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What Does 500 HRs Mean These Days?

by Rawbeezeitz
created June 02, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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Babe Ruth founded the 500 homerun club in August of 1929. It was a club of one until 1940 when Jimmie “Why Haven’t the Red Sox or A’s Retired My Number” Foxx hit his 500th. Mel Ott was next to join in 1945. The 60s saw a veritable explosion in membership. Ted Williams joined in the summer of 1960, then Willie Mays in 1965. In 1967, both Mickey Mantle and Eddie Matthews got their membership cards. Hank Aaron hit his 500th in 1968. In a 9 year span, the 3 member club had nearly tripled to 8.

Despite the relative boom in the 1960s, the 500 homerun club was still a collection of the finest hitters ever. The 1970s saw Harmon Killebrew, Frank Robinson, Ernie Banks and Willie McCovey join. Things slowed down in the 80s as Reggie Jackson and Mike Schmidt were the only inductees of the decade. Eddie Murray was the 15th to join in 1996.

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Then all hell broke loose.

In 1999, Mark McGwire reached the once magical number. Then Barry Bonds in 2001. By 2002, Bonds became the 4th member in the even more prestigious 600 HR Club. 2003 was the darkest year for 500, as Sammy Sosa and Rafael Palmeiro joined. Ken Griffey Jr. claimed his place in 2004. Last year, three players joined: Alex Rodriguez, Jim Thome, and Frank Thomas. And now, Manny Ramirez is the 24th to hit 500. In the last 10 years, 9 new players have reached this once hallowed plateau. And Gary Sheffield is only 17 away from being the 25th member.

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“500 homeruns doesn’t mean what it used to mean.” That’s a common phrase when discussing the current state of the club. With performance enhancing drugs, expansion, middle relievers, hitter friendly ballparks, and strength training; hitting homeruns simply isn’t as amazing as it once was. But to be brutally honest, 500 homeruns never meant anything anyway.

What made the 500 homerun club special in the past wasn’t the homeruns. It was the players who were in it. Ruth, Aaron, Mays, Williams, Foxx, Robinson, Mantle, Banks, et cetera. These guys weren’t special because they hit 500 homeruns. They made 500 homeruns special because they were the ones who had hit them.

And how many great players aren’t in the 500 homerun club? Lou Gehrig wound up with 493, but he’s one of the best sluggers in the game’s history. Ty Cobb, Honus Wagner, Rogers Hornsby, and Joe Jackson are nowhere near 500 (combined they have the same amount of HRs as Killebrew with 573). But they’re some of the best hitters ever. Stan Musial, Carl Yastrzemski, Billy Williams, and Duke Snider all fell short of 500, but were all clear Hall of Famers, which is more than can be said for Palmeiro or Thome.

500 has always been just a number. When the best and only the best populated the 500 homerun club, the number seemed to be important. But now it’s back to being just another number.

 

Photo Credit: hollywoodcollectibles.com, AP Photo/ Steve Ruark

Stats From: http://www.baseball-reference.com , http://www.espn.com , and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/500_home_run_club


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Niteowl049AAA-er
545 days ago
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Excellent subject and excellent article. Palmeiro may have great numbers but now I am wondering how many of those numbers are legit. Palmeiro hit 47 homers total in his first 5 seasons then in 1999 and 2001 hit 47 homers in each of those seasons. Have not heard anything about Thome using steroids but nowadays fans have become more suspicious of anyone hitting over 50 homers like Thome did in 2002 when he hit 52 because that is the time Bonds almost certainly was using steroids.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
545 days ago
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There's always gonna be that suspicion now, which is a shame. There's no evidence to suggest that Thome took PEDs, but even without cheating, hitting 500 in the 1990s isn't the same as hitting 500 in the 1960s.
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IbeargRed-Shirting
545 days ago
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excellent point...if nothing else smaller ball parks have to effect the ease of hitting home runs nowadays. Yankee Stadium is still not an easy place to hit homers (right field line aside), but in the 60's it used to be like 460 ft to center i believe... now its 408.
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FrugolfVarsity Captain
545 days ago
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Good article, and oh so true.
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KelsdadAll-Star
545 days ago
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"What made the 500 homerun club special in the past wasn’t the homeruns. It was the players who were in it. Ruth, Aaron, Mays, Williams, Foxx, Robinson, Mantle, Banks, et cetera. These guys weren’t special because they hit 500 homeruns. They made 500 homeruns special because they were the ones who had hit them."
  • Mays, Aaron, Ruth, Robinson.
  • Thome, Thomas, Sosa, Palmeiro.

Which group would you rather have?

Exactly.

