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What Do All The 2008 Playoff Teams Have In Common? A LONG History Of Losing.

by Manny Stiles
created September 30, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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The nine teams facing postseason play this season have combined for a total of 23 World Series wins (plus one more this October) and 61,922 losses (plus one more tonight when the Twins and White Sox figure out who wants to earn the right to lose to the Rays).

There's a lot of history in these nine franchises and truth be told, a LOT of that history is dreadful. 6 of the 9 teams can trace their beginings back to the days of the first World Series in 1903 (White Sox, Red Sox, Twins) or even before then (Cubs, Phillies, Dodgers). Only the Angels, Brewers and Rays are from the "expansion era", post 1960.

While a few of these teams have enjoyed recent success - Angels, White Sox and Red Sox have all won World Series titles this decade - there is still a plethora of suffering and dismay intertwining these franchises.


American League

The A.L. has home field advantage again in the World Series thanks to their recent dominance in the All-Star game having not lost the last 12 Midsummer classics. But even the American League has a long history of losing - from 1963 to 1982, the National League won all but one of those All-Star games (1971).

Tampa Bay Rays

Tampa Bay Rays 97-65
Tampa Bay Rays 97-65

"The Worst Franchise in Sports", "The Clippers of Baseball", "The Stink Rays".

In reality, of all the teams in the playoffs, the Rays have the SHORTEST history of losing... they also have the shortest history. Since they exorcized the "Devil" from their name, they have only had a history of tremendous success!

For their first ten seasons they failed to win more than 70 games in a season and they changed that this season with a 31 win improvement over last season finishing at 97-65. The Rays were last in A.L. attendance for each of the past seven seasons until this year when they averaged over 20,000 fans (22,370) for the first time since their inaugural 1998 season (30,942) which despite the public perception has more to do with the location of their home park - practically on an island in St. Petersburg - than the condition of it.

Oddly enough, Tropicana Field was originally built in 1989 to seduce an existing MLB franchise to move there - first the White Sox, then the Giants - and that fiasco was the basic foundation for the sports-cult movie classic Major League. The White Sox and Giants both used Tropicana as leverage to get new parks built in their existing cities and MLB expanded once more and slapped a new franchise there - but made the mistake of allowing them to have a rhyming name and dreadful color scheme.

Ten years is relatively short time to make it to a franchise's first playoff appearance. The New York Yankees went 20 seasons in the A.L. before winning their first pennant. The St. Louis Cardinals took 35 years in the N.L. before they won a pennant. The Pirates went their first 19 seasons before capturing a pennant. The Mariners went 18 seasons before winning a division crown. Even the Expos went 13 seasons before they won their division - and haven't been back since. The Original Senators (now the Twins) went 24 seasons before they played in the postseason. The New Senators/Rangers went 36 seasons before seeing a division flag. The Florida Marlins, despite two World Series trophies still haven't won their division...

Ten years is nothing.

Rays' manager Joe Maddon worked for the Angels organization for 31 years and served as the bench coach when the Angels when they finally won their first World Series in 2002, so he knows how to overcome "adversity"... keep reading.


Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim

Los Angeles Angels 100-62
Los Angeles Angels 100-62

So much has been made out of the "curses" of the Cubs and Red Sox that no one seems to remember the Angels were truly cursed worse than both franchises combined! Maybe the Angels didn't suffer as long as those other teams, but they certainly suffered worse.

First there was the theory that Anaheim Stadium was built on Indian burial grounds - which was never proven nor disproven. And it certainly explains why the Los Angeles Rams had their issues there, too.

In 1982 the Angels became the first MLB team to lose a five game playoff series in which they had a 2-0 lead. They were up 3-1 on the Red Sox in the ALCS in 1986, leading 5-2 in the ninth inning and lost the series. Six times in the 80's all the Angels had to do was win a game and they would have advanced to the World Series and they lost all six. Then there was the "Collapse" in 1995 when the Angels choked away an 11 game division lead only to lose a one game playoff with the Mariners 9-1.

There was Lyman Bostock's murder, Donnie Moore's suicide. Three players were killed in separate car accidents between 1972 and 1977. There was rookie pitcher Dick Wantz who died of a brain tumor in 1965 at age 25. A bus crash that seriously injured Manager Buck Rodgers (ironically giving Joe Maddon his first chance to manage a MLB team)...

