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Trizz vs. Bob Costas

by Trizz
created May 01, 2008, last edited November 20, 2009
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I actually wasn’t going to touch on this one, but what the hell I have no class today. So Bob Costas hates blogging, yaaawn get over it he's like the old man who starts every sentence with "kids today" and calls the TV the idiot box. He seems to blame blogging for the decline in print media and declining interest in journalism(really I'm to blame for all that, I’m blushing) but he couldn’t be more wrong about that, blogs are not going to replace straight up news if someone was to go to a blog for some 100% factual information its really not the blogger’s fault for the person being that damn dumb. Instead blogs are more opinion than fact, its the new-age sports column whether people like it or not. They talked a lot about credentials, but what credentials do you need to write an opinion?

The old guy lost this battle, why Costas thinks he can win his
The old guy lost this battle, why Costas thinks he can win his

To paraphrase D-Dub, I watched the game, I saw what happened, I have access to the stats and box scores, I have the quotes and unbiased news reports so basically I have the raw materials available to form my own opinion. So quite frankly(take that Screamin A.), I don’t need someone else to form that opinion for me. And as I’m free to write my own opinions others are free to do the same and I'm free to choose who the hell I rather read Dan Shaughnessy or BostonDirtdogs.com.

This guy's that much better than me...nah I don't think so
This guy's that much better than me...nah I don't think so

Who’s to say that only people with journalism degrees should be listened to and read, at the end of the day they are just fans who get paid to do what many fans do for free. But really thats not the root of the problem, its really journalists don’t have the thick skin to hear the fan’s voice. They miss the old days when basically fans only talked smack in the bar amongst themselves. Now they can go public with it, and now the guy who made a career talking down on others can’t handle the same courtesy. I find that hilarious, how Screamin A. can talk shit about anybody in the league but can't take a fan talking about him. What if a player was to say if you never played the game professionally shut the fack up...thats basically what journalists are trying to say to bloggers...I smell hypocrisy. But of course, there are people who do give blogging a bad rep.

There's the unemployed 30 something who lives in their parents basement(idk i just love that caricature) who behind the safety of a computer and a blocked IP address can say anything about anybody. And of course there are pretty good bloggers who write like professionals and of course there’s people like me; I could write AP style, insightful, excellent quality stuff….but I don’t wanna. I rather use profanity, slang and poor sentence structure. When I write it is more of a transcript of my thoughts and feelings, thats how I like it. On the other hand there are experienced journalists who write like they never watched a sporting event in their lives. And there's pretty good journalists that show that they deserve that check each week.

Journalists have to realize every blogger isn't this guy
Journalists have to realize every blogger isn't this guy
Bloggers have to realize every journalist isn't this guy, see how compromise works
Bloggers have to realize every journalist isn't this guy, see how compromise works

Alas, you can’t generalize based off certain people. As for blogs posting personal lives of people the answer simple; blame society. As cliche as that sounds, we live in a society where people love to watch the downfall of others, especially those who are more successful than themselves. I guess it gives people confidence knowing that their favorite actress got arrested for a DUI, or that their favorite singer doesn’t look as good as she did 20 years ago. That cannot be pinned on blogging, if a blogger doesn't post it then the “credible” news will. Why? Because people care about things like that, like I said blame society.

Sites like TMZ has banked on America's love/hate relationship with celebrities
Sites like TMZ has banked on America's love/hate relationship with celebrities

This new guy brought up a point about bloggers are just wannabe journalists. Personally, I would have to disagree because sportswriters don't make enough for me to want to be one. I write to amuse myself and others, thats all. I'm not trying to be someone I'm not, if I think you suck I'll probably say it to your face, if I get my ass kicked I'm going down swinging but that's just the type of person I am.

Trizz may not be able to beat every athlete but he can surely take this guy
Trizz may not be able to beat every athlete but he can surely take this guy

All and all, no one is trying to steal jobs from journalists. In the end its up to the people to choose, if people rather go to Deadspin than pick up the Boston Globe, journalists can’t be mad at the blog or the people, brush it off and give them something undeniable, something that will have people talking, essentially, step your game up. If you have so much credentials and experience how are you losing to Joe Schmoe, this should be a reason to be better at what you do not to attack. That’s all I’m sayin

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SSreportersLegend
580 days ago
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To me, all that kinda crap Costas and Bissinger come up with is full fledged elitist.

We're good at writing, and you're not. That's why we're journalists, and that's why you're writing a crummy piece of **** blog. That's exactly what they think.

I'm tired of this whole credibility issue. Most blogs are, as you said, opinion based, so if I need credibility to state my own opinion then the world has come to an end.

Where do you list your sources? Blah, blah, blah. Well you know what? YOU guys are the sources. Blogs and print media can co-exist.

