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The Pursuit of Happiness

by Matt Waters
created July 14, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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Ah, the paradoxes presented by capitalism.

 

Here we are, America, set for a ultimate debate regarding the true nature of our society, source material provided entirely by basketball. What kind of discourse could crystallize us so clearly? Is it David Stern’s secret obsession with prestige fashion? Unfortunately not, though the commissioner is a key player in the correct answer. No, this article will attempt to analyze an issue affecting far more lives than a dress code ever could… or should.

 

It starts with an age old dilemma, presented by New York’s finest teenaged dirt-bags since 1984, who like me, would inevitably attempt to buy a six pack with fraudulent identification certifying a phony age, above 21, of course [Of course]. Upon rejection by an eternally avenging cashier, a question would be broached, later dissected group style under the dim light of an empty park, striking at the heart of democracy, analyzing the merits of a system that allowed us, at a certain age, to be hypothetically drafted into a war, yet still restricted the purchase of tasty alcoholic beverages. Upon proclamation that a man is of age to hurl grenades, he should, in turn, be within legal right to hurl a righteous batch of vomit after one too many Budweiser’s.  According to some obscure document at my local library, Americans are free to pursue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, without hindrance or interference from external entities, massive sports conglomerates, for instance.

 

It’s a real treat when systems are thrown into chaos. When Kevin Garnett challenged iron-plated perception, entering the NBA Draft without attending college, he was impossibly burdened before even playing a professional minute.  In flaming out, he would preserve status quo, in succeeding, he’d be a historic exception disproving a rule, nary a space between. Garnett’s landmark course presented an intriguing challenge for the sports media at large. Would they cover him as an individual, or a freak, a quirk in the system, an occurrence of De Ja Vu in the Matrix? As hordes often do when facing an issue containing any complexity whatsoever, talking heads and torch-wielding columnists miscalculated in spectacular fashion, failing to recognize the real role of Kevin Garnett, for he represented the first step in a natural progression. Garnett was a true capitalist; bypassing an education he no longer needed, in accordance with a system he played exquisitely.

 

The doubters refused to see the simple logic, however, clinging to institutional beliefs in lieu of actually challenging their imbedded thought processes. They searched for a form of validation that would justify their indignation, and found it in education, a reliable standby. Mourning the loss of values, for it suited their opinions, more than a few writers bemoaned Garnett’s decision as a sign of lost times, money truly possessing imminent domain over a country now held hostage.

 

Massive media spectacles are often just a reflection of our own blindness. The Balco scandal crawled under America’s skin, for it provided a perfect metaphor for the spirit of endless excess defining modern times. Garnett’s case was no different. He was accused of taking a shortcut, his own personal concerns shoved aside in favor of a mass attack of conscience.

 

It ultimately amounts to that all mighty aforementioned nultimate debate. What really counts in this country? Do we value education as a means for achieving financial success, or do we value financial success as the ultimate end, a great equalizer?

 

It seems not to matter, the road we tread toward that pot of gold. Wealthy “Celebrities” matter in America, loved and loathed in equal measure. This is a country absolutely obsessed with the result instead of the process. Talent and admiration are often distinctly out of proportion. Does anyone have anything to say? There used to be rebels. What qualifies now? Are zombie rappers, popping champagne and waving money in a music video, the best we can do for subversive sentiment? This was, and remains, the stage. It may not have necessarily created Kevin Garnett, but indisputably played a role in what followed.

 

They came in droves, as the years trickled by, prospects with ambition for the game and little else. They desired money, obviously, immediate gratification, down payment for their potential. Subtle changes on the professional level were apparent to those with keen eyes, a farewell to fundamentals. It was inconceivable, the decisions of some, coerced by double talking agents, flat out used and abused, long shot picks who gambled and lost, undrafted, college cast aside, future left in doubt, bags packed for Europe, maybe. David Stern acted, emboldened by Maurice Clarrett’s failed NFL Draft challenge, imposing an age limit for his league, taking a dangerous choice out of the hands of countless kids. It harkened yet another philosophical inquiry, presented by booze, that everlasting beacon for enlightened conversation: What exactly qualifies one as an adult? As fundamentally hypocritical as alcoholic age restrictions may be, the enforcement undoubtedly saves lives. The law seems skeptical of ones maturity at 18, draft regulations not withstanding. NBA prospects, eager to drink from the intoxicating cup of athletic kings, may similarly lack the proper perspective to handle this dizzying freedom. If the world were fair, these situations would be handled on a personal basis, case by case. But, as usual, the right way presents a path of infeasibility. Blanket statements are necessary. And in the case of the NBA age limit, the complaints wouldn’t last, for, everyone, by and large, would be satisfied.

 

College powerhouses had a deeper talent pool to pick from, seedy university boosters fresh minds to bride, fans an improved product to watch. Journalists would have easier stories to write, no longer actually having to defend a tough position, either way.

