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Thoughts About The List, Other Finger Waggings and How Baseball Can Move Beyond The Steroid Era

by Manny Stiles
created July 31, 2009, last edited August 02, 2009
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OK. Here's the thing... the people on "the list" from MLB's testing in 2003 tested positive for "substances". Not all the substances that players tested positive for were banned in baseball at that time - I know what you're going to say... "steroids are illegal" - and I will remind you that no, they are not if you have a prescription. Not all testosterone precursors are illegal. And let us not forget that while illicit use of steroids is illegal in the United States and that nearly 50% of MLB players in 2003 were NOT born in the United States - such as one Mr. David Ortiz.

Baseball players and pro athletes in general get surgeries/scopes/procedures ALL THE TIME. Show me a player who has never had some injury and procedure and I'll show you a player who soon will. Steroids and growth hormones definitely speed up recovery times and that's why doctors prescribe them. It's also why athletes use PEDs - to recover from the stress of working out, playing 162 games and getting back to full form quicker. I'm not saying everyone was using them justifiably but there's no telling...

Eliminate Bud and the Steroid Era gets a decent final chapter.
Eliminate Bud and the Steroid Era gets a decent final chapter.

Also, there has been many names besides Ortiz, Ramirez, Rodriguez and Sosa already released from the list including Barry Bonds, David Segui, Jason Grimsley, Adam Piatt and a couple other nobodies. MOST of this list will include nobodies or names that have already been established by the Mitchell Report (which dates back further than 2003 in many references. That's why the "big dog" names are getting released - so "journalists" can drag the game down, drag the individuals down and lift themselves up at the same time... it's scum journalism and it makes me sick but this is the TMZ world in which we live. Regular people devour scandal when it humanizes their "heroes".

Guess what? Athletes are NOT perfect. Given the opportunity to "get away with" something deemed seemingly insignificant at the time ("everyone is doing it"), they cheat. At baseball, on their spouses, on their taxes... on and on. They are JUST LIKE NORMAL CITIZENS. Athletes are invincible in their own minds and don't bother to consider consequences... or as every athlete ever said "It's not going to happen to me."

The media is just as responsible for this fiasco as anyone not named Bud Selig. They glorified these SAME athletes, they created the hunger for more-more-more and saw the changes in their bodies and said very little to stop the madness...

Bud had the opportunity to shut this down back in the early 90's but instead said "Steroids don't help you play baseball" since that's what everyone said since the late 60's when steroids first made their splash in the sporting culture. They were right, steroids don't make you a better player, but they help you get over the nagging pains and give you strength and above all confidence and swagger - these things DO help you play baseball better. Bud also didn't know that HGH does improve your eyesight AND positively affects your hand eye coordination. Ask Barry Bonds.

"You know what's bigger than a forehead? A five head!! Ha ha! Now where's my fat check from the owners to look away? Is this thing on?"
"You know what's bigger than a forehead? A five head!! Ha ha! Now where's my fat check from the owners to look away? Is this thing on?"

Bud could have handled the situation again when Jose Canseco babbled on about being "blackballed" by MLB after the MLB-owned Montreal Expos released him and prevented his comeback attempt. Bud scoffed at Canseco and Canseco said "Fine. I'm writing a book and naming names." Bud did nothing.

Then the book came out. Bud scoffed again and dismissed it entirely.

Move on to the Mitchell report December 13, 2007. Bud Selig commissioned a fine investigator to do all this dirty work and to suggest an outline for the future. For all of Bud's unawareness and ignorance that exacerbated the problem, the Mitchell report only cost a sum of $20 million - and damaged the game's reputation perhaps beyond repair. When Senator Mitchell stood at the podium next to Bud Selig and basically told Bud it was his fault baseball was too slow to move on the steroid issue. He then went on to suggest/demand "Let's move on. Let's move to the future and do what's right for the game of baseball."

"Ah-Whaaaat? Whaaaaat? What? Yeeeeaah, Ohhhhkayeee!"
"Ah-Whaaaat? Whaaaaat? What? Yeeeeaah, Ohhhhkayeee!"

Bud openly defied that suggestion minutes later. He said that punishment would be made swiftly and that more players would be investigated. Bud took Mitchell's suggestion on how to restore the game and spat upon it. And here we are STILL dealing with this garbage as a result.

The testing done in 2003 is SIX years old! I've had two kids since then. The Red Sox won TWO World Series, the Yankees haven't won in nearly a decade, the Expos have a new name, home and stadium and the Tampa Bay "Devil" Rays don't suck anymore. The World of 2009 is a different place, virtually upside down from the World of 2003.