Bloggers don't give a darn (gotta watch the language eh Mr. Bissinger) about writing for the media because they are NOT the media. You don't see anyone in Iraq getting access saying "I'm a blogger". Bloggers write for the reader. If you don't get readership, what's the point of writing a blog if no one is reading it? And if no one is reading it, then you're either making it a secret, or your blog plain sucks.

How is blogging affecting the decline of newspapers when looking for news? It isn't. A newspaper that you get today will only get news from yesterday and a crossword puzzle and it never changes if something happens after it went to press.

We live in the days of the internet, television, all of this technology. I can read about the death of some celebrity 45 minutes in as a breaking news report, but that won't help at all reading a newspaper, which has yesterday's news.

Buzz Bissinger also mentioned that his 16 year old son or whatever age he was could be looking at profanity and offensive content instead of newspapers or a book. First of all, he is 16 years old, he is almost an adult so that throws your argument out the door. Second of all, there are millions of blogs and sites in the world. The internet as far as information, whether or not it's factually correct, is infinite. If he goes to a site with profanity, that's just one freaking site! He could go to a site like....ArmchairGM and find something totally different.

Before I end this rant, I want to go back to the credibility part. Mr. Bissinger also talked to Leitch about WC Hinds (sp?), and about who would you rather go to for a write up of a baseball game. What?! None of you guys played professionally and neither have us for the most part. Why can only a certain group of people write about why Zito should've been pulled after the 5th inning? One word: Elitist.

Blogging is not going to take over the Earth. People can think for themselves. They can differentiate fact from opinion, and right from wrong. They have to know that we're not Pulitzer Prize winning journalists who can write 5 pages on basketball. We're just average Joe's trying to get our voices heard, and have something refreshing instead of the same old tired voice of Bill Plaschke.
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SSreportersLegend
580 days ago
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I forgot to mention that Leitch wrote for the NY Times during the 2007 NCAA Tournament and the 2007 MLB Playoffs. So.....
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Oh No RomoDraft Pick
580 days ago
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Heinz....like the ketchup
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SSreportersLegend
580 days ago
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Thanks....
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MegECass110AAA-er
580 days ago
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Longest comment ever?
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JuTMSY4Legend
580 days ago
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the guys at the 700level also wrote for the times i believe...
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False ProphetAll-Star
580 days ago
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not even close. Davis holds that record. Manny's in second. They both were on the same article about clutch. It's a long comment though.
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SSreportersLegend
580 days ago
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Every once in a while I go on a rant in the comments section....
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False ProphetAll-Star
580 days ago
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this is the longest comment since I've been here
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TrizzAll-American
580 days ago
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ur link sucks FP....but yea SSR is burning right now...watch out
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False ProphetAll-Star
580 days ago
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try this one
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TrizzAll-American
580 days ago
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Strike 2 FP
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SSreportersLegend
580 days ago
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Try this. Big Game, Presence, or Nature.
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TrizzAll-American
580 days ago
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FP with the base hit...lol
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False ProphetAll-Star
580 days ago
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there's something wierd with linking to a page with a question mark. I'll go tell pean
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SSreportersLegend
580 days ago
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No fair, I get the hit and he gets the credit.
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KelsdadAll-Star
580 days ago
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Why can only a certain group of people write about why Zito should've been pulled after the 5th inning?

Because they don't know why. Do you want an audience like Peter Gammons or like Jay Mariotti?

