite Hoyt didn’t want to leave the Yankees. He has spent a substantial portion of the off season touring Japan, China, and Hawaii with a team of major leaguers. Upon his return to New York in early February 1923, the first thing he wanted to know was whether he was still a Yankee. When he was told that the White Sox deal was probably dead, he heaved a sigh of relief. He told reporters that the trip had been a success but “…after all, there is no place like New York. The Japanese are great ballplayers. They are very alert, but they are so excitable that they are inclined to lose their heads in the pinches and don’t know what to do with the ball when they get it.”

In the middle of February, at the baseball owners’ meetings, the Yankees and White Sox announced that Eddie Collins would not be traded to the Yankees. One of the sticking points that killed the deal was the Yankees’ refusal to part with Hoyt. It has often been stated that the best deals a team makes are sometimes the ones they never make. Nothing supports that more than the Waite Hoyt trade that never happened.


References:

“Collins and Kerr May Become Yanks; Huggins Admits That Some Deal is Pending.” New York Times. 10 December 1922, p. 25.

“Big Deal Depends Upon One Player; Refusal of White Sox to Give Blankenship to Yanks Blocks Collins Trade; Willing to Trade Hoyt.” New York Times. 19 December 1922, p. 26.

“Red Sox Now Have 14 Former Yankees.” New York Times. 4 February 1923, p. S2.

“Hoyt Arrives Here After Long Jaunt; Expresses Relief When Told Yankees Have Not Traded Him to White Sox. New York Times. 8 February 1923, p. 22.


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Niteowl049AAA-er
525 days ago
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This would have been a terrible trade with Hoyt pitching another 15 years after the trade talk while Collins did hit over .340 the next three seasons but was out of baseball by the end of 1930.
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LouGehrigRed-Shirting
525 days ago
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Which is why some of the best trades are those that are never made -- at least for one of the teams.
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The oldest manVarsity
525 days ago
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I remember my father talking to Miller about the reasons he didn't want to make the trade. Miller always said it wasn't a very good deal for Hoyt who he considered to be a better big game pitcher than Pennock and had more experience. I think that Miller was so high on not making the deal that management didn't want to rock the boat in this case. Like the man said the better trades are the ones not made and we all know what happened the next 4 for 5 years in New York with Hoyt and Pennock one of the stronger pitchers. The Babe liked Hoyt a lot and they always use to talk pitching during the off seasons when they would come to the farm. Even today I can't stop laughing because Babe was the worlds' biggest practical joker, just ask the person he loved to do it to Miller Huggins, and Hoyt would go along for the ride. Johnny Kerr another of my grandfathers close friends, was Babes' roommate for a few years and if anyone knew what was going on it was Johnny and some of the stories he told on Ruth would make the hair on your neck stand on end. The accounts of hotdogs and beers and sodas drank will be for me moments of history that were told by the one in on all the practical jokes and pranks.
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