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Suns Get Some Diesel To Put in the High Octane Machine

by Manny Stiles
created February 06, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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Phoenix (AGM) - Planet Orange is about to get a little bigger. Shaquille O'Neal is a physical away from becoming a Phoenix Sun.

When I first heard the "rumor", I was returning from a daytrip to beautiful Sedona, Arizona and listening to FM radio. Now, I originally brushed it off as "you don't buy into NBA rumors you hear on FM radio". But it got me and the biggest Suns fan in the world (my wife) thinking...

Some people may scratch their heads and wonder why this is happening. Some people are shocked and surprised. Many people say this makes no sense. Most people haven't been watching the Suns all year like I have!

This deal is unbelievable!!! I love it! I love it!!! And yes, I CAN DIG IT!!!!

Let's break it down

Shaq is a Sun running at one for the thumb! (crappy photo by Manny Stiles for AGM)
Shaq is a Sun running at one for the thumb! (crappy photo by Manny Stiles for AGM)

Shaq

The common perception- He's 842 years old. He's 470 lbs and out of shape. He's banged up with a bad hip, an enlarged prostate, liver spots and he probably has cataracts. Playing for worst team in the Association's history and not an All-Star for the first time in 361 years.

PLEASE debate me on this - Shaq is the best passing Big Man in the game. I would even venture to say that the only guys All-Time who could be considered better are Wilt and Bill Walton.

On a team that predicates ball movement - Do you think a great passing big man will fit in with Nash, Amare, Grant Hill and Boris Diaw (ALL excellent passers)?

On a team that shoots the three more than any other - So let's say Amare and Shaq are down low... WHO are you gonna double? Well, you just left a shooter (or two) open - Are you SERIOUSLY going to leave Raja Bell, Steve Nash or Leandro Barbosa open for three??? I am salivating at this!!!

I've only been saying it since July - The Suns NEED a big man to free up Amare and to get rebounds. Shaq takes up more space than anyone and he gets rebounds even when he's not trying.

Two Man Game - Now Nash can pick and roll with Shaq and/or Amare. Or just use Shaq as the largest screen this side of a drive-in theatre.

December - I watched Shaq and the Heat come into PHX and beat my hometown Suns. I said at the time - "I don't know why everyone is down on Shaq - He looks good!"

April - Do you THINK that Shaq doesn't know what time of year it is? The Suns are just going to let him gear up for the playoff run.

But Manny, Shaq can't run!!! - 94 feet in 6-7 seconds? If Krazy Eyez Kurt can do it, so can Shaq. But guess what? The Suns don't run EVERY time down the court... and when they do get into a half-court, say like... in the Playoffs, the Suns will be able to bog it down with the best of them. Or when they bench Shaq, slide Amare back to C and run 'em off the court!

The Suns will have to abandon the running game now - Says who? NOW, the Suns can go at any speed! Even with Shaq on the floor, they can still fastbreak - the Suns fastbreak when they get rebounds, Shaq will help the Suns rebounding just by being there, taking up space.

Downside risk - Shaq is an injury risk, no doubt. But I would never ever question his motivation and I can't wait until he is out leading the break for the Suns - because you know Shaq, it will happen eventually - and I'm going to cry tears of joy and laughter.

Money - People are pointing to the Suns' owner's recent cheapness and knowledge that the Suns didn't want to spend the money on re-signing Marion and wondering "Where are they gonna get the money for the next 2 years of Shaq?". Well, Shaq's contract is essentially the same as Marion's and Banks putrid deal put together, so as far as money goes it's status quo.

Shaq makes a sacrifice - He is going to lose millions in income taxes moving from Florida to Arizona. I'm sure he'll survive. But it's not to be overlooked in today's NBA. Shaq could have said "No, I'd rather go to Dallas and not get taxed as much." Plus, he needs a clean start in his personal life with his divorce and all...


Marion

Fact - Shawn Marion wanted out. I still think he should have talked to Joe Johnson first. But if he wanted out - GET HIM OUT!!!

Funny - By trading Shawn and Marcus ("S&M", heh heh) together the Suns eliminated 90% of their missed easy layups!

