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The What "Ever"? Whatever... is it 2008 or 1988? A Peer Into Stiles' 20 Years' Kaleidoscope

by Manny Stiles
created September 04, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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I was reading through a book with some old Hunter S. Thompson letters from the late 80's. His career started with sports, followed a deluded path into the sport of politics and somehow came full circle with a column on ESPN.com's original Page 2 until his suicide three years ago. Damn, I miss him and perhaps that is the reason I began to combine two of my passions - sports and writing. HST was indeed a journalistic hero of mine, no doubt for the Gonzo approach to the sport of journalism as much as the Gonzo sport of life. Although he was more of a gambler - in sport, hobby and life - than I could dare dream to be, I find it eerie how much the World hasn't changed in 20-some years since those letters.


Even the reference points are the same - People were corrupt swine, the youth of America was being taught that sex equals death, the Cubs were setting their fans up for another failure, there was scandal and political unrest revolving around the Middle East, Joe Biden was in an uncomfortable limelight for something that occurred years previous, satellite companies and cable companies were fighting, a Bush was in the White House, the Vikings were quietly in trouble despite their high-profile running back, and drug arrests were rampant in the NBA.

The more things seem to change, the more we can say "here we are".

It's never changed, it's never been different; it's all here, all now. Sun up in the East - the News wires spring to life - Sun down in the West and the News wires stop until the next business day.

Sure we have blogs and access to more media. We've just dressed it up as delightfully oxymoronic - New AND Improved. It's still the same basic crap, the same human flaws magnified by the same human smugness - just more of it and now with the easy access of photoshop. Same "Now", different, glossier, MORE important packaging. It's a race to make whatever is the moment and crystallize it as "forever" - or at least as long as it can still turn a profit - and more of it!

Just like they did in the late 80's.


Look how far we've come in 20 years!
Look how far we've come in 20 years!

How are we better?

It is estimated there are currently more fantasy football teams in America than there will be tickets sold to all NFL games played this DECADE. There are NFL teams harboring salary cap space days before the new season begins even though it appears there will be no cap in the very near future - as in next year. For the first time since the cap was introduced, EVER.

There is an outrage over C.C. Sabathia not getting credit for a no-hitter, while the Angels' no-hits allowed performance against the Dodgers earlier this year passed by without a peep. The Angels would have had a "no-hitter" according to the rules that existed in the late 80's. But there are more hitless games than EVER before. And meanwhile, who ever stops to mention that no team in the Major Leagues has had a walk-off win on the road... EVER. Another reason why "walk-off" is just a stupidly over-used and useless term.

The most ironic development of this decade - particularly as it happens with sports - is that when something DOES deviate from the expected pattern and it does resonate on the "forever-ever" scale, it is relegated to dismissed, brushed-off or "let's pretend it isn't happening" status.

Take the Tampa Bay Rays for instance. They're doing something the "You Gotta Believe" '69 Mets did - perennial expansion scrubs to a Championship run - except with a more difficult path and 1/100th the believability and 1/10,000th the fan fare. The Rays are riding strong starting pitching, team defense and a solid bullpen as a team without a .300 hitter or 35 HR guy - similar the '88 Dodgers. People still believe the Rays will never be able to compete in the AL East - even as they are doing it handily, smarter and more fiscally wise.

Just a mere 4 years ago the Boston Red Sox were never going to beat the Yankees , let alone win a World Series. Yet many feel they are favored to win a third in 5 years??? Does the world REALLY change that fast and slow at the same time?

More important to the media however, is Brett Favre getting traded - just like another sport's all-time great, Wayne Gretzky did in 1988.

Or what about the impending end of the New York Yankees' unprecedented playoff run - which of course, was precedented by the Atlanta Braves slightly MORE historic playoff streak - remember them?

Instead we fawned over a guy who WAS EXPECTED to win 8 gold medals that actually did win the expected bounty. yet we prepare to dismiss Usain Bolt -who also saved his life's best performance for the right moment - or more assumedly cheated. Phelps was genetically predisposed to be an incredible swimmer we cheer, but a long-legged Jamaican dude must be cheating? When was Matt Biondi a heralded multi-medal winner and when was Ben Johnson a record breaker? Oh yeah... 20 years ago.

