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There are better ways to disagree with the Michael Vick situation than ‘hate’

by BryantWrestling
created August 17, 2009, last edited November 05, 2009
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Perhaps it’s the anxiousness of boarding a plane to South Africa in a few hours that’s made me up and around. I’ve been up all night, and as I’ve explained recently, I haven’t been sleeping too well. But as I was setting up my vacation auto-responder for my e-mail, the Google News blip at the top of my Gmail linked to the ESPN story about Michael Vick and his interview with James Brown on 60 Minutes.

I watched the interview, I’ve read the stories, in fact, I even wrote a blog about the Vicks (Michael and his younger brother Marcus) a few years ago for ArmchairGM. But this was before all the dog fighting charges.

I’ve been privy to many hateful comments in my years of trolling internet message boards. Some get outright nasty, but I don’t think I’ve ever read more hate, real absolute hate, than I have in the comments on newspaper web sites, message boards and the “comments” section underneath news stories around the web than I have as it relates to Michael Vick.

A common theme has been drawn to how people are reacting to Donte’ Stallworth’s DUI manslaughter charges. The relationship is drawn as to how people are reacting to Stallworth killing a person while under the influence and Vick killing animals. I don’t condone either action, in fact, both are actual deplorable and heinous.

Here’s where I find things to get strange. Let’s forget about Stallworth, because quite frankly, he doesn’t impact my opinions on Vick at all. I think what he did to be one of the most heartless things I’ve ever had the displeasure of reading. Having known Michael a long, long time ago, I always kept an eye on his career. I covered him and his brother in high school, so while public perception is one thing, there’s a tie into how I follow athletes from back home. I follow Justin Verlander, David Wright, Allen Iverson, among others, the way I did the Vicks — specifically Michael.

Now, on to the point. I mentioned hate earlier, and I really can’t believe what I’m reading. Perhaps the anonymity of the internet allows people to be brazen and say what’s really on their minds. Then again, with the people so outspoken about Vick being “a monster,” “scum,” and “a piece of trash,” willing to sign their name to it proudly, I get annoyed with the “Glass Houses” crowd.

I grew up with a dog named Linus. I lived with (at one time) four dogs (no, I’m not grouping roommates into that number) in college. I love animals, although my allergies don’t always allow me to be around them as much as I like. I don’t currently own a dog, but as many dog lovers and dog owners know, there’s just something about a loyal pet.

Michael Vick never knew this, and this was played out by his actions with Bad Newz Kennels. Vick is back in the NFL and people are furious. People don’t believe he should have any rights. He’s been in jail, lost millions of dollars and deservedly so. He was punished, some people don’t feel it was enough. I personally find it appalling to know people who end the lives of other human beings get off for less. I’m not putting a value on the life of a dog, because that’s not the point.

The hatred viewed for another human being by people who aren’t without their own faults is sickening. We love dogs, so that gives us the right to say things about someone that would make even the most foul-mouthed of truckers cringe. Like I said, glass houses. I’ve got my faults, I’ve made my mistakes, so for these reasons, I typically stay out of any moral debates when it comes to an issue like this. Who am I to judge?

Those of you who feel it’s necessary to get on your high horse and cast out the laws and rights. The quick reaction is “well, those dogs didn’t have rights.” That’s very true, they didn’t have a choice. But here’s the thing. Life is about choices, Vick made some horrible ones. I’ve made some bad ones, and I can guarantee every single one of you people saying these horrible nasty things about Vick has made some bad ones too. In our society, we have the right to speak our minds, but that doesn’t make the things we say any more right than anyone else. What’s the saying — opinions are like assholes, everyone’s got them, and most of the time, they stink.

I realize I’m rambling here, but nothing seems to tick me off by people using high morality to justify lowering themselves down to the level they want to attack. If you don’t think Michael Vick should have an opportunity to rehab himself, that’s your opinion. You can be justified in having that opinion, but in all the hatred that flows through your words, you contradict all this “moral” sentiment.

I don’t blog or talk publicly about my religion and my beliefs, because in today’s world, people would rather focus on the fact I am a Christian to disprove my arguments than the actual merit behind them. Flaunting your personal beliefs as a platform for your hatred completely defeats the whole foundation of Christianity. So get off your high horse and let the man be.