The Angels waited 42 years before they even won a postseason SERIES!


Boston Red Sox

Boston Red Sox 95-67
Boston Red Sox 95-67

Sure, they're the defending World Series champs and have won two titles in the last four years but can you say "86" or "Curse of the Bambino" and NOT think about the days when Bostonians feared they would die without tasting the Ultimate Victory?

The Red Sox are losers through and through... first, no matter what the current fan base thinks, the Sawx are always going to be the Yankees personal beotches. It looks like they are trying to be the Rays' beotches too!

Here, I'll say it... Bucky Dent. Aaron Boone. Bill Buckner. Grady Little. Wade Boggs' horse. Coco Crisp...

No one needs to compare Ted Williams' and Carl Yastrzemski's ringless fingers to know the Red Sox had some extended dry spells. From 1919 to 1945 the Red Sox were second division finishers 19 times...

Between 1920 and 2003, the Yankees finished above the Red Sox 66 times leading to one description of their rivalry "like the rivalry between a hammer and a nail".

In 1946, 1967, 1975 and 1986 - each time the Red Sox played in a World Series during their 86 year championship drought, they played seven games and walked away losers.


Minnesota Twins

Minnesota Twins 88-74
Minnesota Twins 88-74

Before they moved to Minneapolis they were the Washington Senators where the motto was "Washington, first in politics, last in the American League". Then Clark Griffith moved his Senators to Minny and then proceeded to make incredibly dumb (racist) remarks about why he moved from Washington, which caused his best (black) players to flee the "plantation".

Furthermore, the Twins were poster children for the imbalance of power in MLB, theoretically unable to compete in a "small" market because they were so horribly underfunded by their penny pinching multi-billionaire owner and were slated for contraction. Now THAT is the worst kind of losing!

The Twins were putrid for the early 80's and most of the 90's bookending their two domed titles in '87 and '91 (The Diamondbacks are the only other team to win a World Series with a roof). Save for the lone Senators title in 1924, this franchise has a dreadful past, pre-1960 move to Minny. Even their 1991 World Series win followed a last place finish the season before.

Since 1972, the Twins have finished in the top half in attendance in the American League only three times and finished last seven times. In their last 6 years in Washington, they were last in attendance each season.


Chicago White Sox

Chicago White Sox 88-74
Chicago White Sox 88-74

Eighty Eight years. Charles Comiskey. The Black Sox. Tabbed collared jerseys. Shorts. Disco Demolition Night. Comiskey Park. Relegated to the status of Chicago's "other" team. A.J. Pierzynski. Jay Mariotti v. Ozzie Guillen.

The White Sox have had a trainwreck of trainwrecks in their "colorful" history.

After their 1919 Black Sox scandal - when they won three games despite throwing the series - until their World Series sweep in 2005, the Pale Hose won a total of five postseason games.

Historically speaking, the White Sox have been notoriously inconspicuous - and not just in their own town. They have won 100 games once and lost more than 100 games twice. Until Frank Thomas passed him, Harold Baines was the franchise's ALL-TIME HR leader! Billy Pierce and Wilbur Wood are the team's most winning pitchers since the Black Sox team.





National League

Gee, even the team that justmissed the playoffs is starting it's own legacy of losing. The Mets didn't just have the worst team of the 20th Century in 1962 but now they have re-defined choking after making Division Champs out of the Phillies two years in a row while shoving the Brewers into an unfamiliar spot; the playoffs!


Philadelphia Phillies

Philadelphia Phillies 92-70
Philadelphia Phillies 92-70

ONE World Championship in 126 years.

The Phillies aren't the only team in Philly with a history of losing, the whole city is stuck in the non-championship doldrums. Twenty Five years ago, the City of Philadelphia held it's last parade down Broad St. And it's not like there was exactly a well worn path of parades there, either.

The Philadelphia Athletics won FIVE championships all by themselves before they left Philly behind in 1954... since then, there has been six championships in Philadelphia. NONE since 1983. The Phillies have accounted for ONE World Championship in their history - 1980!!! The Eagles won NFL titles in '48 and '49 when the rival AAFC was in it's glory and then in 1960 the Eagles won their last championship the same year as the upstart AFL's inaugural season. The Sixers (1967, 1983) and Flyers (1974, 1975) won two titles each in their existences.