Good point, Rawbee.
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Baltimoresports247All-American
545 days ago
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I think its safe to say that its no coincidence that the steroid era coincided with the explosion of 500 home run hitters...
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Baltimoresports247All-American
545 days ago
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By the way, how disgusting is it that Manny hit his at Camden Yards...notice all the red shirts in that picture...the most beautiful ball park in the country gets run over every time the Sox come to town...how do the O's not see what they're doing to their fans?
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
545 days ago
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I don't know if "disgusting" would be the word I'd choose. As a Sox fan, I would have rather seen him get #500 in Boston. Had he got it in Cleveland, THAT would have been disgusting, at least to Indians fans. I can sympathize with you, a bit. Going to Bruins/Canadiens games in Boston, it's almost a 50/50 split, and it sucks. All you can do, though, is go to the games and be loud (unless Orioles ushers have a problem with that).
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Baltimoresports247All-American
545 days ago
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Haha which they do...I'm guessing you read my previous blog about that
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KelsdadAll-Star
545 days ago
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From an east coast standpoint, I have no problem with it. Yankee fans in Boston, Mets fans in Philly, Islanders fans in the Garden, they add to the rivalry aspect because they are so close. In some cases, such as Yanks/Red Sox, they add to the rivalry and make it what it is.

In Arizona, 35,000 fans at a DBacks/Cubs game, most of the fans are Cub fans. Even yesterday, there was a large amount of Expos/Nationals jerseys in the stands. Washington DC is 3000 miles from Phoenix? Even the locals show an unnatural aversion to the home team, and except for the Suns, is the rule here.

As long as the "visiting" fans are respectful to being in someone else's house, it's not a big deal.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
545 days ago
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That's not disgusting. It'll reach disgusting when your team has to run a "Take Back [Stadium Name]" promo because your park is being overrun by rival fans.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
545 days ago
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And then there's Tampa Bay, who have a winning baseball team, but very few fans even showing up.
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RomiezzoLegend
545 days ago
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Why should someone not hit a home run just because they're not playing in their home team's stadium? It would be nice, but a 500th home run is a 500th home run. I would say that it's up to the player whether he wants to make his team's fans happy or not.
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KelsdadAll-Star
545 days ago
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Milwaukee was just named winner (?) of the worst "road trip" city in the National League by the players.
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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
545 days ago
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I gotta agree with yu on that one, it did hurt me to see Camden be almost 55% red
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IbeargRed-Shirting
545 days ago
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great article Raw. well written and well thought out. i think as to the overall point though we do have to wait a little while i think for a better perspective on it. If players continue to break the 500 barrier with ease post steroid era (if you can call it that) then the number will continue to lose meaning. But if it's only guys like A-rod and Manny in the future then i think it will regain some meaning because as you said it has alot to do with who's breaking it not the number itself.
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RomiezzoLegend
545 days ago
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Great points, Rawb. You made excellent point about how the 500 home run club wasn't about the number, but because of the people who actually accomplished the feat. Someone who joined the 500 home run club was considered to be one of the greatest players of all-time.

I definitely agree with you and Kelsdad on this, 100%.

The thing about players now is that they're all for accomplishing things. For example, people are staying because they're selfish for money, or they want to be famous for hitting 500 homers, or something like that. That's one of the problems with baseball right now: most of the players who are well-known are people who just want to gain fame. Back in the day, I'm sure that guys like Ted Williams, Jimmie Foxx, Mel Ott, Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, didn't care about any of that, which is what makes them so special. Like Rawb said, guys like Lou Gehrig, Duke Snider, and Carl Yastrzemski didn't make the 500 home run club.