 

And the NBA would benefit, though not for obvious reasons. But it would be good for them, for High School stars would now captivate national audiences playing for schools instead of franchises, forming marketable personalities and generating commercial appeal. They’d arrive in the draft now, after only one year of seasoning most times, far more ready to dazzle and captivate. Everybody associated with basketball wins, that is, except for the players. Their pursuit of happiness was now compromised, though no one seemed to mind, because no one had to think, including them, an ironic fact, for a country that so ardently values education. Or at least claims to. Uh-huh.

 

The sweeping age ordainment by David Stern, bestowing priceless riches on college basketball; hasn’t yet made much of an impact on St. John’s University. For the highest profile basketball college in the metropolis, the Red Storm haven’t made much of a splash recruiting truly elite talent, for reasons which escape many, and infuriate others. Silent, defensive whispers vouching for St. John’s high moral fiber may have basis, but it certainly doesn’t excuse the school’s recent, disappointing recruiting record. Interesting cases, like Phil Wait, may provide intrigue, but a Lance Stephenson would equal instant credibility. Could St. John’s conjure the kind of sway it takes to lure that special brand of talent? We’ll see. The Stern mandate has forever changed college basketball. Now, the Jungle waits… and waits…. for it to change St. John’s.

 

 

[Article also be available on JohnnyJungle.com, the unofficial sixth man of St. John’s Basketball. Visit JohnnyJungle.com for all the latest news and analysis of St. John’s Basketball. Also features articles on the Red Storm by me, Matt Waters. JohnnyJungle.com! Visit sometime, especially if you’re a fan of Big East Basketball!]

 


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CheezerMajor Leaguer
355 days ago
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What is your point? I read everything you post here and I always find myself with the same question.

The pursuit of happiness is guaranteed without Government intrusion. Please don't confuse that with the behavior of a corporation (or a league in this case). Since I'm not an attorney, I wouldn't even know how to prove that the government is ever infringing on someone's pursuit of happiness.

That aside, the league isn't saying that the people can't play basketball, they're saying that they can't play basketball until certain minimum requirements are met. If you don't like it, take your skills somewhere else.

BTW, Garnett is not the first to forego college for the NBA.
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JuTMSY4Legend
355 days ago
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Perhaps Cheez, but one could argue that the anti-trust nature of the NBA supports his theory
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JuTMSY4Legend
355 days ago
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Ugh, seriously, the use of the thesaurus in this article makes it unbearable to read, and I only continued after the first 2 paragraphs in an effort to respond to cheezer's comments

Beyond that, while the idea and supporting concepts in the article are spectacular, the prose is draining for anyone attempting to read it...

Not to mention your hidden agenda politcal motives, that scream through the sentences...

I had an old english professor who used to say "Concise writing is good writing." Its fairly evident here that your language simply makes the article too taxing to read
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CheezerMajor Leaguer
355 days ago
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JuT, the word you seek, and I have used it before on this very site, is sesquipedalian.
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JuTMSY4Legend
355 days ago
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oh and sadly the SATs are so many years behind me now ; - )
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Steel TownDraft Pick
355 days ago
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I tend to agree with cheezer about not seeing his point, but I certainly didn't find the language unbearable. In fact, I enjoy all of his articles. They don't need to have an opinion. I think it is actually better for journalists to just tell a story and let the reader for their own opinion. Not everything has to be an editorial.
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JuTMSY4Legend
355 days ago
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every article has an opinion ST...every single one
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
355 days ago
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Even if it doesn't have an opinion, a piece of writing should have a point, a reason for existing. But I did think there were points in this piece, good points. But I also agree with JuT that the high diction (big words) was gaudy (over the top). I'm a proponent (fan) of big words, but it's important to find the best words in one's arsenal to get one's point across. Not necessarily the biggest or most intelligent sounding words.
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JuTMSY4Legend
355 days ago
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Thanks Rawb...that's what i was going for...
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KelsdadAll-Star
354 days ago
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show-off
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Matt WatersWaterboy
355 days ago
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I have a need to respond here to JumtMSY4: I have no political motives, besides criticizing a country I live in and love. I criticize certain aspects of this country only because I care about it very much, criticizing America is very much a part of being American, and I seriously, seriously wouldn’t trade that, or the other essential rights we enjoy, for anything in the world. This is my only motive. I criticize money not for the basic idea of it, but for how WE treat it. I really have to say, there are no insidious, political messages here, just a critique. I would have said this in the article, but I think it would have seemed disingenious for me to drop in with the occasional caveat saying I love America. It just would have been a chicken sh*t thing to do, I believe. As for your criticism of my writing, I have absolutely no problem with that at all, that's my style and it's too late to change. When I was editing it, it didn’t seem like a “taxing” read, but that’s just my opinion, and I agree with myself… I can't help that, of course. Thanks for your time.
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MegECass110AAA-er
355 days ago
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That's my style and it's too late to change. Really? For me, writing and style are constantly evolving. The same stuff over and over again gets boring. Personally, I like your writing (especially your last article on baseball), but it's never too late to change. Like another writer once told me, writing is like a journey with no destination.
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JuTMSY4Legend
355 days ago
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awesome...just my 2 cents... there are 2 types of bloggers, those who write for others and those who write for themselves...I'm fine with that...
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JuTMSY4Legend
355 days ago
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I will say I loathe people who simply criticize the country I live in...(not that this is you per se)

But i hear a lot of complaining about the economy or immigration or the war and what have you...