The testing done in 2003 was single sample, it was done merely to determine if testing was necessary in the future - it was a baseline (answer was a resounding "yes, duhhh", nevertheless). It did not identify the drugs that led to positives (Papi could have simply tested positive for Amphetamines, Coke or Pot!) and was supposed to be anonymous - and was to remain sealed.

Just like Bonds' grand jury testimony, the people who release the names ARE BREAKING THE LAW. If we cannot protect anonymity with court orders, we have a MUCH bigger problem on our hands than steroids and cheating...


But as for a "solution"... Can Bud Selig. Remove him. If the owners and MLBPA REALLY care about cleaning up the game - or the public perception of it at least - get a new commissioner! There's PLENTY of fine candidates ready to lead the game into the future.

"I have ruined baseball THIS much"... "Pssst! Actually, Bud... umm, it's much more than that."
"I have ruined baseball THIS much"...
"Pssst! Actually, Bud... umm, it's much more than that."

Allan "Bud" Selig's bumbling, fumbling, looks in the other direction and name are all over this scandal as much (or more) than anyone else's. It was on his watch that baseball failed and made it's most embarrassing and longest running ignominy. The NFL took steroids head on in 1986 and has basically brushed every PED incident under the proverbial rug since and no one has paused long enough to yawn. Meanwhile baseball gets slaughtered daily. Heads should have rolled a long time ago and there's only the blood of one that could wash this entire episode clean... Bud Selig needs to pay the price.

When Selig gets removed, THEN baseball, its fans and the general public can write on a clean slate, wary and leery but no longer judgmental. Put a new commissioner in and the "Steroid Era" has a fitting funeral whether or not steroids ever leave the game entirely or not. We the fans and American public can move on and the game will thrive again.


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Pittsburgh GunnyMajor Leaguer
120 days ago
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Good stuff Manny, but sadly MLB lost me in 1994 with the players strike, not much has changed to really make me pay all that much attention to it anymore. Perhaps if Selig were to leave but I fear the only thing that will get my interest up is if the Pirates can ever put together a decent ball club. I am and always was a Pirates fan more than a baseball fan.
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Davis21wylieMVP
120 days ago
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This is Manny Stiles at his finest.
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Davis21wylieMVP
120 days ago
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Hmm, apparently there's a glitch at AGM today where completely innocuous comments get 5 minuses...
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HeywoodJablomeWaterboy
120 days ago
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I noticed that earlier when someone's comment went from -12 to 0...
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Davis21wylieMVP
120 days ago
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Are you saying you created multiple accounts to minus people who expressed positive sentiments toward Manny Stiles?
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HeywoodJablomeWaterboy
120 days ago
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Considering MetsJetsDevils was once minused into oblivion, I don't think its out of the realm of possibility to think 12 people legitimately disagreed with that comment. Then again, if 12 people disagreed, are there really another 12 people who bothered to read that comment and plus it? I think you know the answer to that question.
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Davis21wylieMVP
120 days ago
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Want to know what I think? I think you're already the sockpuppet of another user, because MJD hasn't been active here in ages and the infamous "big johnson" comment took place more than 3 years ago.
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HeywoodJablomeWaterboy
120 days ago
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continue
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HeywoodJablomeWaterboy
120 days ago
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sockpuppets like?

TooMannyStiles, any of the jeffersons, EKum, Blisterthumb-whateverhisnameis, sportshaman, kneejerkoff, mr fister, hank scorpio, cap'n sarcastic and so on?

but I'm the bad guy here because I call it like I see it?
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SSreportersLegend
120 days ago
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Enough you two, Heywood is just being himself. He is passionate about whatever his intended purpose is.
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Davis21wylieMVP
120 days ago
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There are no good or bad guys here. I'm trying to figure out which longtime user you really are.
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SSreportersLegend
120 days ago
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Uh Heywood I highly doubt in your tangent that any of the Jeffersons had anything to do with Manny.


That's just trolling stupidity.
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HeywoodJablomeWaterboy
120 days ago
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cause Manny's never done that?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
120 days ago
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Thanks for commenting about the article and/or sports.

'Preciate the maturity and quality insight. Long live AGM.


  • You may now return to your needless jealousy-fueled hatred and mindless finger pointing as I'll return to my yawning at your trolly-trolly jibberish, Heycould JaPossiblyBeAnyMoreSports-less.
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HeywoodJablomeWaterboy
120 days ago
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Comments are writing!!
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AllikskatJV Squad
120 days ago
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Has anyone ever thought that if they put asteriks next to the player's names, they should include the *Comissioner...
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HeywoodJablomeWaterboy
120 days ago
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How many more "anonymous fanatics" are going to vote for this? Yeah, I'm sure they just meandered by and saw this garbage and decided they had to vote for it.
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HeywoodJablomeWaterboy
120 days ago
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[You] should do more "actual research" (Your account of sucking at high school baseball and "hanging out" with some Rays castoff doesn't count) when pumping out a half-assed "article" like this. (now THAT was a snide remark)

"It would be nice if you could let people say what they want without turning into a "you v. me" thing. But here we are (again)."

