Spring....

16-0 isn't kinda good. IT'S DAMNED GOOD!

But you keep bashing them....

Bashing is totally irrelevant to that, SS. You can hate a team, and still say that they're good.

Actually, it was SSReporters.

There is nothing wrong with bashing and running a teams name into the ground. I hate the Pats andIm willing to say it, but I respect what htey did, I still hope they will lose in the Super Bowl.

Is it because he's overrated? Or just because he plays for the Pats. (Probably both)

You're tempting me KD, but I don't want to get into this again. We both know each other's different opinions on just how good Brady is...

I minused you b/c you don't need to call me out KD

And what to you call this, FP? I think we've had this conversation before, you don't want to get called out for saying stupid things then stop saying them.

And so you all know, I don't give a fucking goddamn about your childish minuses.

That's obvious, KD. Is that why you started swearing about it?

Shut up, Nap

You tried to start a fight and now you've got it. I find it amusing. FP is handling you very well, and that's what you can't stand.

I haven't started anything, and if you go read all the previous comments you would see who really did. But it doesn't matter because I don't care. Thanks for sticking your nose in, though.

When you say that Tom Brady isn't great, that's picking a fight. We're touchy about our QB, as I'm sure you know.

Right. You're a Pats fan, you see everything through rose colored glasses. Even if he did suck, you would never admit it. So everytime someone says something, YOU ALL turn it into a fight without thinking for two seconds whether or not it's true or not. Its my opinion, and you can't disprove anything I said. You may not like it, but you can't change it, especially since you're fifteen and don't know anything anyway.

I can disprove everything you said by citing Tom Brady's individual achievements, which rival any other great QB's achievements. I am not 15, by the way, the "15" in my username has nothing to do with my age. It's actually another way of writing Napoleon XV, after the singer/songwriter Napoleon XIV.

Let me set something straight. Brady is not the greatest of all time, I would pick Montana over Brady. Brady is a great QB, hall of fame credentials, works well with mediocre receivers. But, I hate the fact that A.) Pats fans think Brady is the equivalent to a being almighty, and B.) These "pundits" are coining him to be the greatest of all time. You know who gets credit for Brady's 26-28 night? Not the receivers, not Welker, who caught a crap load of passes, not Stallworth, but Tom Brady. Admit it, the media has every right to be enamored with him, he has won 3 Super Bowls, but no way is he the greatest. If he shatters more records in the next few years, then we'll talk.

I thought it was for this guy:

OK, so you're not 15, but you still don't know anything.

I'm not anointing him the best of all time. If he continues his current and previous level of play for the rest of his career, then he will be the best of all time. Until then, I still rank John Elway and Joe Montana ahead of him. However, he is a great QB.

It's actually for both the Emperor and the songwriter. The songwriter was named after the Emperor, though.

How often can you put up numbers like that? (I don't agree with Kels believing Brady is not great at all BTW.)

Goodness, good job for not surrendering the debate!

I'm talking about his career performance thus far, not his performance this year.

Look, if Brady put up fairly good numbers with mediocre receivers, and then gets this dream team receiving corp, what does that say about the receivers?

Obviously, they're great receivers. But, many great QBs have great receivers (and don't get criticized for it, BTW). Montana had Jerry Rice, Elway had Shannon Sharpe, and Steve Young had Jerry Rice and John Taylor.

I see. I think what has happened, is that Brady is the "posterboy" for everything. Brady gets marketed the most without the need of 5,000 commercials.

I was actually responding to these things called thoughts/arguments/points, and not making Ad hominem attacks against other users

That's true, and I think it's because he was the only star on the team for a while. When the Patriots won their first two Super Bowls, the only two players that anybody outside of New England could name were Tom Brady and Adam Vinatieri.

SSR, you can point to the addition of great receivers (although Wes Welker was hardly considered great before this year) as an explanation for Brady's statistical upsurge, but what hasn't changed from the mediocre receivers to great receivers has been the winning. This 17 game win streak the Pats are riding is their SECOND LONGEST with Brady at quarterback. The Pats were 82-26 (counting the playoffs) with Brady as their starter coming into this season. That's .759, and an average of 13.7 wins a year. And that was before Moss and Welker. Is the winning all because of Brady? NO! But he is a very significant part of it. Not as significant as the national media portrays, but more significant than Kelsdad portrays.

If it were up to Kels, Brady gets credit for none of the wins, and Chad Pennington is a great QB.