But back to the Phillies. Since they began play in the N.L. in 1883, the Phillies have won 100+ games TWICE (1976 & 1977) and have lost 100+ games thirteen times.

Between 1918 and 1948, the Phillies finished their season in better than 5th place - ONCE! (They were 4th in 1932 - the only season in that stretch that they finished above .500 at 78-76) They were in dead last place 16 of those seasons and second to last in seven!

Oh yeah, the Phillies are the only MLB franchise with more than 10,000 losses.

THAT is a legacy!


Chicago Cubs

Chicago Cubs 97-64
Chicago Cubs 97-64

100 years since a Championship... you know that. But let's remember the REAL curse of the Billy Goat was put into place in 1945, the Cubs' last World Series appearance. "The Curse" wasn't that the Cubs wouldn't win the World Series, it was that they'd never GET to another World Series... 100 years is just a coincidence.

The Cubs were originally called the White Stockings and dominated the early days of the National League winning 6 titles in the first 11 years of the Senior Circuit led by baseball's first "superstar" King Kelly - the Babe Ruth before Babe Ruth. Then they changed their name to the Cubs in 1903, had a record .763 winning percentage and still N.L. record 116 wins in 1906 but lost the World Series to their cross-town rivals. The Cubs won back to back World Series in '07 and '08 and have sucked ever since...

They have lost the World Series seven times since 1908 including the series with Babe Ruth's "called shot" and their last appearance in the Fall Classic in 1945.

Maybe there is a Billy Goat curse - or more aptly described "myth". Maybe the Cubs just find a way to suck when it counts.

The Miracle Mets in '69. Leon Durham's glove in '84. Will Clark's amazing '89 NLCS. Steve Bartman (or more appropriately Alex Gonzalez's error) in 2003... stuff just happens to the Cubs, doesn't it?

Keep this in mind... the Cubs haven't won a single playoff game since the "Bartman game".


Los Angeles Dodgers

Los Angeles Dodgers 84-78
Los Angeles Dodgers 84-78

The Dodgers' luck surely has changed since they moved to picturesque Chavez Ravine but the Dodgers have a history of tremendous sucktitude. Even since World War II, the Dodgers have posted only 12 sub .500 seasons, so they have been remarkably not that bad. So where's the long history of losing, Stiles?

The Dodgers, when they were still in Brooklyn known as the Robins until 1932 - as well as some other nicknames like the Bridegrooms and Superbas - were the ORIGINAL "lovable losers". They weren't called the "lovable losers" because they lost a lot, but because they were second class citizens in New York compared to the Giants and Bronx Bombers but also because they just couldn't seem to get that final win.

They lost seven World Series before finally winning their first in 1955 but have won five since - all in Los Angeles! They were runners up to the Mighty Yankees in the World Series a miraculous seven times while topping the Pinstripes only thrice - 1955, 1963 and 1981.

Of all the teams in this year's playoffs, the Dodgers have the best all-time winning percentage at .524.

Milwaukee Brewers

Milwaukee Brewers 90-72
Milwaukee Brewers 90-72

For starters, the Brewers started as the Seattle Pilots. That's quite a legacy in it's own right. Like many expansion teams the Brewers took a while to get out of the cellar - they didn't have a winning record until their tenth season. They've only been to the playoffs twice previously - the strike shortened 1981 season and again in 1982 eventually losing the World Series to Whitey Herzog's Cardinals. That's quite a long time in the realm of professional sports - or longer ago than the birth of the seeming majority of internet users!

The Brewers have long been a vagabond franchise as the only team to have played as residents of the AL West, AL East and AL Central. Also, the Brewers are the only MLB team to have switched leagues from AL to NL in 1998 - supposedly to aid expansion and to alleviate scheduling conflicts but more logically to capitalize financially on their geographical rivalry with the popular Cubs. They were also the property of the Selig family - a perpetual double whammy!




So Stiles? What's the point of all of this?

Well, it appears this might be the last "October" since MLB decided to extend the season into November next year...

There's been a lot of hullabaloo made over the fact that both of Chicago's teams are in the playoffs (even if the White Sox stay is only a one game playoff) together since 1906. I think it's also big deal that no New York franchise is in the playoffs for the first time since 1993 or that both Los Angeles area-based teams are in the playoffs for only the second time (2004).

