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Afraidofedhochuli
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The Hoch’s Nest: Who’s in your 5? Part 2

by Afraidofedhochuli
created March 13, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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I need to start this off by saying that I am going to get a lot of flack for how this works, however I have had a few people look at my numbers and they agreed that this is a good way to do this.

Please remember that this is the list of “Top-5 Seahawks” based on statistical categories not on emotional attachment.

Disclaimer: I reserve the right to change the players based on stats not being shown. Example: Tackles was not a consistent stat until around 2001, so most stats are unavailable. Also, Offensive Linemen don’t have valid stats to follow.

This was my equation:

(Passing Yards*0.01) + Passing Touchdowns + (QB Rating*0.1) + (0.01*Receptions) + (Reception Yards*0.033) + Reception TDs + (Rushing Yards*0.033) + Rushing TDs + (5*Pro Bowl) + (10*All-Pro) + (2*Seasons) + (100*Current Seahawks Record Holder) + (4*Sacks) + (5*INT) + Return TD + (50*Player of the Year/MVP)

I figured that for QBs a good season was 3,000 yards and 25 TDs, whereas RB and WR was 1,000 yards and 10 TDs. That is what the multiplication stands for. That way the offensive players can be compared evenly. I also weighed the defensive stats a little heavier so they could compete with the 30,000 yards by some guys.

A friend of mine asked me to try and do this based on how many seasons they led in certain categories. I will do this for the next article. Right now, though, I want it to be just based on stats.

This is the list we were left with after Part One:

Steve Largent (WR), Jim Zorn (QB), Dave Brown (DB), Ricky Watters (RB), Cortez Kennedy (DT), Curt Warner (RB), Kenny Easley (S), Matt Hasselbeck* (QB), Jacob Green (DE), Brian Blades (WR), Chris Warren (RB), Michael Sinclair (DE), Walter Jones* (OT), Shaun Alexander* (RB), Dave Krieg (QB), Sherman Smith (RB), Mack Strong (FB), Bobby Engram* (WR).

Without further ado.

5 Dave Brown (DB)

62 INT, 5 TDs, 1 Pro Bowl, 2x All-Pro ('84,'85), Seahawks all-time INT leader with 50, 11 Seasons with the team

Brown was picked by the Steelers in the 1975 draft and helped them win a Superbowl. He was then picked in the 1976 Expansion Draft by the Seattle Seahawks. He tied an NFL record with two interceptions returned for Touchdowns during their November 4 th, 1984 game against the Chiefs.

He led the league in “Non-Offensive TDs” in 1984, “Interception Returns” in 1977, 1984 and 1985 and “Safeties” in 1976.

After leaving the team he played 4 years with the Packers, ending his career in 1986 as the 7 th all-time in interceptions with 62. His 50 INTs as a Seahawk still stands as the team record.

In 1992 he was inducted into the teams “Ring of Honor” and became the teams defensive backs coach until 1998.

January 10 th, 2006 he was playing basketball with his son when he suffered a heart attack, and died shortly thereafter.

(Stats from Pro-Football-Reference and biography info from Wikipedia)


4 Jacob Green (DE)

97.5 sacks, 3 INTs, 2 TDs, 2x Pro Bowl selection, Seahawks all-time sack leader with 97.5, 13 seasons with team

Green officially has 97.5 career sacks but unofficially has 116 (sacks became an official NFL statistic in 1982). That is still good enough to hold up as tops for the Seattle Seahawks. When he retired after the 1992 season he was number 3 on the all-time NFL list behind Reggie White and Lawrence Taylor. Since then he has lost some position and is now tied for 25 th.

He is second in “Team Single Season Sacks” with 16 and tied for 1 st in “Team Single Game Sacks” with 4 against the NY Giants October 19, 1986.

He played 12 seasons with the team.

(Stats from Pro-Football-Reference and Seahawks.com)

3 Dave Krieg (QB)

38,147 yards, 261 TDs, 3x Pro Bowler, ranks among the all-time top 15 in most passing categories, 11 seasons with team, Seahawks record holder in pass yards, attempts, completions.

In all honesty, he was ranked number 2 on my equation. I didn’t however take into account that he ranks number 2 all time in “Fumbles” with 153. The good news? He ranks second all time in “Fumbles Recovered”.

Dave Krieg never won with the Seattle Seahawks so some think that he doesn’t deserve to be on this list. I disagree. He is the team record holder in “Most Pass Attempts, Career”, “Most Pass Attempts, Season”, “Most Pass Completed, Career”, “Highest Completion Percentage, Season”, “Highest Completion %, Game”, “Most Yards Gained, Career”, “Most Seasons, 3,000 or More Yards Passing”,“Most Games, 400 or More Yards Passing, Career”, “Highest Average Gain,Career”,“Highest Average Gain, Season”, “Highest Average Gain, Game”, “Most Games, 5 or More TD Passes, Career”, “Most Touchdown Passes, Season”, “Most Games, 4 or More TD Passes, Career”, “Most Games, 4 or More TD Passes, Season”, “Most Consecutive Games, Touchdown Passes”, “Highest %, TD Passes, Career” and “Highest %, TD Passes Season”

If that doesn’t put him on the top-5, then you need to think again.