PETA’s cult-like following purports what’s wrong when people hate so much, they end up defeating the public image of their cause. I don’t condone what Vick did, and I can’t stress that enough. The internet has made any hateful, rage filled individual a pundit on life, morality and ethics. Michael Vick is the latest target.

I know he’s not the victim here. He shouldn’t be treated as such, and I’m not treating him as such. But even convicted murderers have people saying let them get on with their lives and try to be a productive member of society.

Do I think Michael Vick was remorseful? Possibly. But I personally love <insert sarcasm> how people didn’t even give him a chance in his interview. Face it, if you think he’s the scum of the earth and should be banished to Frigia (Flash Gordon reference), you weren’t going to see remorse in anything he said. You don’t have to justify it by saying, “He wasn’t remorseful.” You wouldn’t think he was remorseful if he cut off his throwing hand and sat in the bottom of a Port-O-John. Nothing is going to change your mind — and that again, is your prerogative.

But the road to recovery is something only Michael Vick can control and it’s not something we can control from the letters on our laptops — no matter how hard we want to infer our will, hatred and moral code onto the nearest message board.

Would you not let a bricklayer return to laying bricks after he was busted for dog fighting? Would you care?

He did some sick shit … but people would rather watch him rot than even attempt to make an effort, no matter how big or small, in trying to right the wrong he’s done. In the eyes of many, he’ll always be scum. Sure, I can’t disagree with that. He’s always going to be remembered for dog fighting, regardless if he wins a Super Bowl ring with the Iggles. I guess our society is more hell-bent on online hatred than second chances.

Atheists and non-believers can just skip over this next statement. The only one to judge us is the big man upstairs when our day comes. Sure, we can “judge” people and we do it every day, we all do, but I guess what I’ve been rambling on about is, in an nutshell, if you’re using your religious indignation to spew this type of venom, what are you really? Entitled to your opinion, but contradicting it in the process.

Those of you who express your displeasure without name-calling, without using religion as a false crutch for your hate speech and are simply going to hold true to what you believe because you simply disrespect and care not for Michael Vick, thank you. There are better ways to express your displeasure with someone’s actions than lowering yourself down to a sub-human level with words. What Michael Vick did could be considered sub-human by many, if not all people, the real “moral high road” here is how people can be dignified and approach their dissension about his re-entering the NFL and do it without the vulgar and hateful words.

Personally, I don’t think he should be allowed to play this year. How about spending this year (maybe more) doing all that humanitarian work to TRY to make good on righting his wrongs. That will never happen, because those poor murdered dogs won’t have the chance to live their lives. You can’t right those wrongs, but preventing it from happening and doing real work for the cause rather than attending training camp would make more sense to me.

Only then, he should resume his career. Not snuffing it out completely, but making him do some real work for the cause before getting back into the NFL.

Finally this …

Those of you who post comments saying: “I’m tired of hearing about Michael Vick.”

You know what I say to that?

I’m tired of hearing people who are tired of hearing about Michael Vick commenting about Michael Vick.


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CheezerAll-Star
98 days ago
Score 5+-
Good read BW.

Personally, I don't think he should be allowed to play. Period. The same sentiment goes for anyone else convicted of a crime. DUI, assault, manslaughter, dealing drugs, spousal abuse, etc. Doesn't matter. Playing sports at the professional level is a privilege, not a right. With the amount of money and favorable treatment that comes from being a professional athlete, the least these people can do is conduct themselves within the rules of society. One violation...gone.

If that complete lack of tolerance is understood up front, I expect the serious players will make the necessary adjustments to their lifestyles.

And yes, I have made many, many mistakes in my life. But last time I checked, little kids weren't pretending to be me in playgrounds all over the country. I don't have a multi-million dollar deal to play a game.

I don't hate Michael Vick. I dislike what he did. No more, no less. I have more hatred for the system that allows people to commit atrocious acts against society and somehow avoid serious punishment.

By the way, in the particular case of Michael Vick, he has had many chances.
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JuTMSY4Legend
98 days ago
Score 6+-
Really disagree Cheez. I don't think anyone (society) has a right to prevent someone else from paying their debt to society and preventing him/her from earning a living. If an NFL team doesn't want to welcome him back because of the PR fiasco or negative influence, that's fine. But, if an employer wishes to offer him employment, you don't have a right to deny either of them from taking part. In that way, it is a right and not a privilege. Lindsay Lohan can be employed , Britney Spears still sings, Robert Downey Jr is actually becoming incredibly successful, Rick Solomon and Ray J are actually revered and so on and so on...
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CheezerAll-Star
98 days ago
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That's what I meant JuT. By serving the court directed sentence, the perpetrator has served their debt to society. Hence the reason our society has the judicial system in the first place. I meant the above in an "if I were commissioner" way.