Problem is, there's significantly less people willing to point out solutions (and work towards them) than simply point out problems...
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MegECass110AAA-er
355 days ago
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Although the rest of what he said was rather idiotic, part of what former McCain adviser Phil Gramm said last week is pretty true, we are a nation of whiners. We need to be a nation of changers...there are a lot of them, but they are not nearly as recognized as they should be.
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SSreportersLegend
355 days ago
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I will say I loathe people who simply criticize the country I live in...(not that this is you per se)


So how does it feel to hate every country except Israel JuT? ;-)


You can't just assume that this place is borderline flawless.


That being said, you made a good point about people too interested in criticizing yet failing to come up with a solution.
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CheezerMajor Leaguer
355 days ago
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I like the writing as well. Like I said, I read everything you write. I also like the fact that you don't dumb down your vocabulary to cater to the lowest common denominator. I think that is genuinely how you write, unlike other writers who use large words to seem more intelligent. (I will give you a hard time about it though ;-) ) Just be prepared to lose readers.
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JuTMSY4Legend
355 days ago
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what part of "simply criticize" didn't you get?

Those people outside of the US don't get to vote much like I don't have the right to tell you how to live...

And for that matter, I wasn't talking about the French or the British or the Iranians...I was talking about Americans...

and hating someone and loathing them are entirely different...The french wag their fingers at us and tells us how dumb we are...yet the propose to solution to any of the world's issues, just simply complain that the "big bad US" should do something or stop it or what have you...

is America "borderline flawless" No and I've never said it was...but you poll any intelligent american and they'll tell you we've got it better on a per person basis than anywhere else in the world...

You don't like something in America? You can fix it
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SSreportersLegend
355 days ago
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Cheezer wins the internets.



Oh, Americans simply criticizing America? Sorry about that, thought you meant other countries.


you poll any intelligent american and they'll tell you we've got it better on a per person basis than anywhere else in the world...


What kind of per person basis? An intelligent gay person would disagree with you there, a 60 year old uninsured woman with breast cancer may disagree with you.


Many Americans can't stand the healthcare system, but what can they do about it?
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JuTMSY4Legend
355 days ago
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Actually, an intelligent gay person wouldn't disagree...there's more to life than gay marriage rights...

contrary to popular belief, the american healthcare system isn't as bad as someone like you might like to think...think Canada's got it better? hahaha

and what can americans do? Its called voting...

As far as the uninsured woman...those WHO rankings thrive on equality...fact of the matter is, healthcare in the US is unevenly distributed by on par signficantly better than most other countries...
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JuTMSY4Legend
355 days ago
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and speaking as the true conservative I consider myself...I don't understand the big deal about gay marriage...

On one hand...I just honestly don't care if gay people get married...it just doesn't really affect me, so marry away (there's a children caveat I just haven;t thought about though)

On the other, it really has little impact on daily lives...i mean a few tax laws here and what not...but that's about it...I'm waiting till it collides with federal law, which'll effect some of my job...heh
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SSreportersLegend
355 days ago
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Cheaper meds, public funding, the only knock I have on them is the doctor shortage (explaining the waiting time in SOME Cases, not all) but they are much better.


The US is the only "wealthy country" so to speak not to have a universal healthcare system, and in a country like this, it doesn't make sense.


Private companies don't run Canada's system, the US has private ones like you wouldn't believe.
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SSreportersLegend
355 days ago
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Frankie Boyle (Scottish comedian) said it best:


"I don't mind if gay men have kids, they already know where the best parks are, and they know how to put talcum powder on a sore bottom."
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JuTMSY4Legend
354 days ago
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you know the guy you're arguing with works for an insurance company right?
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KelsdadAll-Star
354 days ago
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Or in Manny's case, a destination to no where.
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JuTMSY4Legend
354 days ago
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but the fact of the matter is...those cases where healthcare takes a while aren't rare...the average time until treatment time for a man w/ prostate cancer in Cananda is 2 years...(2 years!)...

Free market systems stimulate innovation and promote forward movement and by creating a gov't beaurocracy you're eliminating jobs, eliminating quality of life and creating an even larger burden on middle class americans...

You know what the scandanavian countries pay in taxes? 70+ %...less than 4% of my pay goes towards healthcare right now...my dad (almost 50) pays something like 7%...add that to income tax totals and you're looking at roughly 35%...still half that of any country with a significant beaucracy of healthcare...