Twenty years ago, the NBA had a superstar in the making in a spectacular athlete named Michael Jordan except for one small thing - he couldn't win when it mattered - just like LeBron James.

Twenty years ago, MLB pitching was dominating hitting though just a year previous it was an offensive explosion - now we have a plethora of pitchers gunning for 20 wins and sub-3.00 ERAs in both leagues.

Twenty years ago, the Yankees weren't in the playoffs but the Mets were.

Twenty years ago, Pete Maravich died and nine months later Kevin Durant was born. Both amazing talents relegated to playing for franchises on the move.

Twenty Years ago, we were coming off an unlikely and heroic run by NCAA Men's basketball champs, Kansas University, the Lakers were in the NBA Finals, steroids were the big story in all sports, Pete Rose was banned from baseball, a young Pittsburgh Penguin was a Hart Trophy winner, Boxing was still without a true Heavyweight Champion and slowly dying as a sport and a horse won two but not all three legs of the Triple Crown. Eerie, isn't it?

And more importantly...

What about everything that "just" happened? It'll be buried by whatever the new Ever is tomorrow... even though it'll be the same exact "Ever" that happened 20-some years ago. Does it all need to be a ploy to push the now as "It" when there really are living, breathing sports fans that have seen "It" before?

I'm not saying the Past is better and nostalgia is unappreciated. I'm saying that Now is never more important than the Past or the Future. Sure, Now is all we really have, but why can't we just enjoy it without distorting its context? Why must Now be compared to Ever... ever?


Maybe that's why history repeats itself. Because no one seems to listen... Ever.




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CheezerAll-Star
480 days ago
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No G-O-A-T
This user recognizes greatness without comparisons.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
480 days ago
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I don't know, maybe I am missing something, but what is the harm with comparing today with the past?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
480 days ago
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There's no harm until you value one over the other. "Fresh" is only better when it comes to vegetables.

The problem is we've adapted Sports as a form of Entertainment in the same vein as Hollywood. (Do you think movies are better today? The box office says they are) It's a completely different animal. Hollywood is art imitating life while sports IS life.

The lines are blurred and the magnifying glass aims at whatever is in our collective consciousness - it's mass hypnosis at our expense for a profit.

20 years ago Public Enemy released a song called "Don't Believe the Hype"... and here we are spoonfed by the hype on a daily/hourly/minutely basis...

Compare today with the past all you want - the adjectives change, but the nouns all stay the same!
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Steel TownDraft Pick
480 days ago
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I still don't get it. How is appreciating Phelps more than say Owens harmful to anyone or thing? If what you are saying is that all to often such ratings are taken as fact, then yes I kinda see a problem with that. But, once again, what is the real harm?


I have to disagree, sports are entertainment.
Mass hypnosis at our expense for profit IS life. This goes way beyond sports.

I will gladly compare today with the past. That way, the past will always stay in the conversation. Years from now when everyone forgets Micheal Phelps, some swimmer will come by and win nine gold medals. The kids will be amazed and think the new comer is the best ever, while the pundits compare him/her to Phelps bringing him back into the collective consciousness all over again.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
480 days ago
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And the media and bigwigs will use Mr. 9 medals to diminish everything that came before.

Again, celebrate today all you want - make sure to spit on the past that made it possible in the first place on your way by.

Obviously, this whole article is about comparing the past with today - and clearly little has changed. Why must we act like everything is brand new when it's been here all along?

Sensationalism is wasted energy.
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CheezerAll-Star
480 days ago
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It's not the comparisons with the past that I dislike. It seems that there is a tendency today to assume that "X achievement" is the best ever. This is often done without considering the people that have come before.

At the same time, there are constant comparisons between modern athletes to the all-time greats. Why can't they both be recognized separately? Why must we strive to label everything? To create "one-above-all others" for everything?
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CheezerAll-Star
480 days ago
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Crap. I'm a lousy communicator.
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JuTMSY4Legend
480 days ago
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Do you think movies are better today? The box office says they are

False - The highest grossing movie of all-time is Titanic and The Dark Knight hasn't been able to hit its figure made over 10 years ago (with the aid of inflation), but utilizing a more accurate form of movie watching, the most tickets sold still falls to Star Wars which is arguably the most successful movie of all time

The other competitor for most successful movie? The Blair Witch Project which grossed just (just) 248 million but at a cost of $22,000 for the entire film is the most successful film per dollar spent ever...and by a wide margin at that

So no, the box office does not suggest movies are better
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
480 days ago
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What did Citizen Kane, North by Northwest or Casablanca do in the box office in comparison? MORE doesn't equal better. It's a Wonderful Life, The Maltese Falcon, Laurence of Arabia??? compared to say... Shrek 2, Pirates of the Carribean, Spiderman or even Finding Nemo??