[sic]
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
120 days ago
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Dude. I said "Snore". See, I say I said "snore" this time because perhaps when I actually snored the first time you didn't realize it was directed at you.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
120 days ago
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Stupid ignored comments make it tough to get replies in the right place. ^^^^ belongs down below.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
120 days ago
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Woo. I suppose I'm being "pwn'd" again by the sacklesspuppet...

Gee, who could it be?


[edit] Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........

Snore.
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HeywoodJablomeWaterboy
120 days ago
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your words, not mine
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
120 days ago
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Dude. I said "Snore". See, I say I said "snore" this time because perhaps when I actually snored the first time you didn't realize it was directed at you.
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HeywoodJablomeWaterboy
120 days ago
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For someone "ignoring" my posts you seem to read an awful lot of them.
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KelsdadAll-Star
119 days ago
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Ok, my two cents, then I'll go back to figuring out who Heywood Ja Blow Me really is....

Commissioners have no authority. The owners and players associations run sports.

Ask the Phoenix Suns about David Stern's love fest for the San Antonio Spurs.

Gary Bettman will "fix" the Phoenix Coyotes situation, with the loser of the bidding war coming out richer than the guy who won.

Same with Selig.

Humor me this for a minute.

Donald Fehr resigned as head of the PA, effective 12/31/09.

Both Selig's contract and the collective bargaining agreement expire in 2011.

If Selig releases the list now, in two years nobody is going to give a rat's ass about drug testing. It won't even be a topic of conversation around the table.

Selig AND the PA are in bed together on this whole thing.

But by releasing a name or two every couple of months, he keeps steriods in the news, and he keeps the fans talking and blogging about it.

Come negotiating time, Selig has his ace in the hole.

Get rid of the DH?

I want drug testing.

Re-vamp the amateur draft?

I want drug testing.

And it goes both ways, Selig has his full house, he can play it or hold it until he feels ready to drop it.

Selig's dumb like a fox.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
119 days ago
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True. And Selig can always say "But look how much money you've all made with me in office!" - dumb like a retarded fox that found a four-leaf clover in a genie lamp.
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JuTMSY4Legend
119 days ago
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Sometimes it's fun to think about conspiracy theories, but there's always the fear your could be outthinking yourself. What is Selig's MO for wanting Drug testing as an end result, or being responsible for it. Is he really that concerned about his legacy?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
119 days ago
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The first commissioner - Kennesaw Mountain Landis - came into power to help baseball overcome the Black Sox scandal. Did it REALLY stop betting in the game? Hell, no. But learn from the past - a new commissioner will "turn the page" for the game.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
118 days ago
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Another excellent article.

Here is a cheap, off the cuff opinion on who should be the next commissioner of major league baseball.

And for those of you who know my conservative political lean on things (not hard right mind you, just a fellow a little worried about that $3 trillion committed to federally spending while still engaged in an expensive war...) this suggestion may come to a complete surprise.

So here it goes.

Former President Bill Clinton.

Yeah, I am serious. There would be no dinking around on the problems that plague baseball. We can talk about the steroid scandal to death (and yes it is a serious problem) but the real 800 lb gorilla is baseball economics (the high price of mediocrity), struggling small market franchises and gearing the game up for the future.

The proposed Commissioner Clinton is not going to pander to either the owners or players union exclusively. He has no stake in either camp. And he already welds more political clout so he cannot be in either side's pocket. There would be no more monkey business with steroids. One call to Washington would all that it would take for suggestion of a National Drug Testing Program outside the realm (and control) of MLB. And most importantly perhaps to the owner, Congress would probably be less interesting in challenging baseball's anti-trust exemption status.

Both sides would have a lot to gain.

Clinton has to be bored right now. After all, he's spent a significant time on tour with Bush for speaking engagements.

While I'm not the world's largest Clinton fan on all issues, no man after all is perfect. But he could probably get the job done. And definitely he would revamp baseball and provide a clean slate.

Hate the idea? So be it. Go ahead and offer another suggestion.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
118 days ago
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What about W.? For pretty much the same reasons AND he was a former owner so there's little to roadblock him from that aspect. Then he can go find all the players' "Weapons of Mass Construction" (steroids)!!!


There's so many people that would be a fantastic replacement for Bud. The key is simply in the "replacement"! End the Steroid Era, turn the page. Out of sight, out of mind.
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