It's also very interesting to note that Minnesota, Milwaukee and Tampa Bay all play in domes. The only other time three playoff teams called a dome "home" was 2001 when the Astros, Diamondbacks and Mariners made the playoffs together.


So...

It's 2008 and NONE of the team's histories MATTER now. Will the Cubs find a way to get stomped out of the playoffs - probably. Will people blame it on a "curse" instead of simply getting "beat" - probably.

If they win the World Series, will it be "victory" or "overcoming the curse"? Let me just say, I've placed a few curses in my life and coincidence is ALWAYS more potent than any "curse"...

If the Rays or Brewers win their first World Series, baseball benefits from the variety. Certainly the fan bases can finally silence their detractors and usher in a new wave of franchises copying their success by developing wisely from within.

If the Phillies end the "Curse of Jim O'Brien" or if the Dodgers or Twins end their extended Title slump, even if the Angels, White Sox or Red Sox can earn another title in this decade, true baseball fans will enjoy it fully and then step into the darkness of the long winter... yearning and pining for just one more game to relish - just 120 or so days until Spring training begins again!


Coincidentally... It happens every year. Only one team can end it's October with a victory.

Only one team can keep the past in the past this season and forget it's Long History of Losing (or not start a new era of losing) while the rest go back to the drawing baord and "Get 'em next year!"

Whose October is it this time???


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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
440 days ago
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Correction: the Brewers were property of the Seligs. The Brewers were doomed from the beginning. For your random trivia of the day enjoyment: They were forced to keep the colors blue and yellow because the sale happened so close to the season and the franchise in such a terrible financial situation that new colors and uniforms could not be prepared in time, so the team tore the Seattle Pilots insignia from the jerseys and replaced them with Brewers insignia. Sad ain't it?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
440 days ago
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Fine, it's "were" not "are" now... Nice tidbit! (and not surprising AT ALL)
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
440 days ago
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I didn't mean to nitpick, but you can understand the frustration, but there's a distinct difference: the Brewers organization of the Attanasio era is dedicated to winning.
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CheezerAll-Star
440 days ago
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Ahh yes, Harvey's Wallbangers. I remember it like it were yesterday. Yount Molitor Gantner and Cooper. Thomas, Oglivie,and I believe Charlie Moore in RF. Simmons behind the plate and players like Mike Caldwell and Don Sutton on the mound with Rollie Fingers making saves.

Good times.
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CheezerAll-Star
440 days ago
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It was the last time I really gave a sh!t about the Brewers.
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
440 days ago
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I remember it like it yesterday (when I watched the fantastic DVD!).
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
440 days ago
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...and you can tell how often I click on links...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
440 days ago
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I remember 1982 well because my two favorite players were Dale Murphy and Rod Carew - and they BOTH got hosed in the playoffs...
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Oh No RomoDraft Pick
440 days ago
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Buck Rogers in the 25th Century?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
440 days ago
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No, the Original Buck... he was around LONG before Gil Gerard!
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Oh No RomoDraft Pick
440 days ago
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The same Gil Gerard that works at a Safeway in New Mexico...and owes me $20?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
440 days ago
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What? Am I really supposed to keep track of all of your wheelings and dealings?
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KelsdadAll-Star
440 days ago
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So the difference then between the Rays and the other teams is the Rays SHORT history of losing?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
440 days ago
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So much is made out of Tampa Bay's losing history, but every team sucks sooner or later... and MUCH longer!


The real point is NONE of these pasts matter when the future is turning into the present.
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JuTMSY4Legend
440 days ago
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Even small market, small payroll teams drop down again (twins and As come to mine)...if anything Tampa's got a few years at most before they need to reload... Evan Longoria, Scott Kazmir, Carl Crawford...They'll all look good in pin stripes (the gross black kind) or Red Socks in a few years...hahahaha
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
440 days ago
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In a few years? You better think again... Every Rays regular besides Navarro and Upton are locked up to long term deals already.... (annoyed groan) And for the millionth time, the current ownership has PLENTY of money, an abundance of creativity and experience in running a successful business and a willingness to show commitment to maintaining a winning tradition in Tampa Bay.
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SSreportersLegend
440 days ago
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You know what the remaining AL teams (now that the Twins are out) also have in common? They've won the World Series in this decade! So if the pattern follows, the Rays will win the World Series either this year or next year...or even both!