Seriously - Banks and Marion were the two most frustrating players on the team.

Myth - Marion get so many rebounds for his size and was a an intregal part of what the Suns were doing. They will miss him.

I wonder - How many hundreds of Marion's rebounds in his career are putbacks on his own misses? Man, as athletic as he is, he is frustrating. He misses so many easy layups in his career, it's astounding!

Interesting - Marion was out of position at the 4, but Grant Hill and Boris Diaw were clogging the 3. So removing Shawn and getting a legit center adds more flexibility for D'Antoni to work with.

I also wonder - Has anyone shot as many airballs than Marion over the past 5-7 years?

All-Star - Marion sulked when he wasn't added to the All-Star roster. Guess what? He did not deserve it this year, at all.

Frequent Flyer Miles - Marion has a lot of miles on his wheels too.

South Beach - Off the court, Marion is a well-noted nightlife creature. South Beach might get the best of Shawn...

Playoffs - Compare what Shawn did in the playoffs to what Shaq will...

While playing in the snow in Sedona, I should have seen this coming. After all, it snowed in Arizona!!! (photo by Manny Stiles for AGM)
While playing in the snow in Sedona, I should have seen this coming. After all, it snowed in Arizona!!! (photo by Manny Stiles for AGM)

The Suns

Anyone who sees how this doesn't add up is a fool or just plain isn't paying enough attention to what's going on here in PHX.

1) The Suns were NOT going to re-sign Marion to a max extension.

2) With Shaq on the floor makes Amare impossible to guard. Everybody's game will open up. With Shaq in the lockerroom, the Suns have a leader that doesn't need to be anything but big. It will help Grant Hill's game, Shaq will get Boris Diaw to grow some confidence and Raja Bell's gonna get back on track with the open looks he's gonna get. I like this roster so much more now.

3) The clubhouse will be fun and energized with Shaq's personality coming in and pouty Marion's attitude and Banks' whatever-he-did-to-make-D'Antoni mad going out.

4) The Suns are now a team of four letter names! Shaq, Nash, STAT, Bell, Diaw, Hill, Blur, even Skin, Eric (Piatkowski), Sean (Marks). The rookies need good 4 letter nicknames!

5) The Spurs don't like this AT ALL!!! Every other year they are in the Finals, and every other year, Shaq is!

6) 6 - How many times Shaq has been to the Finals. 0 - how many times the Phoenix Suns have (Raja Bell is the only Sun that has appeared in a Finals). Experience matters!!! When Shaq walks in the clubhouse with his 4 rings, the Suns will listen. Best part - Shaq knows who team this is.

Remember when he said this a few years ago - "I have seen the future of the NBA and his name is Amare Stoudemire. He reminds me of a young me."

7) The Suns still have a trade exception and picks to deal!!!

8) This is the first article I've written about the Suns since when I said that dealing Kurt Thomas was the wrong thing to do. The Suns NEEDED a big man - Shaq's the Biggest Man!

9) I gotta give owner Robert Sarver and GM Steve Kerr some props. We knew Banks and Marion were goners, but this move took a set of steel balls.

10) In a slight way, - keep in mind, I grew up in the Philly burbs - this reminds me of Moses Malone joining Dr. J to win a title in 1983.


In Summary

Addition by subtraction. The Suns made a daring move and I love it!

They are going to be fun to watch and I know that the guys will express more smiles and happiness than the past few weeks when everyone has seemed "on edge".

Shaq is getting ring #5 and either returns to defend it or retires into the Sunset and frees up $20 mil when he does, allowing the Suns to make a huge move in the future. Love it!

And the Suns are not done making moves yet!!!