How about Randy Moss? I thought he was washed up... Donte Stallworth? He'll never be any good... Jabar Gaffney? He got cut from the TEXANS!

Now see, SSR, that was just fucking stupid.

I'm just making a little joke is all. If you want me to be stupid, I would've said Blair Thomas punched his ticket to Canton with the illustrious career he had.

Randy Moss isn't washed up, it's hard to get the football when your QB is throwing the ball backwards (Aaron Brooks) or lying on his ass all day (Andrew Walter). Reply again.

I replyed on the other comment.

Was the minus a joke, too?

No, that would be for taking that as a serious comment.

Fair enough. This is all my fault anyway. I should know better than argue with these morons. I should just walk away and let them all jerk off to their Brady posters.

Ha, that was actually pretty funny, KD...

KD, LOL!!!

and you say you've proven your case several times, but what is it? I haven't heard any actual reasons as to why he's not good. If you tell us what they are, then maybe we can disprove them.

I would take Brady even if I could get Peyton or Favre.

Why not?

Three Super Bowl rings and two Super Bowl MVP awards do not make you overrated. But KD knows that, he's just trying to pick another fight.

Plus, I don't think even Tiger could win the Grand Slam in a single season, although he has proven doubters wrong over and over...

What, no Phil?

Maybe some fans would like to see more Tiger-Phil battles, but I'd rather see Phil get lost in a bra store and never return. Time for some new blood.

That's funny!! ++++++++++++++++++++++++

Hmmmm....more than a bra store if you ask me.

"I've been watching sports a lot longer than all of you." I swear this is like the 5 millionth time you've said that.

When Tom Brady has a Super Bowl ring on every finger (ten of them, for you New York fans), will you admit that he's one of the greatest QBS of all time, if not the greatest?

KD was attacked by FP in a previous post where I think he called KD like so goddamn stupid that he knows nothing about football or something along those lines.

KD is callous, the easiest way to deal if you can't have a calm debate without personal jabs or becoming increasingly immature then ignore KD. He will piss you off and get under your skin and make you mad, he's really good at it. If you can take it, then get in the ring and fight fair. If you can't don't jump in the ring. It looks like FP was holding his own like a big boy.

Many times KDs conversations transcend post, unless he enrages you unprovoked, it's better to not jump in.

I've fought him before and had fun, actually. That was a battle between Red Sox and Yankee fans. The thread generated over 400 comments.

All we're doing is debating. You have your opinion, I have mine.

You will make, as FP knows, a huge mistake if you start name calling and defending Brady or whomever the topic is without substance. To just say, "Brady's great and you're an idiot" is a surefire way to get yourself into something you have no chance of winning.

I've never intentionally tried to offend someone, unlike someone. And if I did I'm not above apologizing, but remember, I've been around sports alot longer than all of you and have seen alot more than all of you.

Instead of arguing all the time, try listening to what I say, you'll learn something.

I have listened to you. And I'm still right and you're still wrong ;-)

But anyway, I think Brady's accomplishments speak for themselves.

"I've been watching sports a lot longer than all of you." I swear this is like the 5 millionth time you've said that. (Darn reply button)

Thanks for proving my point, Nap

So how come no one listens?

C'mon, KD, that's not an argument. You don't win arguments by citing your lifespan, you win by presenting facts.

So present some, Nap. All you've done all day is give me crap.

I already did present some. Like three Super Bowl rings, two Super Bowl MVP awards (and nearly and third one), the lowest INT ratio in NFL playoff history, and an NFL MVP award? Setting the NFL season record for TD passes and winning games with Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney as receivers and Atowain Smith as his go-to running back. Leading twenty-plus fourth quarter comebacks in six years, including two last-minute game-winning drives in the Super Bowl? Looks pretty good to me.

the TD mark is enough. Average QB's don't throw 50 TD passes. Manning couldn't even do it with Harrison and Wayne and a HOF OL and Edgerrin James in the Backfield

"All we're doing is debating."

Actually, KD, in this thread you've done pretty much everything but debate. You've made personal attacks in an effort to annoy. You've tried dismissing opposing arguments without addressing them, either by citing your age as some sort of proof that you are right, or by generalizing New England fans as homers.

So what are you afraid of, KD? It's a subjective argument, so it's not like anyone can prove you wrong. You claim to be this older, wiser, statesmanlike, expert. So act like it instead of acting like a baby.

I hate you, LA (just kidding).

I also pay 515 a month to share a 1 bedroom townhouse with a buddy, pay 3.35 a gallon for gas and get taxed up the ass by my socialist state gov't. We pay for the perks.