You want inequity...tell that to the people who worked their asses off to only get paid 30% of their salary...
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Taytay 24All-American
354 days ago
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That is easy to say, JuT, when you have a comfortable lifestyle and are healthy. America's health care system is fine for people like you. But what if someone has a health issue? Or what if they aren't paid as well as you? What America offers in health care doesn't work so well for them.


I can't speak for Canada, as I have never been, but we have universal medicine here in Australia. Like you, I am healthy and have a decent job (actually better--teachers get paid more here!), but I am more than happy to pay into the medicare system because it improves the quality of life for all Australians, not just those that can afford decent insurance. And the few times I have had to see a doctor, my experience has been much better than similar situations when I was in the US.
My parents would agree with you. They tell me all the typical arguments:
Them: I want to see whatever doctor I choose. Me: I do see my choice of doctor. It is your insurance company that restricts your choice.
Them: I don't want the government telling me I can't get a procedure done when I am older. Me: You would rather your insurance company, who is concerned only with their bottom line, to make that choice? (Besides, you already are older!) Right before we left the US, my wife had a kidney stone removed, which insurance refused to pay for, citing a pre-existing condition. It is true that she had had one years earlier. It is also true that separate incidents of a kidney stone are not at all related. They just didn't want to pay. Why am I paying for insurance if it isn't there when I need it?
Them: You have to wait for procedures or even to see a doctor. Me: Actually, I have never had to wait. If I have a 2:00 appt, I am with the doctor at 2:00. In the US, it would have been 2:45, if I was lucky.
Everything that the US government and insurance companies says about universal medicine is a lie. They are trying to perpetuate a system that favors only themselves, and America is buying it hook, line and sinker. Universal medicine is far superior--I've lived both.


In the US, we have universal education, universal police and fire departments, universal waste disposal, even universal post delivery. Why is America opposed to universal health care?
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JuTMSY4Legend
354 days ago
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because all those universal systems are terrible...

Universal education has proven to...well not be so universal

Universal Fire and Police don't really exist...they exist in municipalities and even then only because the cost of actually make it a business is impossible (and there's historical context)...Universal Post is also an impossible business...its like flood insurance or public transportation, impossible to run a business without signficant increases in cost (would you may 3 bucks to mail a letter?)...they all run at losses

As far as socialized medicine...if all costs, expenses and profits are controlled, then why try to get better?

Beyond that...what's next because the government controls healthcare...I can't eat doritos? I can't sky dive? I can't take a single risk because all tax payers have a vested interest in my health?

And how long till the system is corrupt?

What's next...I mean, everyone has the right to life right? How about universal food? How about universal clothing...Universal Housing?

Someone get me a Mao Suit...I feel like Ray Bradbury...
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JuTMSY4Legend
354 days ago
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More facts: There are almost 47 million people who are uninsured in this country...almost 10 million of those wouldn't get healthcare under the universal system (because they're illegal aliens)...

more than 8 million uninsured Americans make more than $75,000 and another 8 million make between $50,000 and $75,000...and they can't afford it?

So in reality perhap 20 million are uninsured and make less than $50,000 and of those 12 million qualify for government programs (for example, the state I live in Mass, requires them to sign up...ugh)

Moreover almost half of those remaining 8 million that make less than 50k and don't qualify for healthcare aid will be insured in 4 months or less...

leaving 1.5% of americans without insurance...

Optionally, Senator Clinton can garnish your wages...
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Taytay 24All-American
354 days ago
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What's wrong with universal education? It was good enough for me. Sure, private is available if you want to pay for it, but public ed is there for the majority. And what do you mean there is no such thing as universal police/fire? Who was it that gave me that ticket then? Not viable as a business? So what? Point is that it is a service provided by the government. I don't care that it would not be a viable business--that is totally irrelevant.


Last I checked, my doctor wasn't innovating anything--that's not his job. But he does need to be good at what he does--taking care of me when I have to see him--or I'll go to someone else, and he doesn't get paid. The only difference is whose name is on the check--instead of Screw You Insurance Co, it is the Commonwealth of Australia.
I know you didn't bring up corruption in the system--pot, meet kettle.
I eat doritos. I could sky dive if I so choose. Medicare doesn't limit those activities. But American insurance companies sometimes do. Thanks, I forgot to mention that in my earlier comment.
Any finally, you mentioned universal clothing, food and housing. You know there is already a system that provides those, or at least offsets the costs, in the US for those in need, right?


As for your additional facts: for me, it isn't about the uninsured. As I implied earlier, it is about people who have insurance that does nothing for them. I paid way too much for insurance for years that didn't do squat for me. At least with universal health care, I get something for my money.
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KelsdadAll-Star
354 days ago
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To the douchebag who minused my comment on Manny's writing...you obviously don't understand his writing OR my comment, because it was a compliment.
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JuTMSY4Legend
354 days ago
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because universal education isn't so universal...

I don't mean to sound like the punk rich white kid...but my high school was a heckuva lot better than some of the more inner-city ones...