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JuTMSY4Legend
643 days ago
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"For more Manny Stiles articles with titles that make more sense than this one [CLICK HERE]. " False advertising...
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RomiezzoLegend
643 days ago
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Spammy Stiles?
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
643 days ago
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JuT - Diesel/High Octane? Oxymoron. And I didn't say ALL the titles make more sense than this one... I'm offended, Romi - How does one spam their own article?
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JuTMSY4Legend
643 days ago
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i still can't find the one that makes sense...
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Falcon02520Legend
643 days ago
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"No_One_Has_a_Right_To_Crush_Anyone's_Dreams" Found One
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Falcon02520Legend
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try this again
! Well, falcon02520, you made a right mess of that.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
643 days ago
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Gee Falcon, got all the way to the first one in the archives!
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Falcon02520Legend
643 days ago
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#32 This user is a fan of
the Big Shaquaro
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Falcon02520Legend
643 days ago
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already updated ;)
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Bobbyjim45Draft Pick
643 days ago
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"Diesal"?
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Falcon02520Legend
643 days ago
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btw Manny, that photo really is crappy... In real life Nash is only 1/4 the size of Shaq
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
643 days ago
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Buy me a new camera then.

If you've never seen Shaq in person... whew.

I mean... I'm a big dude (6'6" 270) that makes most people look pretty small and Shaq makes me look like a little kid. I mean, he's got 7 inches and about 50 pounds on me and that's just ridiculous.

But Steve Nash is 6'3" 200lbs, so it's not like he's Earl Boykins...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
643 days ago
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shaq705428um8.jpg
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Falcon02520Legend
643 days ago
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come'on... thats just funny
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JuTMSY4Legend
643 days ago
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Boykins!!!!
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PeanMajor Leaguer
643 days ago
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Michael: Yes, well. It is a big loss. Dwight was the top salesman...

Andy: Was the top salesman...

Michael: I said 'was'.

Andy: [chuckles] Addition by subtraction.

Michael: What does that even mean? That is impossible.

Andy: Mmmm. Yeah you're right.

Michael: But, there is some good news. Oscar is back. Addition by addition
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
643 days ago
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??? Maybe I need to log off and watch more Entourage?
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PeanMajor Leaguer
643 days ago
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sorry, i saw the line "addition by subtraction" and immediately thought of that quote from the Office...my brain is probably filled 75% of that kinda stuff..I call it a talent
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
643 days ago
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My bad. I only watch Sports, the Simpsons and a healthy dose of porn... my TV has cartoons and cooking shows on most of the time, that's about it. If I want drama, I'll talk to my parents. If I want comedy, I'll stare in a mirror.
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Falcon02520Legend
643 days ago
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Image:Simpsons.gif This user is a Simpsons fan.
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Davis21wylieMVP
643 days ago
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Dude, you have to watch The Office. Especially since we now know it's written by Ken Tremendous...
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JuTMSY4Legend
643 days ago
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the office???

Pllluuuuuusssssss...

"Come to homer's BBBQ, the extra B is for BYOBB."

"What's that extra B for?"

"Its a typo"
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
643 days ago
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Just remembered another negative point - I have to watch Shaq shoot free throws now...
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False ProphetAll-Star
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You want to know what else is funny? The Heat now have the 3 former Celtics that came over to MN in MN-Boston Super trade 1.0 (Banks, Blount, Davis)
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OneflydudeAll-American
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I like the move. Most of my unknowledgable friends asked why this was done and it basically told them some of the things u wrote. I'm sick of Marion bitchin in Phoenix. He should be thankful that Phoenix kept him for as long as they did
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XtinctWaterboy
643 days ago
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I must admit, you make a heckuva case. As a Lakers fan, I was initially thrilled at the move. But your points make me a bit concerned now....
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CheezerAll-Star
643 days ago
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We all know the real reason that Shaq agreed to move back out west. He wanted to revitalize his true calling.. Image:Shaq daddy.jpg
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CheezerAll-Star
643 days ago
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Seriously, Manny, you make some very good points. My thought is that if the Sun management team didn't think that Shaq could benefit them now, they wouldn't have made the deal. Nash isn't getting any younger. Also, they need to overpower Dirk and Duncan somehow.
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Tyrone BriggsHall of Famer
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I'm sensing the next "Dre and Em" tandem with Shaq now sharing the same zip code with Mr. Stiles.
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IbeargRed-Shirting
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how about the fact that shaq is probably to slow to defend, well... anyone.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
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watch shaq win another title!!!! aroundtheleague.com
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Agent0Red-Shirting
642 days ago
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GREAT ARTICLE as usual Manny :D
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
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http://www.a...7AA74C5BD325
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