By the way, the Tigers didn't play in the 1 game playoff, the Twins did. ;-) I'll edit it for you.
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JuTMSY4Legend
440 days ago
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I guess if you take it a step further than means that some shitty NL team is due in a few years after handly winning their very crappy division...
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Oh No RomoDraft Pick
440 days ago
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So you're saying there's a chance...
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JuTMSY4Legend
440 days ago
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Cubs? No Sorry...
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KelsdadAll-Star
440 days ago
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All that matters is now. The Rays will host a playoff game vs. the White Sox on Thursday in front if 34,000 empty seats.
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SSreportersLegend
440 days ago
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You mean those empty seats that have actually been sold out for games 1 and 2?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
440 days ago
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Yeah, empty seats joke... that's original.
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JuTMSY4Legend
440 days ago
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they should just pool Marlins, Braves and Rays fans...between the three of them they should have enough fans to fill a stadium...

and odds are between the Marlins once every 6 or 7 years system, the Braves occasional playoff runs and the Rays current (and untrended) surge, they should do pretty well as a fan base...

they'll still be frontrunning douches though...
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KelsdadAll-Star
440 days ago
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"sold" and "filled" are kind of different, eh?
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SSreportersLegend
440 days ago
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Just remember, when the Marlins won the World Series (against the Yankees) , they had a packed house for their playoff games. The Rays play in a smaller stadium and playoff games just about always have large crowd so I think they'll get a full house. There is such a thing as "Media hype", and since the Buccaneers are about as exciting as watching the grass grow on your lawn, all the papers and radio shows and TV programs will be about the "Cinderella Team".
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
440 days ago
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KD, you don't realize what you are saying... I guess you're trying to be funny but the fact that you're grabbing at these straws that defy reality is funnier...

The "attendance issue" in St. Pete has everything to do with geography and nothing to do with a fanbase or demographics.


Stop regurgitating the mindset of the past. Live in today. Accept reality.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
440 days ago
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Regurgitating facts? Not being original? 10,000 losses? Come on, isn't that little tidbit a tad overdone? They've been around for 126 (not 146) years. That many losses was inevitable. They'll be joined by the Braves soon. I wonder if that number will still be as interesting then...
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
440 days ago
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or rather, 142...
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
440 days ago
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"Curse of Jim O'Brien" ? Now that's original...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
440 days ago
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I have NO idea where "142" came from...

10,000 losses - there's a reason the Phillies have that many.... they really HAVE sucked that bad for that long.

I know a lot of old people who would rather have had the Phillies leave town in 1954 than the Athletics.

As a kid growing up in the Philly burbs, I came along just in time for the Phillies hey day - I just turned 7 years old when Tug McGraw lept into Bob Boone's arms... My first Phillies game was at the 1983 NLCS against L.A.

Let me say that anyone who lived through the Steve Jeltz era can see how it seemed like all 10,000 losses happened between 1986 and 1992.

Long live Von Hayes, if you know what I mean...

At least you have Harry Kalas - not a personality or a gimmick like many other teams had... cough, cough Cubs, cough... - Harry Kalas is a TRUE broadcasting god!
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
440 days ago
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I still have my 1980 Phillies book bag and a collectible glass in storage that commemorated the Phillies' 100th season.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
439 days ago
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Steve Jeltz, Kevin Saucier, Nick Leyva, Rick Schu...One thing about Phillies fans - they are long term and they have strong stomachs. The 1994-1999 years were as bad as could be. And yet, here I am still a fan.


Harry the K is awesome. He's lost a bit, but he's still the best. Better than Andy Muser or Chris Wheeler on their best days. I miss Whitey (Richie Ashburn for you out-of-towners) too.


I know what you mean about the 1980 Phils (I even wrote about that a while back. I'd [[link] it, but I never seem to be able to do that). I was 11 when they won it all. I remember that like it was yesterday. I hope I can experience it again. The excitement the fanbase has when the Phils are good is really something.


And I also have a few momentos from the 1976-1980 era, including the yearbooks, the Ginger Ale cans and my cherished baseball cards.