The 500 HR club was once an elite club because of who was in it. People who joined earlier in the 20th century were legends. Now, you could even make an argument saying that the 600 HR club isn't elite.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
545 days ago
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To be fair to players today, it wasn't like Yaz retired at the peak of his career. And Babe Ruth clung onto the game for years.
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RomiezzoLegend
545 days ago
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Well, yeah. That's true. I'll be fair to guys like Frank Thomas, Manny Ramirez, Jim Thome, and especially Ken Griffey Jr. Yaz did stay fairly long in the MLB, and Ruth kept hanging on, but I hate how people compare guys today to guys like Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Ted Williams, and other legends and guys who changed the game forever. Think about it. No offense to guys who recently (as in, this decade) joined the 500 HR club, but it was a lot harder for people to hit home runs back in the day. You ever heard of guy named Joe DiMaggio? Yankee Stadium's left center field wall was almost 490 FEET! As the year's passed and the Stadium underwent repeated renovations, the left and center field walls were pulled in. That's just one reason why I think the people who hit home runs earlier in the 20th century will always be remembered as the best home run hitters. Now, I'm not saying that the guys like Junior, Thome, Thomas, etc. aren't good. In fact, they're very good. It's just that it's easier to hit home runs now.
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KelsdadAll-Star
545 days ago
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Ruth retired at 40, I hardly call that "hanging on."
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
545 days ago
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The thing to remember about the stadiums....the fans love offense, right? Closer walls, more homers, more runs. Makes for a better baseball game, right? MLB itself feeds the beast. The more this "offense" philosophy endures, the less the home run will mean. It's no wonder the numbers are getting skewed. Note that some of the best 'skill' numbers - 56 consecutive games, 191 RBI and .400 average are rarely challenged by today's players. It would be interesting to see some university guys do a study on why that might be. I have my thoughts, but I'd just sound closed minded.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
545 days ago
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Ruth also had 22 homers and 84 ribbies in his second-to-last season. And he was an All-Star. Not too shabby. Thanks baseball-reference!
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KelsdadAll-Star
545 days ago
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"56 consecutive games, 191 RBI and .400 average are rarely challenged by today's players. It would be interesting to see some university guys do a study on why that might be." Today's players aren't as good?
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
545 days ago
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OK, now that you've said it... :-) Agreed!
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RomiezzoLegend
545 days ago
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Everything is about home runs now. As the saying goes, "Chicks dig the long ball." However, most fans don't realize that if you love the game of baseball, it isn't just about the home run or breaking records or anything like that: it's about watching the best baseball players in the world, who play for either one team or the opposing team, go at it. And if a record is broken, then good for them for breaking it. It's all about fame nowadays IMO. Think about it. Why else would people want to get bigger? Why else would so many people aim for that #500 right now? The 300 (or 350) win club means something, and will (most probably) always mean something. Those single season records (191 RBI's by Hack Wilson, 56 consecutive games with a hit, etc.), as well as hitting .400 will always be great achievements. However, there are just some things today that can help players reach their goals, and if they want to become famous, they will do these things.
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MegECass110AAA-er
545 days ago
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I dig singles hitters who can steal bases and play good defense, but that's just me.
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Davis21wylieMVP
545 days ago
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The famous evolutionary biologist Stephen Jay Gould actually did a study on this, and found that extreme performances (i.e., 56-game hitting streak, hitting .400, etc.) were much less common as the league's total talent level rose, because there is more parity between the best and worst players. The talent levels of the greats stay the same in any era, he argued, but lesser leagues are forced to allow worse players in at the bottom to fill roster spots. In other words, in a lesser league, the cream of the crop is able to dominate its inferior competition and post incredible numbers, but in a league that has evolved to the point where the gap shrinks between the worst players and the greats, extreme performances are going to become "extinct", in Gould's words.

I'm not saying I buy this completely, but I do think there is something to it. Sure, the HR exploits of the past few years have been nothing if not extreme, but in the PED era it's a lot harder to "rig" batting average feats than HR. I still maintain that today's athletes are better than ever -- like I've said, just look at Olympic records (the world records of 100 years ago are being posted by any old high schoolers today)... There's no reason to think baseball talent hasn't evolved similarly to that of other world-class athletic events. Today's athletes are simply bigger, faster, and stronger than those of bygone days.
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RomiezzoLegend
545 days ago
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All I have to say to that is I know these guys don't "just hit singles and steal base":

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MegECass110AAA-er
544 days ago
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Touche, Romi. You know me too well ;)
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Jerjets11JV Squad
545 days ago
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Good article. I've always felt the bombs have been overrated. Clutch hitting, RBIs, on-base percentage, and a little speed have impressed me more. Does it matter to me when some Roy Roids goes homer off some third-tier relief guy in a 6-1 game that's already over? No. All homers are not equal, and it's just one part of the game. A guy with 40 bombs and 140 strikeouts impresses me not at all.
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Niteowl049AAA-er
545 days ago
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Ballpark dimensions have a lot to do with home runs like Ibearg stated. Some of the parks years ago were discombobulated having short distances down the lines and monstrous distances to center field like the Polo Grounds with these dimensions:

Left: 277 feet Center: 475 feet Right: 257 feet

You would think there would be a lot of players hitting over 50 homers a year in that configuration. Mays did hit 51 there in 1955.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
545 days ago
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Rawb, you're killing me. I had something like this lined up and now you've stolen my thunder! :-) Oh well. I think you did a better job than I would have. I totally agree with you on the meaning of 500. Musial, Gehrig, DiMaggio are all greats and Hall of Famers without having 500 homers. Gehrig and DiMaggio also don't have 3,000 hits, so you know they must have been among the best ever in order to have been no-brainer HOF inductees.
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KelsdadAll-Star
545 days ago
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Go ahead and write your article SJ, nothing wrong with multiple opinions on the same subject. Plus, I'm sure you'll spend some time talking about the greatest third baseman in history, Michael Jack Schmidt....
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
545 days ago
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You got that right. He was great to watch on offense and defense. Definitely one of the greats. I do have another related topic I was going to rant about, so maybe I'll go ahead with my 500 HR thoughts.
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RomiezzoLegend
545 days ago
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Yeah, I can't believe we haven't talked about (or even recognized) Schmidt at all so far in this topic. Great point, Kelsdad.
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ASwaffAll-American
545 days ago
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Very interesting points, but I have to disagree on one small thing. 500 used to mean a hands-down, can't-miss invitation to the Hall of Fame. With guys like Rafael Palmeiro, Jim Thome and Frank Thomas now reaching that mark, I don't think we can any longer say that it is. 600 is the new 500, in my opinion.
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RomiezzoLegend
545 days ago
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I wouldn't even say that. Do you honestly think that Sammy Sosa is going to get inducted into the Hall of Fame (first ballot) just because he hit 600 home runs. The reason why the 500 home run club meant something, which was Rawb's main point, was because of the fact that "what made the 500 homerun club special in the past was the players who were in it". Like you said, now that Thome, Thomas, etc. are reaching that mark, it's not as special anymore. I wouldn't say that 600 is the new 500. Instead, I'll say that 500 is the new 400, so to speak...
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ASwaffAll-American
545 days ago
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Haha...I wouldn't argue with that point. I'd induct Sammy Sosa if not for the steroids and corked bats. Aside from the 600 HR, he set records for consecutive seasons with 60+ HRs. That's a record that deserves to be recognized, if you're not cheating. If it weren't for that, I'd still say he deserves to be in the HOF.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
545 days ago
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The fact that baseball is "numbers game" (or so I've heard) is a blessing and a curse. I can see both sides. The numbers are tabulated and baseball fans know them. When some numbers (755) are passed, people get upset. Other numbers - lifetime triples? - few would care. Unfortunately, MLB is at a point where fans either need to accept that these great numbers we grew up memorizing are being vaporized (possibly in a less than savory way)...or we just have to accept this as part of the game. It's a loss, sure, but I'll never forget when 755 was the number that everyone looked up to. That's the nice thing about memories. 'Roids can't take that away from me.
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RomiezzoLegend
545 days ago
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Yeah, I'll agree with you on that... definitely. However, like you said, the steroid issue, the corked bat issue, the Flinstone vitamins issue... It's just too much.
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RomiezzoLegend
545 days ago
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You're definitely correct on that, Sj. Baseball (or should I say the MLB) today is a blessing and a curse. 755 is just a memory now. We knew it was going to be broken by Bonds eventually. But just imagine (and think positive)... when someone else breaks Bonds' record, everyone will go NUTS!
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
545 days ago
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The players who hit 500+ homeruns were great enough to get into the Hall with 490 homeruns. 500 wasn't the reason they got into the Hall, it just seemed like it was.
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The oldest manVarsity
544 days ago
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500 homeruns is a joke in today's game. Drugs and performance drugs are responsible for the large amounts of homeruns being hit today and the way the ball travels, all kinds of things are into the mix but hitting 500 homeruns isn't anymore a pretext to entering the hall of fame. To many questions have been raised about a lot of today's baseball stars in regards to drug/steriod use from Bonds to Sosa to McGwire to K-Rod then you throw in others like Palmeiro and you start to see the picture of drugs and performance steriods are the direct cause for the increase in homeruns. The balls have been doctored, dimensions of stadium changed to help hitters and then you start to see patterns for change. The first 15 500 homerun hitters are in a league all unto themselves but in the 90's things started to change that layed the foundation for more 500 homerun players. I have stated before that drugs whatever type don't get you to hit the baseball any better than before taking them but they do give you a tremendous advantage in distance and how hard you hit it. They only drugs that Ruth took were beer and hotdogs and that goes for the rest of the first 15 to 17 homerun 500 hitters. Tape measure homeruns are hit everyday now so the new experience has gotten old and everything today is contributed to performance enhancing drugs and steriods or whatever will do the job. To see a better overall picture of this if you take all the last 9 or 10 individuals in this position and put them back into the game 30 years ago without drugs and steriods the biggest question you would have to answer is would they hit 500 homeruns in that type of environment and the answer becomes really easy without any doubt in my mind none of them would hit 500 homeruns in the conditions and situations that the first 17 did. Ruth to Matthews I think are in a class by themselves. Eddie Matthews was one of the most stand up individuals to play the game and the Babe was the Babe in a class completely by himself.
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OvertheedgeVarsity
543 days ago
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great stuff, i love how you look at this situation
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