And don't even get me started on Independence Day!

18 of the top 25 grossing films of all-time have been released since 2000. Adjusted for ticket price inflation and that number is ZERO. There's only 5 in the top 50!!!
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Steel TownDraft Pick
480 days ago
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Would you prefer I celebrate the Past and spit on today? And for that matter, who is spitting on the past. Phelps won 8 gold medals it WAS a record. It WAS the most ever in one olympics. How on earth is celebrating his accomplishments spitting on the past? So, when Mr. 9 Medals comes along I will compare him to Phelps. It doesn't do anything to diminish Phelps' accomplishments. It simply puts another hat in the ring. And, maybe it is a waste of time. But really, sports as a whole are a waste of time.
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JuTMSY4Legend
480 days ago
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More people wanting to see a movie doesn't make it better?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
480 days ago
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Does more people voting for a President make him more qualified?
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JuTMSY4Legend
480 days ago
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Only 535 people vote for the president...
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JuTMSY4Legend
480 days ago
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anyways, I agree with ST.

It just sounds like a case of sour grapes where the youth missed out on how great things were in the earlier times (dinosaurs and what not)

"Back in my day, yada yada yada"

People move forward and want to believe we're advancing. Even 75 years ago, if you polled Americans, they couldn't tell you what FDR looks like, now everyone can make their own mocking impression of dubya

People are accomplishing more. Only 3 football teams have ever gone undefeated in a season and only 1 has won so many as 18 in a row in a single season...an amazing accomplishment

8 gold medals...say what you will about more events or more advanced suits, training or what have you, but he still accomplished it. People do amazing things, people did amazing things, why's it so wrong for people to sit back in awe of what they've seen.

I never saw Jesse Owens run (most if not all of you haven't) but we've seen Usain Bolt or Michael Johnson (maybe not SSR ; - )), why can't they be the best ever?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
480 days ago
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It's not that at all, JuT.

I'm tired of hearing how great everything is now, when it's just the same as they've ALWAYS been. EVERY breaking story is the hugest news ever. Every new item is the best ever. This is the most important election ever, this is the best college football season ever, the Olympics were the best ever, blah blah, blah... just wait another four years and recycle the headlines.

This has nothing to do with glorifying the past OR the present. This has to do with enjoying everything for what it is - the same as it ever was... same as it ever was...

More doesn't equal better. More access, more familiarity, more popularity, more greenhouse gases, more money, - it doesn't change reality. It goes around, it comes around again.Like I said... the adjectives change but the nouns stay the same.

Weren't the '72 Dolphins undefeated (Including a Super Bowl)? Just like the '48 Cleveland Browns, the '29 Packers and the '22 and '23 Canton Bulldogs or the '20 Akron Pros?

Doing something for the first time usually just means you had the best opportunity to do so... man walking on the moon is mild compared to man's first steps.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
480 days ago
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Hold on... The important thing in this little conversation that was missed earlier...

""Fresh" is only better when it comes to vegetables."

