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What city should be the next host for an outdoor NHL game?

by Cityhockeyfever
created January 03, 2009, last edited February 13, 2009
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Although Barkingclam provided his thoughts on Thursday's game and what should happen in the years ahead with the Winter Classic, I thought I would list my top five picks for what cities should host the next outdoor NHL game in the future, as stated in my latest blog entry.

Whether this game would take place in 2010 or a year or two after that, it would be on the minds of many that enjoyed each of the first three regular season outdoor games the NHL has staged in its history.

Here are my top five cities for whom I want to be the next host city...

1. New York City (Yankee Stadium) - It was the original city of choice for the NHL in each of the first two Winter Classic events that were planned and held, but logistics got in the way of finalizing them as the host city. The Big Apple lost out especially for Thursday because it would not have been possible to hold the Winter Classic now and then have enough time for the original Yankee Stadium to be torn down and area cleanup and renovation done before the Yankees' 2009 opening day at the new ballpark. The same issues exist now for Citi Field with the demolition of Shea Stadium.

Being the largest city in the United States and among the top four hockey markets in the NHL, this is a no-brainer. With the Original Six franchise and high marquee value New York Rangers as the host, this would potentially provide the kind of media exposure for the NHL last seen since the 1994 Stanley Cup Finals. The one difference is that the Rangers aren't the caliber team they were 14½ years ago. From revenue generated from ticket sales to sponsorships to fan interest, it would likely be the biggest financial boost for the sport and the NHL. This is despite being a close second behind the Toronto Maple Leafs on the 2008 Forbes franchise value list.

If it is in 2010 or 2011 (depending on if it is not held during the same time period as the 2010 Winter Olympics), the Rangers should host either the Boston Bruins, Philadelphia Flyers, Montréal Canadiens, Toronto Maple Leafs or either of the two local rivals in the Islanders or New Jersey Devils. Sean Leahy of his Going Five Hole blog had made the suggestion the Rangers should host the Washington Capitals (obviously to do with showcasing Alexander Ovechkin). I doubt that would fly because the Capitals aren't the same kind of rival as the other Atlantic Division teams and Original Six foes. The problem with the Rangers playing the Islanders or Devils is that it would not appeal well with a national audience as it would locally. Look at the 2000 World Series between the New York Mets and New York Yankees for example.

2. Minneapolis (TCF Bank Stadium) - Given the State of Hockey is considered to be the largest regional hockey market in the country, having the Minnesota Wild host an outdoor game would be perfect for a place that celebrates its favorite sport outside in the cold. The team already connects with its fans and what better way to bring more out than to have it at the new TCF Bank Stadium, the future home of the Minnesota Golden Gophers football team.

Perhaps a game against the Dallas Stars would help drive interest through the roof immediately given the Wild would facing the former Minnesota North Stars. Other opponents I'd like to see considered that haven't participated would be the Canadiens, Rangers, Maple Leafs, St. Louis Blues, Boston Bruins or any of Minnesota's other Northwest Division rivals (except the Edmonton Oilers since they participated in the first ever outdoor regular season NHL game in 2003).

3. Boston (Fenway Park) - The Boston Bruins resurgence this season may have helped recapture interest in their team at about the perfect time that the other Beantown teams are flourishing. The state of Massachusetts is among the top three hockey areas in America and the best way to help get the Bruins and the city of Boston in the spotlight nationwide is to host an outdoor game at Fenway Park, home of the 2004 and 2007 World Series champion Boston Red Sox. It would serve a very similar purpose as Wrigley Field did this year. If the logistics aren't there, the Bruins could always settle with Gillette Stadium in nearby Foxborough, Massachusetts, home to one of the powerhouses in the National Football League in the New England Patriots.

A matchup against the Canadiens, Maple Leafs or Rangers would be a logical selection. The Wild should be considered as well given the idea of bringing two prominent hockey areas onto the same stage would be a winner with the NHL.

4. Philadelphia (Lincoln Financial Field) - With the Philadelphia Flyers returning to respectability after a disasterous 2006-2007 season that saw them finish dead last in the entire league, they are a contending hockey club with marketable players such as Jeff Carter, Mike Richards and Scott Hartnell, it is a great sports town and plenty of hockey tradition with the famous Broad Street Bullies era. The Flyers facing teams like the Pittsburgh Penguins as a Keystone State rival, the Rangers (as the New Jersey Turnpike separates the two cities by a mere 85 miles), Capitals (with Alexander Ovechkin), Wild or Canadian team like the Maple Leafs that has a rivalry with the Flyers makes for good picks as opponents.

5. Toronto (Rogers Centre) - Even though the home of Major League Baseball's Toronto Blue Jays is played on Field Turf, the playing area to build an outdoor hockey rink would still work just fine. Maple Leafs fans as well as others from all over Canada and even parts of the United States would come to Toronto to see an outdoor NHL game. For Canadian fans, obviously they'd salivate over a matchup against the Canadiens, but they are celebrating their Centennial with their own showcase event in the 2009 NHL All-Star Game this month. Plus, the Canadiens were in the original outdoor regular season game in 2003. Facing the Bruins, Rangers, Flyers, Wild or Ottawa Senators would make the most sense in terms of matchup interest for both countries. If the Leafs hosted one of the other five Canadian clubs, it would bode well for fans north of the border, but how much would American fans still be interested?