You want to solve the world's problems? Liberal or Conservative...fix the education system first

Its not even that hard...pay teachers more, cut class sizes allow some free reign over education...it really doesn't need to be universal, but it needs to be good...

You do that and universal healthcare's a non-issue...

and my universal "things" comment was really just a joke about the move towards socialism...didn't the germans have universal programs too?....you know in like the 1930s?
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KelsdadAll-Star
354 days ago
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"More facts: There are almost 47 million people who are uninsured in this country...almost 10 million of those wouldn't get healthcare under the universal system (because they're illegal aliens)..."

This is the single largest financial burden on the US in general, and on us as individuals. If you are in Mexico and become ill, (and who doesn't), you need to PAY before you are treated. They don't care if you have the squirts because of drinking the water or are bleeding to death, they'll leave your ass on the sidewalk unless you come up with the money.

In the states, you are automatically a citizen if you are BORN here. Two hundred years ago, that rule made sense, if a settler became pregnant, it would take four months for the boat to get back to England, it made feasible sense then to let everyone stay. The rule needs to be abolished, immediately. And it's not people coming here with honorable intentions taking advantage of our countless loopholes in the system, it's the bottom feeders of their society.

Eliminate the handouts and the freebies, you'll eliminate the need for unecessary expenditures. You want to be a citizen of this country, prove your worth. Get a social security number. Pay taxes, go to school, get a legitimate job, stay out of Western Union, get a bank account.

People who make 50K CAN afford healthcare, they choose not to have it. It's cheaper for them to write a two thousand dollar check every once in awhile than to pay a couple hundred dollars a month for nothing, which is what you're doing if you never get sick.

Insurance companies are all thieves, and until the industry is changed, or at least regulated, nothing will change.
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JuTMSY4Legend
354 days ago
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the insurance industry is one of the most heavily regulated industries in the country...
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KelsdadAll-Star
354 days ago
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..and yet the most corrupt, what does that tell you?
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JuTMSY4Legend
354 days ago
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without getting into too much detail (because it would be unethical)...as someone who deals with regulators, the insurance companies (at least the ones i've dealt with) aren't as sneaky, underhanded or dispicable as you suggest...in fact, they're more prone to do the right thing than you think...
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Taytay 24All-American
354 days ago
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Surely you know I'm all for education reform, and not some No Child Left Behind crap that is designed to fail to justify school vouchers in the future. Universal X doesn't mean that there isn't a private alternative. Even with public medicare, there is private insurance available in Australia, just like there are private schools alongside public. As for your school being better than the inner city ones--my suburb public school was also better. That's a function of the tax base, and why some are in favor of "Robin Hood" systems in public education, and why they are usually opposed in the wealthier districts. All of your suggestions for improving public education will require funding. I'm all for it, but whenever a bond election has come up in places I've lived, it gets voted down every time. We're teachers, not miracle workers.
And please don't insult us (or maybe just me) with the Nazi reference. I think we all know that their issue was genocide, not universal health care.
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JuTMSY4Legend
354 days ago
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I'm not insulting anyone...The germans followed more because of universal well being than genocide... If you were working paycheck to paycheck (which happened 3 times a day because of hyperinflation) you'd be in favor of it too...
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Steel TownDraft Pick
354 days ago
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"Everything that the US government and insurance companies says about universal medicine is a lie. They are trying to perpetuate a system that favors only themselves, and America is buying it hook, line and sinker."


Absolutely true.
JuT, find a source for your 70% taxes in scandanavia. I researched this several months ago when arguing with a friend. Denmark, which has the highest taxes, was a 58%. The average for Europe was about 45%. Keep in mind they don't have state or local taxes. Now, take your 35% add in the cost of health care, your state taxes and your local taxes. Is your number now near 45% of your salary?
JuT, do you truly believe that the US is the only nation where medical innovation comes from? Brittain, France, Germany, all have some form of universal health care. Do you think they aren't on the cutting edge of medical innovation, considering their longer life expectancy than that of the US?

We already pay for those who don't have health care. They go to emergency rooms where the cost is even higher. Who pays? Well, the uninsured can't, so the hospital eats the cost and then passes it on to your insurance provider who conveniently passes it on to us the end user. YOU CAN NOT VOTE WITH YOUR FEET CONCERNING HEALTH CARE. The free market is not fixing the problems with our current healthcare system, it is perpetuating them. Since we are already paying for an imperfect system why don't we pay for an imperfect system that helps everyone all the time? You need to actually talk to some people who have universal health care. Ask them how they feel about, they don't ever seem to tell me about long waits or old technology. My experience when I got sick in Europe was fantastic. I am a conservative like you, and my wife works for one of the largest insurance providers in the nation, but our current system fails too many people. And I second everything TayTay said about public education.
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Taytay 24All-American
354 days ago
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What I mean is that attaching universal X to the Nazis is a bit misleading, no? "Oh, well if the Nazis did it..."
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KelsdadAll-Star
354 days ago
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I tend to side with Taytay's comments, especially with his wife's condition. I'm going to try and find a sports related conversation now.
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JuTMSY4Legend
354 days ago
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Perhaps Mao was a better analogy? I apologize Tay...