Don't be daft! Fresh vegetables lose all their goodness, whereas frozen vegetables have all their goodness frozen in them. Frozen vegetables are more beneficial for you.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
480 days ago
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Alex... WHAT? Before you freeze those vegetables... what are they?
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
480 days ago
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They're vegetables. Grown in the Earth. That's what gives them their goodness. I'm all for frozen vegetables. Just as long as they're washed at some point. ;-)
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KelsdadAll-Star
480 days ago
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"Frozen vegetables are more beneficial for you." No, they're not. Well, maybe if you ate them still frozen.
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AmphibiousSportsDuoVarsity
480 days ago
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20 years ago the Dream Team had a Duke PF that had no business being on the team. This year, the Redeem Team had the same.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
480 days ago
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"The true lesson of history is that the 'lessons of history' are quickly forgotten."
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
480 days ago
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Thank you.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
480 days ago
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They are especially forgotten when no one is talking about them. Who would be talking about Spitz if it wasn't for Phelps? Would anyone be talking about Jim Brown anymore if not it a discussion of the best running backs ever? When having a best ever discussion, it's about the journey not the destination.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
480 days ago
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When having a best EVER discussion, it's best to wait for the rest of ever to occur, first...
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Steel TownDraft Pick
480 days ago
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Or...we could not be oblivious to the context of the situation and understand that "best ever" is simply the "best yet". You can pretend that whenever someone say "best ever" that they mean "best there ever will be". But, what is the point?...to tell someone that they didn't use enough context clues in their sentence?
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JuTMSY4Legend
480 days ago
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maybe it's just me, but I always considered "best ever" to be "best yet" in this context...I know what ever means, but we all know you can't predict the future, so I just take some liberties with it... same with GOAT...someone will be better than Jordan or Gretzky or me, but as of right now (all previous times?), they're tops
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CheezerAll-Star
480 days ago
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Manny is playing semantics games. "Best ever" is generally accepted as "best to date"
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
480 days ago
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I'm not even 1/16th Semantic!

Ever is ever and will be for ever.

Yet, in history, so far, to date, we've seen, we remember, etc...

BTW - there's a LOT of people who were never given the opportunity to display their talents. Perhaps a much faster swimmer than Michael Phelps lived in the days of the Roman Empire? Maybe a faster sprinter than Usain Bolt hunted on the Serengeti Plains during the times before white explorers dared to venture? There's so many things we don't, can't and never will know.

That's not the point of this article!@@@!!!

It's about appreciating NOW for what it really is - another revolution on the wheel of time. Today we are here and it will continue to turn until it comes around again. We should not be on the wheel running backwards while spitting into the wind!

Today doesn't need to be the greatest anything! Let's just enjoy what we have without having to cram it into some prepackaged, rehashed definition of ridiculous pomp and circumstance.


Enjoy what it is for what it is - let history sort the rest of the crap out. there's no need to tie things down with the definition of "Ever" or "Ever, so far" when the wheel will continue to roll right over yesterday's ever and replace it with tomorrow's without a second glance.


All I'm saying is - it's a ploy to drag us into the stupidity of needless grandeur. Let's not be so foolish!
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AmphibiousSportsDuoVarsity
480 days ago
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I agree Steel Town.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
480 days ago
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Citing Formula One, it's impossible to say who the best ever is. You could say that Michael Schumacher is because he was World Champion 7 times. However, there are many great drivers who won't be recognised. Juan Manuel Fangio was a 5 time World Champion, but he only started in his late 30s (not his fault, there was a war in the way). Alberto Ascari was twice champion, but he lost his life testing a sportscar at Monza. Jim Clark was twice champion, but lost his life in a Formula Two accident at Hockenheim. Ayrton Senna was three times champion but he lost his life at Imola in '94. Other great drivers never had the chance to become champion. Stirling Moss always prefered to drive British cars in the 50s, but when he ventured out of that zone, he was always in the same team as Fangio, which meant Moss had to support Fangio. Moss was runner-up four times, and third twice. If Fangio hadn't existed, he'd have been in the discussion.

Then you get drivers who made an impact in different ways. Without Jackie Stewart, a three time Champion, we'd still be having fatalities every season. Bruce McLaren was never champion, but the team he created, McLaren, has gone on to be a frontrunner in modern Formula One.

It's impossible to compare people in different eras, especially in a team scenario. It's possible in individual sports moreso, but still not convincing. However, the best way to settle a debate is to buy a game that allows you to have the best people against one another. None exist though.
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Davis21wylieMVP
480 days ago
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Okay, here's a question that cuts to the core of the debate: Do you think the total level of talent in "the field" has increased in recent years, stayed the same, or gotten worse? That goes for all sports, not just F1... Throw Johnny Weissmuller, in his prime, into the pool at Beijing and where does he finish? I mean, Manny himself once argued that Babe Ruth would be the equivalent of Jeromy Burnitz nowadays...