Sorry for the confusion. I realize I should have been much clearer.

On a completely separate note, I think in many cases, the court directed punishments are to lenient. That reverence you speak of is another issue for another time.
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CheezerAll-Star
98 days ago
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dam! to -> too
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JuTMSY4Legend
98 days ago
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What if Vick were a top notch stock broker and you were the head of the SEC? He was known as a really effective truck driver (a stretch, I think) and you were the head of his state's DMV? To some extent, the commissioner is overstepping his bounds. But then again, there's this whole Anti-trust Issue that makes the NFL (and other leagues) "special" which really blurs the lines. If Vick player in the UFL...or a better example would be a 60s level successful AFL, how would you feel?
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
98 days ago
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If you didn't allow ex-cons to play football, then the USFL would compete with the NFL with all the talent that would have to be banned.


No tolerance policies are almost always a bad idea. The problems still proliferate. Then there are people who truly can rehabilitate themselves, who never do so because they never have a chance to do so. And if a guy has a 2 ounce bag of marijuana in his house, gets convicted for it, suddenly he can't play football anymore?


You can apply a rule that forbids murderers, rapists, sex offenders, and violent felons from ever playing again. But it might be better to simply decide things on a case by case basis. And when you start applying moral codes, it's always slippery slope.


But in the end, I have no problem with Vick's return. I don't watch football to see 22 great role models having fun playing a game. I probably wouldn't like 95% of my favorite athletes if I knew them in person. I watch them because they're good ATHLETES not necessarily good PEOPLE. Bill Belichick doesn't give sermons, he holds press conferences.


And the whole role model for children thing gets a bit overplayed. Maybe I'll change my tune when/if I have kids, but all those kids out there with #7 Falcons jerseys probably aren't terrorizing their puppies cuz "Mike Vick did it." You're always going to get anecdotal evidence of some kid copying something, but if they weren't copying Vick, they'd copy someone else in some destructive way. Destructive people are destructive by nature. The manner in which they're destructive is often imitative, but the actually destructiveness deep down is their own.
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PmoehrinVarsity
98 days ago
Score 3+-
I've kind of said this a few times before but I'm at the point where I think way too big of a deal is being made over this.

From a sports perspective I can understand this being a big story. You have arguably the most exciting player in the league coming back after spending over two years in prison.

But from a social impact, I really don't think it means anything. Whether or not Michael Vick plays football again It's going to have no impact on my life nor virtually anyone else's life for that matter either.

All it proves from a social standpoint is that we as a society put way too much emphasis on sport and entertainment figures when looking for direction on social issues.

Roger Goodell could do whatever he wants to with Michael Vick at this point and you will receive no complaint from me. It's a very complex issue, and it's not my call to make nor is it going to be, so I really don't care if Michael Vick plays or not.

Like most people I'm looking forward to seeing what he still has left in the tank if and when he takes the field, but if he never took another snap in the NFL again, I wouldn't be losing sleep over it.
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CheezerAll-Star
98 days ago
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"All it proves from a social standpoint is that we as a society put way too much emphasis on sport and entertainment figures when looking for direction on social issues. "

Exactly. Since that it the society we live in, you cannot ignore the social implications of how the situation is handled. Like it or not (I don't), our society places too much emphasis on athletes.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
98 days ago
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When you say things like:


"Playing sports at the professional level is a privilege, not a right. With the amount of money and favorable treatment that comes from being a professional athlete, the least these people can do is conduct themselves within the rules of society. One violation...gone."
"And yes, I have made many, many mistakes in my life. But last time I checked, little kids weren't pretending to be me in playgrounds all over the country. I don't have a multi-million dollar deal to play a game."

Aren't you putting athletes on a pedestal yourself. I will now refrain from stating what else is put on a pedestal.
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JuTMSY4Legend
98 days ago
Score 3+-
Extreme movie tie in in 5...4...3...


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CheezerAll-Star
98 days ago
Score 2+-
ST, every job is a privilege, some more than others. I didn't create the athlete pedestal, society did (paying them millions and wearing their jerseys, etc). I just call it out.

