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The Great Football Debate

by Dukeboy999
created February 19, 2009, last edited March 18, 2009
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One of the greatest debates in football, and in all of sports is who is the greatest NFL quarterback of all time. It may be a little bit hard to single out just one, so I have decided to list the top 5 quarterbacks in NFL history. This list will have nothing to do with personal opinions, and will be based solely on career stats and events.

1. Dan Marino

There is some debate to who the best quarterback of all time is, but Mr. Marino leaves little doubt as to who should top the list. You could argue that Brett Favre has almost 4,000 more career passing yards (65,127), however it took him almost 1,000 more attempts. Marino is second on the all time yards list (61,361), and is about 10,000 yards ahead on John Elway (51,475) in third place. When it comes to career touchdown passes, Marino is second all time, behind Favre (464) once again. However as we have already established, Favre had almost 1,000 more passing attempts in his career. Marino (420) is a whole 78 touchdowns ahead of Fran Tarkenton (342) who is currently third. The one stat that really hurts Brett's case for this list is the fact that he holds the all time record for career interceptions thrown (310). Marino kept his total down to a much lower 252.

Here are just a couple more mind boggling facts that put Dan on top:
He holds the records for highest completion percentage and passer rating as a rookie.
He holds the record for most yardage in a single season.

While many of Dan's records have been broken recently, it has been done by a variety of different players. Despite having won no super bowls, Dan Marino wrote the record books for modern day quarterbacks.

2. Peyton Manning

Yes, it is plausible for a guy who is still playing to make this list. The stats and records are so mind blowing even while his career is unfinished, that he had to make the list. Think of this guy as the modern version of Dan Marino, he may be the all time best by the time he retires. Manning is currently second all time in career passer rating (94.7) is seventh on the career passing yards list (45,628) despite having played only 11 seasons, and is 4th on the all time in passing touchdowns (333). Did I mention his career completion percentage of over 64%? And for those of us who think that Brett Favre's games played streak should move him up the list, Manning has played in 176 straight. This means that he has started every regular season game since coming into the league in 1998. Remember that record that Marino used to hold for most touchdown passes in one season? Manning has already broken that one. And On top of all that Manning is just about all you can ask for in terms of being a winner. During his rookie year, the Colts went 3-13, and in the 10 years following have only fallen short of 10 wins in a season once; not to mention the massive piece of jewelry on his ring finger. When it is all said and done, Manning is already one of the best ever, and is on pace to be THE best ever.

3. Johnny Unitas

Let's be honest: Johnny U had to make the list. In a time where the league was a run first, run second, and run third league, Unitas was the best of the best. Many consider Unitas to be the father of modern quarterbacks, and had he played at a time where the passing game was more heavily used, he would most likely be remembered as the best ever. Unitas ranks 7th on the all time touchdowns list (290), and 11th on the all time yardage list (40,239). Here is the stat that will really blow your mind; Dan Marino had (8,358) career passing attempts, and Peyton Manning had (5,960) as of now. Unitas had a minuscule (5,186) for his entire career. Unitas was selected to 10 Pro Bowls, and was voted AP NFL MVP 3 times. Unitas also won 2 NFL championships for the Colts, including a win over the Giants in 1958 in the "Greatest Game Ever Played". This was more than just any old NFL championship, it laid the foundation for what the NFL has become today. For those of you who like to pretend the NFL didn't truly exist until 20 years ago, Johnny Unitas was the first truly great NFL quarterback, and without him the NFL is not what it is today.

4. Joe Montana

When it comes to picking a quarterback that was flat out the man, Joe Montana is the one and only. Joe is 5th all time career for that all important stat, passer rating (92.3). Montana completed 63.2 percent of his passes for his career, threw for over 40,000 yards, and is in the top ten all time for touchdown passes (273). But as I said before, when it comes to looking at the best quarterbacks of all time, winning is the most important stat of all. Montana won 4 Super Bowls with the 49ers, and was named the Super Bowl MVP 3 times! Joe has the most yards (5,772) in postseason history by more than 800, most completions in postseason history (460), most postseason passing touchdowns (45), and did I mention the 3 Super Bowl MVP awards? Joe Montana was a great regular season quarterback. The thing that puts him on this list is that right now he is the best post season quarterback ever.