Yeah...they have been bad over the years. But they're still my team. Go Phils!
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KelsdadAll-Star
439 days ago
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Scott Munninghoff, George Vuckovich, Warren Brusstar, Ozzie Virgil Jr., Bobby Dernier, Bob Walk, Dickie Noles.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
439 days ago
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Yeesh. At least Dernier and Noles contributed. Charles Hudson, Keith Moreland, Doug Bird...And they live on in our hearts and minds!
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
439 days ago
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A list of Phillies of the 80's:

The guys who make me smile when I remember them: Bake McBride, John Vukovich, Greg Luzinski, Gary Maddox, Gary Matthews, Manny Trillo, Ivan DeJesus, Bo Diaz (poor guy), Joe Lefebvre, Glenn Wilson, Greg Gross, Juan Samuel and of course, Larry Anderson...

Did something elsewhere but still wore the "P" before or after the fact: World Series hero Lonnie Smith, HoFer Ryne Sandberg, Cy Young Mark Davis, Sparky Lyle, they gave away George Bell before he got to the bigs, Julio Franco, HoF Joe Morgan, HoF Tony Perez, Cy Young Willie Hernandez, Batting Champ Al Oliver, All-time hit leader Pete Rose, Gold Glover Mike LaValliere, All time appearance reliever Kent Tekulve, Multiple 20-game winner Dave Stewart, All-Star Lance Parrish, Back to Back MVP Dale Murphy, All-star Phil Bradley, All-Star Tom Herr, All-Star Dickie Thon, Multiple Gold Glover Dwayne Murphy...

The bad and the ugly: Tim McCarver, Luis Aguayo, Bob Walk, Porfi Altamirano, Sid Monge, Sixto Lezcano, Jeff Stone, Don Carman, Marvin Freeman, Shane Rawley, John Russell, Greg Jelks, Wally Ritchie, Bruce Ruffin...

And how good could Ron Jones have been? What if?

Jeez, every year the Phils would give away a future star and keep the scrubs (like Darren Daulton until he hung out with Pete Incaviglia and learned all about steroids) and added an aging has-been to make up the difference to put a team around Mike Schmidt and Steve Carlton. What a mess that team was after 1980...
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
439 days ago
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Wow - another Phils fan who didn't like Daulton. Didn't know there were any others. Porfi Altimwhatever. Some of these names should make fans of other teams realize how lucky they are!


But here's what's kinda cool for us 'younger fans' - since 1968 (40 years) they've had 7 division titles, 3 WS appearances and 1 WS win. That wouldn't be so bad if not for the 2 WS appearances and no wins the previous 86 years!!
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KelsdadAll-Star
440 days ago
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I'm sure if you asked, you'd probably get the standard, "We don't care who we play" line, but privately I imagine there aren't too many associated with the Rays who are all that thrilled about playing Chicago.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
440 days ago
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Why would it matter? Both teams are inferior across the board - look at the standings, look at the run differentials... Personally, I would rather play Chicago than Minnesota. The White Sox just blew their load two days in a row just to get here. The Rays stomped the White Sox this year and struggled with the Twins.


And why risk Delmon Young coming back to sting you...


Ultimately, I think the Rays are salivating at this series and might even be looking forward to beating the Angels (Joe Maddon's revenge) - I KNOW they're not scared of ANY team...
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SSreportersLegend
440 days ago
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And just for anyone who cares, the return of Harold Reynolds to the booth is a reality!


Don Orsillo and Harold Reynolds will call the White Sox/Rays series, which is the first playoff game for Reynolds since being fired by ESPN.
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JuTMSY4Legend
440 days ago
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Don Orsillo?! Northeastern University Fan
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JuTMSY4Legend
440 days ago
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NU This user is a Northeastern University fan
mm, the old style fan boxes are such a bitch now...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
440 days ago
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Carlos Pena?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
440 days ago
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Harold Reynolds? What about the "return of SSR"??
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JuTMSY4Legend
440 days ago
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Don Orsillo is also an NU alum...
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
440 days ago
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Harold Reynolds? Robin Fuckin Yount is in the playoffs again. There are better things to get excited about.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
440 days ago
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Robin Fuckin Yount was in the playoffs as a coach with the Diamondbacks in '02, Corey!
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CoreyisarealboyMajor Leaguer
440 days ago
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And that's a bigger absence than Harold Reynolds. Thanks for making my point!
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Smmonroe2Varsity Captain
439 days ago
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Over all a good read Manny
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439 days ago
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
439 days ago
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How much does it pay?
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JuTMSY4Legend
439 days ago
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Same as AGM...
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JuTMSY4Legend
439 days ago
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They try to keep the salaries competitive, y'know...
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