I would give honorable mention to these cities. They would be Denver, Montréal and Pittsburgh.


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TheruffianVarsity Captain
309 days ago
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Green Bay, Lambeau Field. Nuff said.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
309 days ago
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But who would play there?
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TrizzAll-American
309 days ago
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Im not the biggest hockey fan...but i'd be intrigued to see a hockey game at Fenway
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
309 days ago
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It's weird, I'd actually hate a game at Fenway. Gillette Stadium holds twice as many fans, has better sight-lines, better facilities, better access, and is 10 times nicer.
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TrizzAll-American
309 days ago
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it'll be more newsworthy at historic fenway and i hate driving all the way to foxboro
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
309 days ago
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True, it would be a more historic location, but I hate driving all the way to the Fens.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
309 days ago
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I'd move Boston, Toronto, and Philly above Minneapolis.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
309 days ago
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Steel Town also suggested Penguins/Flyers in Happy Valley. Having 100,000 fans at an NHL game would be sick, but then again it's a few hours drive from both Philly and Pittsburgh.


How about Denver?
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Taytay 24All-American
309 days ago
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Ticket sales are not a factor--any of these places and others could sell 40,000+ tickets for this event. And compared to TV deals, merchandise sales and a full 82 game season, one game, no matter how big, is rather insignificant, and certainly not the financial boom you say. The Winter Classic is about building interest in the game nation wide, not necessarily the big payout. Therefore, you dismissed the team that needs to be there almost immediately. At some point, the NHL needs to learn how to market its stars. The next Winter Classic needs to include Ovechkin and the Washington Capitals, preferably at Pittsburgh, even though they played in it last year, with Crosby and Malkin.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
309 days ago
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To me, the Winter Classic is a good way to revitalize hockey in large markets like Chicago, where hockey has fallen off (which is pretty much every US market). That's why I'd like to see New York vs. New Jersey. But New York vs. Washington wouldn't be bad either. But Boston vs. Washington outdoors would irritate me. When/if the Bruins play in this game, I want to see them face another historic team like Montreal or Toronto, or a rival like Buffalo.
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Taytay 24All-American
309 days ago
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I think individual markets only get revitalized by winning. If a team is losing, hosting a Winter Classic isn't going to make a difference. But it can showcase the league's young talent for the whole nation.
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CityhockeyfeverVarsity Captain
309 days ago
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Taytay24, I believe your logic makes sense, especially in having Alexander Ovechkin be marketed in a future Winter Classic, but we also have to keep in mind that rivalries are what drive much of the interest in such events. BUT, the only argument that I brought up that would go against it would be if the Rangers host let's say the Islanders or Devils, there would be less interest nationwide given it is a more localized rivalry. Hardcore hockey fans would be interested, but I'm not sure about the rest of the American audience would tune in with such a matchup. Sean Leahy suggested Rangers vs. Capitals (interestingly, they play each other tonight), so that is not a bad idea by any means.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
309 days ago
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Fans tuned in to see Chicago vs. Detroit, more than they tuned in to see Crosby and the Penguins play Buffalo.
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Taytay 24All-American
309 days ago
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It's an interesting argument: does the casual fan prefer traditional powers or current stars? I would be interested to know if Rawb is right about ratings for last year's game (with Crosby) and this year's (with traditional powers)--although I'm not sure what Buffalo brought to last year's game. It's hard to go wrong with either, but my gut feeling is that casual fans have had traditional powers all along and aren't tuning in. Other sports market their star players and are much more successful than the NHL. Of course marketing strategy isn't the only reason for this, but it does play a role.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
309 days ago
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All I saw about ratings was on the scroll at the bottom of NESN's broadcast of the Bruins game, they said it was the highest overnight rating for an NHL game in 13 years.


One problem with the NHL is that the big markets have some mediocre franchises.


I just think that marketing teams might be more successful in hockey than marketing players. Hockey needs to focus on rebuilding its core audience before it can expand. And it needs to start in the large markets, which was why I loved having the Winter Classic in Chicago this year.
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Taytay 24All-American
309 days ago
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That's interesting about the ratings. I wouldn't mind seeing that broken down by region, though. In other words, did the big numbers come mostly Detroit and Chicago, or was there a fairly widespread interest? Personally, I was interested and watched the game, even though I more or less hate both teams. But then again, I, like everyone else here, am not exactly a "casual" sports fan.

I completely agree with your assessment of the NHL's big market teams. What a bunch of stinkers.

Another thing for the NHL to consider is the date. New Years Day sounds nice, but they are competing with the bowl season. Might be better to wait until February when football is over.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
307 days ago
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What happens when it's LA's turn? Or Phoenix? Or Tampa Bay? Under-soil cooling will be needed!
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
307 days ago
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If thy can put an outdoor rink on a cruise ship at the equator, or to tickle the fancy of a sheik in Dubai - for that matter - they can do it anywhere...
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Taytay 24All-American
307 days ago
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They used an under-ice refrigeration system for the game this year in Chicago, as well as every normal indoor game. 1991 saw an exhibition game in Vegas, so this isn't a big deal.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
307 days ago
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My question is why is any NHL hockey played indoors or outdoors in Tampa or Phoenix?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
307 days ago
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Maybe because they know you've never been to either?
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
307 days ago
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Maybe. Then again, I've never been to the moon and there's no NHL team up there.
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NoodledueceVarsity Captain
272 days ago
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or dallas?
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