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LouGehrig
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What Would Happen to Nolan Ryan Today?

by LouGehrig
created March 30, 2009, last edited April 01, 2009
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Today, it is almost incomprehensible, but what is unbelievable is that when it was happening, it was not thought of as unusual. From 1972, his first season with the Angels, through 1974, Nolan Ryan averaged 314 innings pitched, 1300 batters faced a season, 174 walks, and 360 strikeouts. In 1974, Nolan Ryan pitched 332 2/3 innings, struck out 367 batters and walked 202, which means that 569 batters Ryan faced didn't hit the ball.

"Just Another Out"

In 2008, Roy Halladay led the American League with 246 innings pitched and 987 batters faced. A.J. Burnett led with 231 strikeouts in the modern era when there are many more strikeouts than in the 1970s, and Daisuke Matsuzaka led in walks with 94. Strikeouts are now viewed as "just another out," which is a dangerous view when a team has a runner on third with one out. When Nolan Ryan pitched, especially during the first half of his career, batters tried to avoid striking out, and many would change their hitting approach with two strikes, which in no longer the case.

At Least One Walk in Every Game Started

The most batters Nolan Ryan ever walked in a season was 204 in 1977, which is second only to Bob Feller's 208 in 1937. Nolan Ryan rarely started a game in which he didn't issue at least one walk. Over his career, he averaged 232 innings a season, yielded an average of 120 walks, and had 245 strikeouts a season. In 1973, he set the strikeout record with 383.

Nolan Ryan's ERA Compared to Other Greats at the Time

Now it gets interesting. Nolan Ryan's ERA was 3.19, compared to the league's 3.56, which is good, but not outstanding. Ryan's good friend, Tom Seaver, had a 2.86 ERA compared to the league's 3.64. Steve Carlton's numbers were 3.22 and 3.70, Bob Gibson's were 2.91 and 3.71, while Ferguson Jenkins' were 3.34 and 3.84. The point is that these two measures for some other great pitchers of Ryan's era were quite similar to his, but only Carlton came close to Ryan with respect to walking hitters. Nolan allowed 2795 walks, while Carlton is a distant second with 1833.

Ryan Was the Most Difficult Pitcher to Hit

WHIP (walks + hits divided by inning pitched) is a good measure of a pitcher's effectiveness. Pedro Martinez leads all active pitchers (or at least he will remain the leader if a team signs him for 2009) with 1.0512. Ryan's WHIP is 1.2473. which is good, considering his walks. The reason Ryan's WHIP is respectable is that he leads all pitchers by allowing only 6.555 hits per nine innings.

If Ryan Were a Young Pitcher Today

The Mets traded twenty-four year old Nolan Ryan because they became impatient waiting for him to harness his almost unlimited talent. If Ryan started his major league career today, he would face many more obstacles because he would not be given the opportunity to pitch much. Imagine a twenty five-year-old pitcher, which was Ryan's age in 1972, being allowed to work 284 innings, followed by 326 and 333. All one must do is state that the New York Yankees told the press a few days ago that twenty three year old Joba Chamberlain would be limited to 140 innings in 2009. Incredible.

References:

Nolan Ryan at Baseball-Reference

Major League Leaders at Baseball-Reference


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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
246 days ago
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Lou - Thought provoking, as usual. It is amazing that 200 IP is considered a high number, considering that Ryan's 300 IP was not unusual in his era. If you look at his complete games, you can see why his Ks, BBs and IP are so high. Once he started, he (and most pitchers of his era) were expected to finish. With specialization the way it is now (and this is not a comment on whether I think it's a good or bad trend), it seems safe to say that 300+ IP is a thing of the past.


Another item of note here is that Carlton was also traded around the same time that Ryan was, and blossomed into a stellar pitcher on his new team. Both were very good pitchers before the trades, but went on the HOF careers after. Maybe a change of scenery is a good thing...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
246 days ago
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Carlton was already pretty good before he was traded, though. He just got picked up by the Phillies in a deal that made sense at the time but ended up lopsided after some time.

Nolan didn't strike out so many batters because he pitched so many innings, he had un-matchable stuff. There was no hitting him (literally seven times) but if you didn't strike out, you could easily get a walk.


Compare Randy Johnson's early career to Nolan Ryan's sometime...
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
246 days ago
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well, I did say that "Both were very good pitchers before the trades" - but I concede the point.


And you make a good point about Ryan's stuff - that certainly was a factor in his success, I suppose. :-) But a lot of IP certainly gave him ample opportunity to strike men out. After all, you can't strike out 19 batters if you don't pitch at least 7 1/3 innings, right?


Safe to say that Joba, at 140 IP, will never strike out 19 batters in two games, maybe not even over three.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
246 days ago
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Nolan Ryan made 26 career starts and nine career relief appearances without allowing a walk.
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LouGehrigRed-Shirting
246 days ago
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Give me the documentation (even one game started), and I will change the article.
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
245 days ago
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September 17, 1993. Texas @ Anaheim. 7 IP, no walks.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
245 days ago
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It's true...


http://www.b...309170.shtml
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LouGehrigRed-Shirting
244 days ago
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Thank you VERY much. I have read numerous articles and posts that claimed otherwise, and they were wrong. Sorry for not replying sooner, but some tax intrigue kept me away. The necessary changes will be made. Thanks again. Harold
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Anonymous Fanatic #2
245 days ago
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August 17th, 1990 at Arlington vs the White Sox..10 IP, 15 K's, three hits, no runs...no walks.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
245 days ago
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Wow, out of 772 starts... if he had SEVENTY SEVEN games without a walk, that's still only 10%...


Nolan Ryan has had more starts (5 ip or more) with 8+ BB in his career than starts with 0 BB...
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
245 days ago
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So true, Lou's basic point that he walked a lot of batters is quite clear. It was just one fact that needed correcting. The argument, however, remains just as strong. Anon #1 said it was 26 starts without a walk, which is 3.4% of his career starts.
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