Denmark's highest rate (for top earners) is 68%...

and the highest us federal rate is 35% (anything above roughly $350,000)...most americans are somewhere between 15 and 25%...add in roughly 6% for state...and local for its roughly 1 or 2%...so there's 32% at most (i currently pay 0 local in Mass)

You're numbers are a little of ST...
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Taytay 24All-American
354 days ago
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Not sure Mao is better, but I'm letting it slide. It isn't a personal insult, just a misdirection of an argument. Like saying breathing is bad because Nazis did that, too.
Anyway, I think Kelsdad's got the right idea. I'm off to bed (it's 2 in the morning!), but I'll get you started if someone will put this in the locker room: Josh Hamilton: discuss.
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JuTMSY4Legend
354 days ago
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fair enough...probably enough bantering about pseudo-policies that won't take effect for a signficantly long time...
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SSreportersLegend
354 days ago
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JuT, you pay that much in taxes but look at the benefits you get in return, have you seen the University prices in Canada or Denmark or France?


Have you seen the mass transit systems in Europe? It would blow us out of the water! And frankly I think mass transit as a whole country blows.


As far as education, I dunno, England has a national education system and they don't complain about teacher pay or anything and yet they are so smart (don't let David Beckham give you any suspicions).
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JuTMSY4Legend
354 days ago
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Before you continue SSR...try paying taxes

Don't even bother with mass transit...

Only the uneducated think the europeans have it better...America is roughly the size of europe and was culturally built on cars and gasoline...ever been to New York or even Boston...the mass transit systems are actually quite good...only on the west coast, which was really built up during the advent of cars, is there an issue...

How's the european highway system?

In America...anyone can go to college...Sallie Mae takes any risk and you basically can't default on the loan. In europe you pay into a system you may or may not use...

Look, it needs some fixing (i've got my own burdening debt), but speaking as someone who carries it, we've still got it better...

Take at look at any ranking of the top universities in the world...according to that list the US has the top 2, 6 of the top 10, 14 of the top 25 and no other country besides the UK shows up until 12...

Maryland, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rochester, Cal-Davis...these aren't even the gold standard of US schools (still good schools) and yet their amongst the best in the world...
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SSreportersLegend
354 days ago
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What part of "as a whole country" did you miss? New York and Boston have wicked transit systems, everywhere else sadly, is awful. In Europe you can get from one country to another using a friggin light rail train for dirt money.


Vancouver has the world's largest rail transit system with the SkyTrain, which is nearly 50 KM long (a little over 30 miles), the Calgary CTrain is also a big one.


The European highway system isn't great, but on the other hand, they don't depend on cars like we do. If they want to go on a train to work instead of a Mercedes they'll do it, totally different here.


Gas prices are murder in Europe yet they (and by they I mean the public, not the taxi drivers) don't complain nearly as much as they do here. Even with the complaining have you looked at the freeways, SUV city!


Hold on, I'm talking about cost of University, to get into McMasters University (the Canadian equivalent to Harvard I guess), is some where around $6,000 US per year (and then room and board which can vary).


Their private universities have cheaper costs than the public ones here.


And if we have the best colleges (which frankly, I think we do), how come no one can find their own country on a map?
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JuTMSY4Legend
354 days ago
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Because America's bigger than than any country in europe...

The US is about 225 years old...its birth coincides closely with the birth of railroads and then cars...this nation was built on the car...

There is no light rail that runs cross country...could you imagine the stops? It'd take years to get across a border

Your canadian citations suffer from the same concept...they're in cities which are part of massive countries...

Yes, Europeans don't depend in cars...and Americans don't depend on public trains...If I want to take the train to work (which I do) then i can...drive? Yep that too...

Even so, I work with people that commute from Providence to Boston (50 mile drive) via the train...its jsut not that uncommon...

America was built on sprawl, so don't be stunned by driving...this country was built that way, why is anyone surprised when all of the sudden everyone lives in suburbia and driving becomes expensive...

European gas prices are bad because they make them bad...ridiculous taxes

As far as the cost of universities...like i said, anyone can finance the costs...its sensationalist news media that portrays it as unbearable...and if Americans were so dumb, then why do we/they have the best universities?

The canadian equivilent to Harvard is...well...nothing...there isn't one, because they come to Harvard instead...

Plus many students have scholarships (speaking as a former one myself) which partially or entirely cover the cost...

And if (in theory) Harvard costs $150,000 (assuming 40k a year and roughly 30k in interest over the life of the loan), what's the cost over your wages for a lifetime?
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JuTMSY4Legend
354 days ago
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and for the record, I'm plussing you...I'll plus any good counterpoint (or attempt)...even if you are wrong ; - )
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SSreportersLegend
354 days ago
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I forgot to mention Canada has a highway that spans from one end of the country to another.