In other words, we can know who the best is now, but we can also guess about the best ever if we know how good now's competition is compared to that of the past.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
480 days ago
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Well, the cars are also much more reliable, lighter and faster. They're different beasts to drive altogether. The talent in F1 I think has gone up, purely because the best drivers are alive for longer, and it is also much more global. In 1950s F1 you'd maybe get the best drivers from Europe, Australia, and if you're lucky the USA. Nowadays, it's truly global. Okay 1/4 of the grid is German, but there is a lot of talent beyond F1 from all over the world that can be called up - if they're good enough. The pool of talent is bigger, so if you distribute the data using the normal distribution, then it's sensible to assume that there are more people at the end where the top quality lies. It's the same reason that China will always do well in the Olympics now they're geared towards it, their talent pool is 5 times the size of anybody elses bar India.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
480 days ago
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I stand by my words - and your ability to dig through your "favorites" =)
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KelsdadAll-Star
480 days ago
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Wasn't much of an argument, was it?

As a group, athletes today are bigger, faster and stronger. But so is the human race. But they're not necessarily better.

Take Tiger Woods, put him back in the '60's with shit equipment and cow pasture courses, would he dominate Nicklaus and Palmer like he dominates today?

Put a 30 year old Nicklaus today, is it safe to say Tiger may not be #1 in the world?

There's no way to know, and there's no way to argue yes or no definitively.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
480 days ago
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Yet we constantly have a wave of media onslaught refreshing "today's hot item" as the best thing ever, despite - as you atate - there is no way to definitively say so.

I want to blame ESPN - it's been over a year since "Who's Now", but that's the easy way out - it's permeated our entire society - especially cyberspace - to the point of nausea.

What's going to happen when this generation grows up with that slanted sense of everything that is occurring now cannot be topped - or worse yet, that tomorrow will continue to top whatever they do today??

Common sense will never be fashionable but at some point, society has to revert to the mean - and it will be "mean", disappointing and disillusioning to the numbed masses of the constant shock of hype.

All for the greasy buck.
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AmphibiousSportsDuoVarsity
480 days ago
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It wouldn't be hard to argue we've gotten to that "mean" point already. Magic Johnson admitted spending the night with six girls during the season, and yet Matt Leinart gets crucified for hitting a beer bong (Please save the Magic didn't suck comments). It's easier to be mean than to do statistical analysis. How many talking heads have we heard say, "I can't go to a game, just as a fan." When people lose the fire, but love the money/fame, they resort to lowest common denominator methods.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
480 days ago
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Cow pasture courses? You've never been around a British links' have you? ;-) Royal Porthcawl in Wales had to be moved to the other side of the road in the 1890s because cows kept roaming the fairways. As it happened the new course is regarded as one of the top 20 or so in the British Isles. Lahinch in Ireland has one hole where you tee off on the par 3, and aim over a 100ft high dune, onto a horizontal thin green. The far side of the green has another vast dune. It's dubbed the most unfair hole in golf (because you can't actually see the pin). GIR is easy enough though. On top of the dunes though, there are sheep everywhere. It's part of the diet over here...
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KelsdadAll-Star
480 days ago
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I don't blame ESPN as much as I blame Nike and Budweiser and Buick, etc.

Does anybody think anyone Tiger Woods knows, family, friends, neighbors, actually DRIVES a Buick? His housekeeper probably drives a Beemer.

A few years ago, my wife was in Madrid, on the way to their hotel their driver missed an exit, they ended up in some less than stellar neighborhood. Standing on the corner, barefoot, begging, was a little barefoot kid wearing a Jordan jersey. Notwithstanding, Michael Jordan himself could have walked up to the kid and dropped a couple hundred pesos in the cup, the kid wouldn't have known him from Adam.

But I bet he could tell you who the greatest <cough, cough> basketball player ever was?
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AmphibiousSportsDuoVarsity
480 days ago
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"But I bet he could tell you who the greatest <cough, cough> basketball player ever was?" Dem's fightin' words!
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Mechamania boyVarsity
478 days ago
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Yeah, and holy non-sequiturs, Batman.

Jordan is the greatest of the greatest of ever.

That's my line, and I'm sticking to it.
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OriolesRavens852Pee Wee
478 days ago
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Hey manny good stuff! Long time no talk bro!
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