5. Tom Brady

The knee injury suffered last season may slow and or stop Tom Brady's climb up this list. What he does from this point on may affect whether or not he gets to be considered the best of all time, but for now he has locked up a spot in the top 5. When it comes to quarterbacks, stats are the most important judge of skill, but Super Bowls are the best measure of overall success. After all, quarterbacks are drafted to do one thing, and that is win Super Bowls for that franchise. Combine Tom Brady's career stats with his 3 Super Bowl rings and you have yourself an all time great. An outstanding stat when judging a quarterback is passer rating, and Brady is fourth all time on that career list (92.9). At 197, Brady doesn't even crack the top 20 all time in touchdown passes, but in fairness he has only played 7 full seasons. There are a couple of main reasons that Brady is 3rd on the list and so much better than most everyone else; his career passer rating, his season of pure insanity during which he threw 50, yes 50 touchdown passes, only 8 interceptions, and 4,800 yards, and last but not least his three rings. The fact that Brady has one of the best career passer ratings of all time, had the best season of any quarterback ever, and has 3 Super Bowl rings earns him a spot amongst the best of all time.


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BigPPupMajor Leaguer
283 days ago
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No John Elway?
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
283 days ago
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Elway was close, would most likely be my 6th.
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CheezerAll-Star
282 days ago
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Two of the top five are currently in the NFL and four of the top five are post-1978. Anyone care to venture a guess what 1978 means to the quarterback position in the NFL?

Nice effort DB, but you're missing a lot of football.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
282 days ago
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So who is your top 5, Cheezer?
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CheezerAll-Star
282 days ago
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I don't have a top five Rawb, but I'll take a stab at a top ten. In no particular order: Graham, Montana, Marino, Favre, Young, P Manning, Elway, Unitas, Brady, Starr.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
282 days ago
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Cheez - this is serious? 7 of your 10 played after 1978. You're weakening your own argument.


Just curious (as I am not attacking here): Why isn't Bradshaw on that list? Even though his numbers may be less, he did one thing that three of the QBs listed did not do: He won every Super Bowl game he was in. Surely this should count enough to get him on a top 10 list. He was the winning QB in 4 Super Bowls...
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CheezerAll-Star
282 days ago
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I didn't realize that I had made an argument. Iwas simply pointing out a shortcoming in the article.

I just listed names off the top of my head so there probably will be a bias to more modern times. However, I'm not writing an article claiming that the guys I pick are the all time best ever. I'm simply taking a stab and listing the names that come off the top of my head.

The modern era is going to generate more prolific passers based solely on the rules changes of 1978. That's a fact.

You could add Tarkenton and Bradshaw to my list. I like Anderson and Simms as well. Not a fan of Namath or Luckman. Maybe add Sammy Baugh.

There are simply too many to name and the judgment criteria too numerous. Comp. percentage? Bias towards dink and dunk passers. Yardage? Bias towards bombers and "accumulators". QB rating? Interesting, but how valid is the data?
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
282 days ago
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Right on Cheez - I totally agree with you. Didn't mean to put you on the spot. Your reasoning here is why I would (probably) never write an article of the "Top 10" nature.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
282 days ago
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Peyton Manning does not belong anywhere near this list. Steve Young, Otto Graham, Tarkenton, Starr, Aikman, Staubach, Bradshaw. So many better than Manning. Peyton's got numbers, but severely lacks in character. Top 10 maybe, but I'd rather have Ben Roethlesberger under center than Peyton Manning.
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TehLokiVarsity Captain
282 days ago
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BUt that's your opinion. Alot of general consensus sees Peyton as the best QB of our time. He screws with defenses better than any QB I watched and while you did name some great QBs, the only one on there who I can see making a case for as a better QB(Super bowls notwithstanding in my opinion), Is Young or Tarkenton. I don't think He should be #2 but #4 would have been better, with Tark at 2 Unitas at 3 Manning 4 and Elway at five. Then again, that's how I see it.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
282 days ago
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I would put all those guys and Brady above Manning.
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SSreportersLegend
282 days ago
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Brady and Manning are immediate top 10.


However, if I had to put it in the context of "last 10 years", they would be #1 and #2.


But Montana at #4 is a joke.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
282 days ago
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You do know that football existed before 1999, don't you SS?
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SSreportersLegend
282 days ago
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Sorry, I meant so say they aren't top 10 right now. In the context of all-time neither one of them is there, yet.


From 1999-2009 though, they're the top 2 of the decade.


Sort of like it was Aikman, Elway, Young and Favre in the 1989-1999 era.


Sorry if I didn't make that clear.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
282 days ago
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gotcha SS.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
282 days ago
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Teh, of course it's my opinion. So you'd have Tarkenton at 2, Unitas 3, Manning 4, Elway 5. So Manning is better than Joe Montana? Don't think so.


And I can't really back up my argument against Manning, except that his playoff rating is 84.9. 22 postseason TDs with 17 INTs, and a 7-8 record in the playoffs. And those playoff numbers are with guys like Marvin Harrison. So I guess I can backup my argument.