Europeans as I said don't rely on the car, that's why they can rape them with those prices, it really doesn't matter.


Plus, as far as cars go, it's really stupid to me to find an inordinate amount of SUVs on the freeway (especially since there are sometimes no more than 2 people in there) slurping up the gas.


When gas in Europe went up to $8 per gallon, most stopped driving and used the train even though it was car distance.


When gas in the US hits $8 (sure, why not? That could very well be the peak and then the back is broken) people will still be driving, causing traffic and all.


I think you mean Americans are. ;-)


I guess the situation is for the most part it's clear that the elementary to high school level is absolutely pathetic so that's another factor.
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CheezerMajor Leaguer
354 days ago
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SSR, How do you know the transportation habits of Europeans and when they changed? What part of Europe are you referring to? The Europeans I know drive to work because of the poor mass transit. Just like the Canadians I know and the Americans I know.
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JuTMSY4Legend
354 days ago
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American's had that for years (its called the interstate...built in the 50s)

Sure people drive SUVs and what not and its 1 or 2 people...that's their choice isn't it?

As far as 8 dollar gas? Forget it...once world demand is pushed it'll wane and we'll probably see a consistent 5 dollar price...

Americans aren't dumb...

and to describe grammar school/secondary education as "pathetic" is in poor taste...its got issues, but speaking as a public school grad, you're off the mark...

"Pathetic?" No...unequal? Sure. Fixable? Entirely
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CheezerMajor Leaguer
354 days ago
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"I guess the situation is for the most part it's clear that the elementary to high school level is absolutely pathetic so that's another factor."

That mouthful of a sentence is pretty damning evidence about the state of public education in America today.  :-)
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KelsdadAll-Star
354 days ago
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The US has two highways that stretch across the country. One east to west, the other, north and south.
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SSreportersLegend
354 days ago
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Most of Europe (but a heavy emphasis on France, Spain, England, etc.) Cheez, has a great mass transit system.


Here, we have Boston, New York, San Fran and that's about it.
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JuTMSY4Legend
354 days ago
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You're right cheez...and large european cities have great public transportation...much like large (older) US cities...

But if you were building a city in the mid 19th and early to mid 20th century and gas/oil costs were so low, why wouldn't you build it for cars...oil supplies seemed impeccable and the costs were less than that of public equivilences...nevermind creature comforts...

Ever ride a train every day SSR? Its not exactly my favorite part of the day
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JuTMSY4Legend
354 days ago
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New York, Boston, San Fran... Chicago, Philly, Washington, Balitmore, Portland, San Diego, St. Louis, Denver
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SSreportersLegend
354 days ago
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@ Cheez, u makin funn of mi grammer?


@ JuT, I agree Americans aren't dumb, well...um...


Stop reading the CIA almanac and look around you.
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KelsdadAll-Star
353 days ago
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And then there's Phoenix, the fifth largest city in America on population, and the largest in square miles. Yet, we have no rail system. (It's being built, but years before it is completed and fully operational). Bus routes run 24 hours in some areas, other areas have high population growth, yet no bus service. Driving here isn't necessarily our only choice, but it's our best option.
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Taytay 24All-American
353 days ago
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You don't like the train, Jut? I take the train to work every day and quite enjoy zoning out and not having to worry about traffic, fuel consumption, etc. I'm not looking forward to the the day I move and have to buy a car again.
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JuTMSY4Legend
353 days ago
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I've done it for the past 3 years...keep in mind, I take the subway (T) not a commuter rail...

For 60 bucks a month, I can't really complain, but I can't "zone out" like you, since I connect at 2 other stations. But compared to traffic, its not so bad...

Still, the times you're in a hot station w/ no AC and get into a car with a broken AC/fan, its downright terrible
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JuTMSY4Legend
353 days ago
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and the people with no etiquette while riding the train...they're the worst part (i.e. the assholes who sit down while pregnant and/or old folks stand/get run over...its one thing to be equal, its another to have some understanding)
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Taytay 24All-American
353 days ago
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Sixty bucks, huh? I pay $35 a week and think that is a bit steep--but it has gone up $3 over the last three years.


My train is very rarely air conditioned--they save those for the lines coming/going from wealthier suburbs--I live in the city, but my school isn't in the best part of town. And I hear you on inconsiderate people. Lately, I've been patrol duty for graffiti--unfortunately, it is usually a kid from my school.


Good part, for me at least, is that since I'm going against most other commuters who are coming into the city in the morning and leaving in the afternoon, I always get a seat. There is rarely more than three other people in my carriage. And it sure beats driving.
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JuTMSY4Legend
353 days ago
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always a packed house for me, I go cross-town...though I'm moving in september, so my commute should get better... Actually, I'm moving to DNL's old neck of the woods...
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Taytay 24All-American
353 days ago
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DNL? The name seems familiar, but I can't quite place it...
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SSreportersLegend
355 days ago
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I'd never thought I say this, but I actually agree with some of this.