(Stats from Pro-Football-Reference and Seahawks.com)

2 Shaun Alexander* (RB)

9,429 yards, 100TDs, 3x Pro Bowl, 2x All-Pro ('04,'05), 2005 AP NFL MVP, 2005 Offensive POY, 8 seasons with team

Why is he number 2? Well, he actually was 1 st, but I am bumping him down (you’ll see why).

As much as he has been vilified the last few years, but he is still the best Running Back the team has ever had. He was the 2005 MVP and was the “Single Season TD Record” holder…well…until L.T. broke it the next year.

As far as Seahawks records go? “Most Attempts, Career”, “Most Attempts, Season”, “Most Yards Gained, Career”, “Most Seasons, 1,000 or More Yards Rushing”, “Most Yards Gained, Season”, “Most Yards Gained, Game”, “Most Games, 100 or More Yards Rushing, Career”, “Most Games, 100 or More Yards Rushing, Season”, “Most Consecutive Games, 100 or More Yards, Rushing”, “Longest Run From Scrimmage”, “Highest Average Gain, Season”,“Most Touchdowns, Career”, “Most Touchdowns, Season”, “T-Most Touchdowns, Game” and “Most Consecutive Games Rushing for Touchdown”.

People argue that it is because of the Offensive Line, and that may be partially true, but I could argue that even with a great line the back still needs to have talent. It wasn’t all Jones and Hutch.

(Stats from Pro-Football-Reference and Seahawks.com)

1 Steve Largent (WR)

819 receptions, 13,089 yards, 101 TDs, 7x Pro Bowl selection, 14 Seasons with the team

 

Of course he would be #1. He helped put the Seahawks on the map, and utilized his 5-foot-11-inch frame all the way into the Hall of Fame. He is the one “Pure” Seahawk to be inducted.

He is still the Team Record holder of: “Most Pass Receptions, Career”, “Most Seasons, 70 or More Pass Receptions”, “Most Seasons, 50 or More Pass Receptions”, “Most Pass Receptions, Game”, “Most Consecutive Games, Pass Receptions (3 rd in NFL History)”, “Most Yards Gained, Game”, “Most Yards Gained, Career (7 th in NFL History)”, “Most Yards Gained, Season”, “Most Games, 100 or More Yards, Receiving, Career”, “Most Games, 100 or More Yards, Receiving, Season”, “Most Touchdowns, Career”, “Most Consecutive Games, Touchdowns”, “Highest Average Per Reception, Season” and “Highest Average Per Reception, Game”. '

I think that it is safe to say that the Congressman is the #1 Seahawk of all time.

(Stats from Pro-Football-Reference and Seahawks.com)

I am going to put together another of these where I will rank MY top 5. What do you think? Who are yours?

From: Afraidofedhochuli.com

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SSreportersLegend
625 days ago
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Matt, I didn't know you were chasing Alexander 50 yards in the backfield! And good list, Largent is #1 no doubt.
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
625 days ago
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i agree. he ended up #3 in my math, but as I said the HOF knocks him to #1
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CheezerAll-Star
625 days ago
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I have had a few people look at my numbers and they agreed that this is a good way to do this. Polling the cleaning lady, the mailman and the cable guy is not necessarily the best way to validate your choices.
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
625 days ago
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No, I polled several Seahawks fans, a couple of which are accountants. So they checked my math. And who has cable anymore? Welcome to the 21st century Cheeze :)
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CheezerAll-Star
625 days ago
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Woohoo!!! Dave Krieg!
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Bobbyjim45Draft Pick
625 days ago
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Too bad it's based on just stats with the Seahawks, because Ricky "Running" Watters should be in everybody's Fav 5.
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
624 days ago
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yeah...i dont know if he would have made it though. He was only on the team for 4 years...
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JuTMSY4Legend
624 days ago
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For Who? For What?
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SSreportersLegend
624 days ago
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Ricky Watters....former Eagle, remember?
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JuTMSY4Legend
624 days ago
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From Wikipedia: "Watters joined the Philadelphia Eagles in 1995 as a free agent. He gained notoriety in Philadelphia for his infamous line "For who? For what?" after his first game as an Eagle on September 3, 1995 against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, when he "short armed" a pass to avoid contact in a 21-6 loss."
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Taytay 24All-American
624 days ago
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I like this, AOEH: a statistical method to compare different positions. But how did you arrive at you "good season" benchmarks? And how long did it take you to compute all this? Surely you didn't do all the players.
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
624 days ago
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i looked at the last few seasons and took what I figured was a good season for the most guys. I also wanted it to be as consistent as possible so 2500 yards would have been tough number crunching for QBs.

I did the stats for the list in the article. It took forever, but that is what excel is for :) It actually took longer to work out the math.

Of course it isn't perfect, but I am goign to keep tweaking it to see what I get.

If anyone wants a copy of the excel sheet for the math let me know, I only ask for recongition if it is used.

Thanks Tay! I appreciuate it.
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
624 days ago
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that original list was brought up by all of the Seahawks fans I know as well as going through the list of "Ring of Honor" and Team record holders, etc. This tells how: http://afrai...-your-5.html
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InterMatAll-American
624 days ago
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THERE IS NO ZORN, only ZUUL!
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AfraidofedhochuliDraft Pick
624 days ago
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HA!
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