SSR, who is your top 10?
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JuTMSY4Legend
282 days ago
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How the fuck is Joe Montana 4? 40k passing yards and more Super Bowls than the next 3...combined
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Steel TownDraft Pick
282 days ago
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Apparently Super Bowls don't carry much weight in his rankings.
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SSreportersLegend
282 days ago
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Too many disagreements in this article will only lead to this classic.
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JuTMSY4Legend
282 days ago
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oh yeah, that one was a gem...
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JuTMSY4Legend
282 days ago
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mostly because i only made 1 comment related to that shitty article... Anyone wanna write a "Why Shane Doesn't understand the Quaterback Position" article with me?
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JuTMSY4Legend
282 days ago
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Based on this, its only numbers that matter (and they do mean a lot)...but where's Vinny Testeverde...he's 6th in all time passing yards (more than MOntana, Bradshaw or Brady) and 8th in TDs (again, more then the usual suspects)
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
282 days ago
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Or Bledsoe for that matter.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
282 days ago
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DukeBoy999 has returned!!! We are in the presence of a real journalist once again! Huzzah!
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JuTMSY4Legend
282 days ago
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He pales in comparison to this guy
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JuTMSY4Legend
282 days ago
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No more pearls for you swine!
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Davis21wylieMVP
282 days ago
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Only 95 more to go, huh Dukeboy? :)
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CheezerAll-Star
282 days ago
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You can't have Johnny Unitas on this list without considering Otto Graham and Bart Starr.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
282 days ago
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You're just scratching the surface. A list like this leaves off so many names, it's almost not worth putting a list out there. Sid Luckman, Bobby Layne, Sammy Baugh, Bob Waterfield, Y.A. Tittle.


And as you mentioned earlier, any QB who played prior to 1978 is going to pale in comparison (numbers wise) to QBs who played post 1978. Bradshaw and Staubach are two interesting names who both played in both eras of the NFL. I am always amazed that neither of these two even come up when discussions of great QBs are brought up.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
282 days ago
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But isn't the point of a top 5 list to remove almost everyone who ever played?
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
282 days ago
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I thought the point of it was to generate unsubstantiated debate! :-)
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JuTMSY4Legend
282 days ago
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not true SJ...when i tackled the subject, Bradshaw was on the list
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
282 days ago
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Fair enough...The link doesn't work, but I know I was overstating things. I was more thinking of ESPN/Fox when I made that statement.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
282 days ago
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And in my defense, that article was written 980 days ago! But I did like the "in no particular order" format. I think that is a much better way to go. I really don't feel that there is an argument that can be made to say that one QB is truly the greatest ever.
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JuTMSY4Legend
282 days ago
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to me, its roughly a .50x + .50y equation. Give you take, you've got to give credit for Super Bowl wins...1 is usually a good qualifier (like Elway, Unitas...though there weren't Super Bowls for some of his career, Manning, etc) and 3 or 4 makes up for lesser numbers (Montana, Bradshaw even more so...)...the opposite is true for guys with really good numbers (Marino, lookin' at you)

Marino and Bradshaw are such polar opposites on this spectrum...but everyone pretty much agrees Marino was the better QB, so perhaps its .6 Numbers + .4 Super Bowls...and if you push it like that, than you really might have a case of Manning or Elway the most...

But I agree, Bradshaw should always be mentioned for his 4 rings
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
282 days ago
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I would tend to agree with you, but I do think that Marino gets an edge because he was a QB during the ESPN era. And if not that, then it was Isotoner and Ace Ventura that gives him an edge. :-)
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JuTMSY4Legend
282 days ago
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Laces up Dan, Laces up...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
282 days ago
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"Laces OUT"! Did you even see the movie? Or were you just watching for the "Crazy-assed Sean Young has a penis" scene?
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JuTMSY4Legend
282 days ago
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oversight
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
282 days ago
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Steve Bartkowski ===FOREVER!!!!===
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
282 days ago
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I liked Bartkowski as well. And Brian Sipe. Dan Fouts. The list is endless.
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CheezerAll-Star
282 days ago
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Free Dave Krieg!
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Dukeboy999Varsity Captain
281 days ago
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So if Bradshaw makes the list, which may be acceptable for his 4 rings, who gets bumped off?
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
281 days ago
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Manning.
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EjamesfreemanTee-Baller
273 days ago
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hey im only 14 i never got to see dan morino or joe montan play but brady is the best qb that i have ever seen play the game and when he comes back superbowl owl owl yea hes going to get the fourth ring go ppppppppppppaaaaaatriottttttttttttttttttttttttttsssssssssss
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Davis21wylieMVP
273 days ago
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In case anyone was wondering, this is Exhibit A as to why everybody hates us Pats fans.
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Mvicks21JV Squad
273 days ago
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I am a huge Heath Shuler fan! If he only would gave gotten a fair chance...he would be on this list.
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