It seems not to matter, the road we tread toward that pot of gold. Wealthy “Celebrities” matter in America, loved and loathed in equal measure. This is a country absolutely obsessed with the result instead of the process. Talent and admiration are often distinctly out of proportion. Does anyone have anything to say? There used to be rebels. What qualifies now? Are zombie rappers, popping champagne and waving money in a music video, the best we can do for subversive sentiment? This was, and remains, the stage. It may not have necessarily created Kevin Garnett, but indisputably played a role in what followed.


Bingo, it's about the money you can make, and the ads plastered everywhere because people will get curious (AKA follow) and look at the main attraction.


Now, like Cheez said, if you made a point then we can talk.
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Matt WatersWaterboy
355 days ago
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Meg: I’m sorry but I must disagree. When it comes to my sports stuff, it took a very long time to hone this technique to the point where I could apply it to everything: satire, serious stuff, etc… the tone of my articles will change [Sure, I’ve tried to be funny, here or there, probably didn’t succeed very much heh, heh] but I can’t just up and write like someone else for the sake of changing up. I mean, asking someone to change a style is a tough thing to do. It’s something I keep an open mind about, but just doesn’t seem like a logical thing to do at this point.

Also, people are right to point out there is no real over riding “OPINION” in this article. It’s just an overview, basically, with my thoughts sprinkled in. One is certainly entitled to have a problem with this decision on my part.

By the way, one of the great complainers of all time in your avatar there, SSreporters. There was a true patriot, in my mind. Don't give up on me, man... I'll take a real stance on something one of these days... lol.
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JuTMSY4Legend
355 days ago
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I will say I appreciate your ability to take criticism (though I wish you'd be more open-minded)...some people take great offense to it, but I'm glad you look at it as what it was: "Constructive Criticism" Thanks ; - )
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SSreportersLegend
355 days ago
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Thanks for the props on the avatar.


"Have you ever watched golf on TV? It's like watching flies fack!"
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MegECass110AAA-er
355 days ago
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I wasn't trying to say a change in style is something that's forced. In my experience, it's more of a spontaneous progression towards better writing. I don't want you to change your style and I didn't ask you to, because that would be straying from who you are as a writer. Personally, I feel like there's a danger in putting yourself in a box and saying, "I have to write this way, and this is what it has to sound like." I know I've changed as a person in the past few months, and my writing, I think, subconsciously reflects that.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
355 days ago
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I like theses, so this article was slightly frustrating (I kept expecting a thesis and never got one), but now that I'm familiar with you're writing, I won't be expecting one, and therefore won't be frustrated in the future.

However, I don't think Meg was suggesting you alter your style for her sake or for anyone else's sake. But, it is vital to know one's audience, and to take that into consideration when writing.

Stubbornness is one of the biggest threats to a writer.
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KelsdadAll-Star
354 days ago
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I thought ALL writers were stubborn?
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
355 days ago
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Penultimate (adj.): Next to last If this is the second to last debate regarding the true nature of our society, what will be the last (ultimate) debate?
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Matt WatersWaterboy
354 days ago
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Meg: That's true. I'm not inflexible, I'm just trying to say I'm comfortable where I am right now, and switching at this point could make my writing suffer.

Rawbeezeitz: THAT WORD DOESN'T MEAN WHAT I THOUGHT I MEANT. Go ahead and fix it if you please. I would myself, but honestly don't know how to edit articles at this site. I try editing the article, and it just takes to me a title page.

Or, MAYBE, MAYBE, I was referring to some other debate besides THIS debate... naw, nope. I just screwed up. It happens, even to a sesquipedalian such as myself.
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MegECass110AAA-er
354 days ago
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You are in a good place, and it's clear that you're passionate about you're writing. Keep up the good work.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
354 days ago
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Fixed. I didn't know if you wanted it to be penultimate, referring to the ultimate battle between Good and Evil at the end of the world.
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Matt WatersWaterboy
354 days ago
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Thanks. Ultimate is a better choice.
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CheezerMajor Leaguer
354 days ago
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So you do use large words to seem more intelligent.
-))
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KelsdadAll-Star
354 days ago
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You all are missing the whole point of Matt's supposed "deficiency."

It's not that his article is poorly grammared, it's not the underlying political undertones...

its that he roots for the St. John's Red can't make up their facking minds Storm.

Template:Connecticut Huskies Fan
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KelsdadAll-Star
354 days ago
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Template:UCONN Huskies Fan Oh, crap
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KelsdadAll-Star
354 days ago
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Oh, fack it. Created the fanbox myself, can't even remember it.
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KelsdadAll-Star
354 days ago
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Image:uconnlogo.jpg This user is a University of Connecticut fan.
I think I got it now. Only need, what, another 5-6000 pointless comments to make the monthly report?
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