You have to know what you're talking about.
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SSreportersLegend
580 days ago
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Good article BTW.
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False ProphetAll-Star
580 days ago
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Haha, Captain sarcastic has been around for a while ;) ...
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TrizzAll-American
580 days ago
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never noticed him til yesterday...
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False ProphetAll-Star
580 days ago
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He's been around sporadically for a while, and comes up whenever he's been bored. Last time, it was during the JtJ fiasco (I think)
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Oh No RomoDraft Pick
580 days ago
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I have two goals in life...
  • To use Bob Costas in a midget-toss contest
  • To be a legit writer (doesn't matter if I'm a journalist or blogger)
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Oh No RomoDraft Pick
580 days ago
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This would most likely happen between me and Buzz Image:PVC.jpg
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TrizzAll-American
580 days ago
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And another thing I forgot to mention: BOB COSTAS NEVER GRADUATED COLLEGE
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SSreportersLegend
580 days ago
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But....he want to the 'Cuse.
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MegECass110AAA-er
580 days ago
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LET'S GO ORANGE A few very talented people I know did the same thing...they quit school and went and got jobs calling minor league baseball games or worked on the radio. I'm not that good yet, hopefully I will be by December.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
580 days ago
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Meg, I can tell you that the best (and luckiest) thing I did after graduation was get a job with the local paper covering high school sports. It's a great way to learn the craft - you have to keep the stats yourself, know the league standings, know who the prominent players are and conduct your interviews. There's nobody but you doing the work. You learn to trust yourself and you start to develop your own style. I found this experience to be just as valuable as the degree.
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MegECass110AAA-er
580 days ago
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Absolutely agree. I've done campus tv for 3 and a 1/2 years, radio reporting for another year, and interned for a semester, and I've learned more from those experiences than I've learned in class.
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Oh No RomoDraft Pick
580 days ago
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I've learned a lot at my college, mainly because my Comm Arts department involves working hands-on. I've learned a ton and I feel as though I'll be ready to go soon enough.
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MegECass110AAA-er
580 days ago
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I won't say much, I think I mouthed off enough yesterday. But this topic really is fascinating to me... Trizz is right, it's a two way street. While the journalists should embrace our content, we should embrace theirs. For every Plaschke and Mariotti, there's a Bob Ryan or Mike Waters (Syracuse bball writer). And Bissinger, however much of a douchebag he is, is an incredible writer. Wherever it is, whether it be in the paper or online, we should be able to appreciate good writing when we see it.
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TrizzAll-American
580 days ago
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Friday Night Lights greatest book and show ever....not a bad movie either
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MegECass110AAA-er
580 days ago
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I came out of FNL the movie, and I had no idea what to make of it. I loved it until the end, and I felt like I had been run over by a Mack truck. I haven't seen it since.
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MegECass110AAA-er
580 days ago
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Let me rephrase...it's not that journalists SHOULD embrace blogging, they just shouldn't be so antagonistic against it. If you don't like it, don't read it.
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KelsdadAll-Star
580 days ago
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Blogging gives people who aren't talented enough to be journalists a forum to express their opinion. For every person on this site like Meg, who is attending a Division 1 school famous for its journalism program, and who has aspirations to be on TV, we have some who think bashing these people while hero worshipping a douchebag is a legitimate endeavor. Total opposite ends of the spectrum represented on the same site, and sometimes in the same discussion. Blogging to journalism is kind of like minor league baseball, thousands play, but how many will actually make the majors, and out of those, how many will become stars?
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JuTMSY4Legend
580 days ago
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you could apply that to almost any job though...
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InterMatAll-American
580 days ago
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Meg is doing it the right way, the way I really wanted to do it. I couldn't really "afford" Syracuse ... it was my #1 choice coming out of college. Same could be said for Brown, I got into both but ended up at the state school close to home ... where, ta da! All my established media contacts were.

I would have really been in a competitive atmosphere at Syracuse, which could have helped, but at the same point, I got seven years of hands-on, running the show type of experience at Old Dominion ... and better access than I would have in the Big East.

She's doing it the right way, that's for sure. No "Dream Job" for me.
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KelsdadAll-Star
580 days ago
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Brown, alma mater of one Chris Berman.
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KelsdadAll-Star
580 days ago
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Absolutely true. The guy who graduates at the bottom of his medical school class is still a doctor, except instead of making a million a year at Sloan-Kettering he's giving tetanus shots to the homeless in East LA. But they both go to the same reunion every year.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
580 days ago
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Trizz...nicely done. And AP style is overrated - and I say this as a holder of journo degree! :-) Meg, I totally agree with you on the point of readers should appreciate good writing when they see it, regardless of the source. We should (myself included) remember that this all subjective. I dislike Bob Costas, Al Michaels and Jim Nantz quite intensely - but I know they are considered among the elite in the biz. So I don't pay them any mind. That's the great thing about it. If Bissinger and Costas would just acknowledge that they dislike bloggers, and leave it at that--no problem. There is no need to call people out because you dislike someone. And the fact that Mariotti still writes is proof that even if you do call someone out - it's not likely that anything will change. The thing I enjoy most about ArmchairGM is the differing perspectives. Sometimes, with the pro journos, it all sounds like the same buzz.
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KelsdadAll-Star
580 days ago
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Big time journalists are no more talented or able than anyone else, they are just fortunate enough to have found themselves in the right place at the right time. When Chris Berman first started at ESPN he was making 17 grand a year, now he makes that in a week. The network makes the reporter, not the other way around. Same with Nantz and Costas and Michaels. I happen to like Al Michaels, but without "Do you believe in miracles", he's doing the eleven o'clock news in a mid-market somewhere. Same with Nantz. His claim to fame is broadcasting golf for chrissakes, he could just as easily be a no-name on NBC doing Nascar. It's like our friend so illustriously stated, put Derek Jeter in Kansas City and no one knows who he is. An overstatement for sure, but he certainly makes a valid point. Journalists are the same way. Anyone heard of Dan Patrick lately? Exactly.
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JuTMSY4Legend
580 days ago
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he's at sports illustrated right here
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JuTMSY4Legend
580 days ago
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and he's on the radio... its not saying those guys aren't talented...but they need as much help as they do talent...
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InterMatAll-American
580 days ago
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Kels,

I don't exactly agree with the statment that we're in the right place in the right time and that is why we (I say we based on my experience working for a daily for eight years) have the jobs "we" have.