I will now end my portion of this discussion as I've already beat this horse repeatedly.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
98 days ago
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And that there is a generation gap. I don't know how much older you are than me, but you must be older. I have noticed my parents generation feels that every job is a priviledge as you say. My generation, not so much. We all watched our parents loyally work for their companies only to be forced to retire or just plain layed off. Gone are the days of "you should feel lucky to just have a job" So, I guess we will have to disagree here.
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JuTMSY4Legend
98 days ago
Score 4+-
Every job is a privilege that is dictated by the employer and subsequently the consumer. If you believe so strongly, don't buy the product...
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
98 days ago
Score 3+-
If the NFL wanted to purge all rosters of felons, that's their right. Athletics is one of the few well-paid jobs in this country that you can regain even after a conviction. Let's say you're an accountant, kill someone while driving drunk, what firm is going to hire you again? The entertainment industry is similar, as well. Vick, in a way, is lucky that he does what he does.


Society does put athletes on a pedestal, then sends them to the depths of hell when they prove to be mortal and flawed. But it's up to all of us as individuals to remember that athletes are human beings. It's human nature to idolize athletes, but if you just remember in the back of your mind that they're humans, and if you isolate what you worship them for (their athleticism) from the rest of them, and keep your worship to that area of their persona, all these sport controversies become meaningless to you.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
98 days ago
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And JuT just epitomized why capitalism is so wonderful.
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CrackajgDraft Pick
98 days ago
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I'm going to have to subscribe to the belief system that since Mr. Vick has served his time in prison, he should be free to roam about the country, occasionally tearing up a 60+ yard Wildcat formation-based TD's.
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SSreportersLegend
98 days ago
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Michael Vick is a solid running back.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
98 days ago
Score 3+-
The Wildcat formation will be the biggest flop in 2009.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
98 days ago
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It's funny how nobody brings up Joba Chamberlain's 9 months of probation and $400 fine for a DUI. Chamberlain's blood alcohol level was 0.134. Stallworth's was 0.12. But Nebraska highways have fewer pedestrians than Miami streets.
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JuTMSY4Legend
98 days ago
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Owen Schmitt, Leon Hall, Brandon Walker, David Macklin, Reggie Williams, Jamal Williams Vincent Jackson, Kareem MacKenzie, Jason Shirley, Matt McCoy, Lawyer Milloy, Tommy Kelly, Brandon Marshall, Ricardo Colcough...and that was just in the last year
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SSreportersLegend
98 days ago
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Owen Schmitt got arrested in Black Diamond. That's a notorious place for handing out speeding tickets (because he was speeding while drunk).
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PmoehrinVarsity
97 days ago
Score 1+-
Reading some of these comments this is what I mean by from a social standing it means nothing.

You can't relate what Michael Vick is going through to a normal person.

Michael Vick gets paid millions of dollars for playing a sport, and subsequently lives in a fantasy world. The NFL operates in fantasy land as well. There is almost nothing about Michael Vick or the NFL that says normal society.

Michael Vick just lives under a completely different set of rules and expectations then you and I do. That's why he's a bad example of how normal people should be treated in these types of situations.

How should the NFL handle Michael Vick, I don't know. I don't have an answer for this one, and I'm not going to act like I do.
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The oldest manVarsity
96 days ago
Score 0+-
Did he live in a fantasy world when he shot the dogs? This whole situation is a wait and see. So lets' just wait and see. I think he will be told things from the fans that he may not want to hear, but in the long run it is only his own faultl.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
87 days ago
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The fans pay hard earned money to watch the pros play football. Since the players are governed by the laws of the league as well as the legal system, that should be enough. Now, if the complaint is Michael Vick did something so horrific that he doesn't deserve to play in the league any more, that issue should be handled by the league. The only way to have your voice heard in this situation is to not purchase tickets to games he plays in. If this sounds too harsh, then shut up and let the guy play ball and let him live with what he did for all those years and let it be his problem. We can't have it both ways!
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Jay100Soccer Kid
83 days ago
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Can someone tell me how peta is making a difference by still terrorizing Mr.Vick? There are a lot more dogs out there fighting and the man has done his time try making a difference where it actually matters instead of standing outside of practice facilities.
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CheezerAll-Star
83 days ago
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Yeah. Not sure what PETA's doing. maybe since he is such a high profile offender, they are using him to try and send a message. Not really effective if you ask me
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