Ironically enough, I now operate a web site and write a blog within that site on a variety of topics, some have been posted here, some haven't.

I think you have to be good at your craft. You can't teach talent, but you can teach style and technique. I wasn't the most seasoned when I wrote my first story for the weekly paper when I was 15 ... lord knows I look back at some of those early stories and think "what the hell?"

The feeling I have, at 28 with already 13 years in the books, is the "big time" guys paid their dues, applied for the right jobs and while I don't think Stephen A. Smith is a good television personality, I think he's a fine writer and did things to get where he is based on constant upward movement.

In my old newsroom, everyone was looking for that "next" job. They were looking to move to the better market with more prestige and a higher level of skilled people around them. As a high school student, hell, I was content just to have a job a thte paper.

But one editor retired, another comes in, with his eyes not on the current job, but on the job he wants to get by what he does at the current job. It's all movement.

With writing, it's the same thing. You have to get your feet wet and pay your dues.

I think what the blogging generation, and our generation in general, is wanting to be that next columnist immediately. The internet provides instant gratification. All it takes is one seedy blog post to make someone's "internet career."

I think too many wannabe sportswriters nowawadays are writing because they want to be on SportsCenter, and the writing shows.

I give a lot of credit to the teenagers we have posting on AGM. To me, it shows initiative. Some of them, you can see, they're going to be good one day, but right now, everyone's green.

My stuff still needs to improve, even my great stories I find little things I could have done better.

It's not like blogging is "the minor leagues," but do bloggers consider themselves journalists? That might be a fairer question.

I'm a journalist who writes a blog on my media web site, I don't want to be called "a blogger," because that's not what I do. However, I don't find it to be "downtalking" to any bloggers that like being called bloggers and don't like being called writers.

Food for thought.
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TrizzAll-American
580 days ago
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I agree Intermat...the internet has become a way for instant celebrity so to speak, which is why you have people on youtube, blogs, myspace just trying to get that big break while sitting at a computer, in that sense i agree wit Costas that could weaken journalistic world as kids grow up and they dont want the high school gig, they want to write on the Sox and get noticed right away and be on PTI. Blogging is in a way like the minor league for some not all, like most people on AGM should be well aware that they wont become famous here
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KelsdadAll-Star
580 days ago
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The reference InterMat is to the more well-known people in the industry, not the other 99% of us. You may be more talented than Chris Berman or Al Michaels, the difference is opening the right door, or in Berman's case, having someone else open it for him. That's what is meant by being in the right place at the right time.
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KelsdadAll-Star
580 days ago
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What about the people here that are already famous, Trizz?
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SSreportersLegend
580 days ago
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Like Manny, the founder of ArmchairGM?
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KelsdadAll-Star
580 days ago
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Hardly
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SSreportersLegend
580 days ago
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Then the only "famous" person on here per se would be The Sports Hernia, who is rarely on, but had their blog shown on Sportscenter.
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MegECass110AAA-er
580 days ago
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I'm sorry I've waited so long to tell all of you, but...

I'm kind of a big deal. People know me. Ron_Burgundy_scent.jpg

I'm sorry, it had to be done :)
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KelsdadAll-Star
580 days ago
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Oh, SSR, you are so naive.

And, no, I'm not going to tell you, if they wanted their names known they wouldn't have fake user names.

Now why don't you stop prying for info and get back to adding witty captions to caption contests.
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KelsdadAll-Star
580 days ago
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Look at that Alex, Meg is a girl and has a better mustache than you!!
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SSreportersLegend
580 days ago
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Can't.....stop....laughing.
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MegECass110AAA-er
580 days ago
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Touche, KD. Touche.
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PatcannSoccer Kid
580 days ago
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That article that AJ Daulerio "wrote" on Deadpsin that Costas brought up about Rick Reilly wasn't actually written by AJ. Solid journalism right there.
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Cougar2000All-American
580 days ago
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Good read, Trizz! We have access to the same info that beat writers have.
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TrizzAll-American
579 days ago
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yes, Featured on Armchairgm and ESPN.com....awfulannouncing effed up the triple crown
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SSreportersLegend
579 days ago
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???
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TrizzAll-American
579 days ago
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This article is on the espn front page and the agm front page...i sent it to awful announcing but they didnt post it...now do u get it
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OvertheedgeVarsity
579 days ago
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costas is a douche, why does everyone feel the need to talk about him? all this attention is just what he wants
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TrizzAll-American
579 days ago
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of course he wants attention its sweeps week...but hey he pushes you just gotta push back
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