Well I just built a snowman with a huge rack and called her Victoria. Can't do that in LA, can ya?

Yeah, plus being on the front lines of the illegal alien invasion.

But you've got the governator!

Let's just say Victoria was a real ice queen...

Dude don't get me started on the illegal aliens... We only keep the governator because any Democrat. Gov. in Cali would allign with the socialist... sorry far left democratic state assembly and senate that spends all it's time spending our tax dollars on themselves and illegals from the south and on gerrymandering - but little to none on infastructure.

and we had Posh a decade before we had David Becks, she's an old and known product.

And he's likely getting a cut of all the illegal Balco shipments to San Francisco.

I'd believe it KD, I wouldn't be surprised if Maria Shriver was on the Board at BALCO.

I saw Posh the other day, then I threw her in the trash once I was done picking my teeth.

I did the same with Victoria once she started melting.

You mean, the wife of the Roidenator could be on the board of BALCO?

Shocking isn't it? I also just found out that John Madden owns a controlling stake in Bret Farve's non-profit. That explains why he's on the cack so hard.

It's amazing how Brett's presumably hasn't snapped in half then.

I thought he lost a step, and was only a product of the Randy ratio... at least that's what I was hearing before he teamed up with Brady. Look I'm not saying that Moss would be on the streets if he hadn't come to the Pats, I'm just saying that it's a two-way street; QB throws, WR catches it. They both gotta be pretty damn good to put up the numbers they've put up this year.

I don't know, when Brady throws into triple coverage and Moss somehow catches it, something has to give.

Or throwing to the other team (Kerry Collins) or throwing to anyone within 10 yards of his target (Culpepper) or if his college quarterback could throw a deep out (Pennington). He's not washed up but using Brooks and Walter as an excuse for lack of effort and poor numbers is rhetoric.

LA, not to put words in your mouth (and correct me if I'm wrong, even though I'm going to bed and probably won't respond), but it's almost as if you're saying, "Now that Moss has a great quarterback, he can play up to his full potential." And that is exactly my point. Both players put up record setting numbers together. Now that Moss has somebody who can make those double coverage throws in places where he can get to them, he puts up record setting numbers. Now that Brady has a legit deep threat, he puts up record setting numbers. Sounds like a two-way street to me...

Sorry Bobby, my comment was directed at the orginal, I did't see yours because we commented at the same time. I agree with what your saying fully, I'm also commenting on Randy's lack of effort. Taking plays off, not run blocking, cutting off routes if the quarterback isn't looking for him. Sorry to kinda walk on your point man.

So I guess I'm saying that his poor numbers are as much his fault as the bad QBs, which is what your saying expect talking about lack of production instead of production.

Oh... well... never mind then... <turns and walks away in shame>

Taking plays off, not run blocking, cutting off routes if the quarterback isn't looking for him. Well then, as opposed to all of the other receivers who never take plays off?

I couldn't stand Randy Moss before he went to New England and turned his attitude around. Even when he played for the Vikings, he irritated me. I know that receivers take plays off, but Randy Moss took it a bit farther than that. I still remember his infamous comment that he wouldn't play if he didn't want to, and that nobody could make him play if he didn't want to.

That was during Dennis Green's last season in Minnesota.

He's not other receivers, he's Randy Moss, the apparent greatest wideout of this post-Rice age. He should be doing any of that. Kobe Bryant is the best post-Jordan and he doesn't take plays off, slack on defense and refuse to rebound. If your the best you have to step up and be the best all the time, not just when you feel like it.

The apparent greatest receiver? Maybe if you're just counting his hype. Overall, the greatest receiver since Jerry Rice has been Marvin Harrison.

In terms of sheer physical talent, Moss>Harrison and Rice, in terms of performance and success Rice>Harrison>Moss

I won't stand for this injustice...

It has always be obvious with little debate that Rice is the greatest ever...

FP, how can you comment when the last time rice had a great season (the 100 some odd receptions, sub-10 TD 1996 effort) you were only 5 or 6...

Those who saw Rice play, remember not only the man with arguably the greatest work ethic in the NFL, but the man with the talent to back it up...

The demon wonders when this website changed its name to falseprophetgm.com

Jerry Rice also had the worst style of any athlete of the 1985-1995 Era. Some of his haircuts and outfits were hi-larious. And to the third person, Mr. Demon - perhaps you could speak of the people IN sports, not about the people who share their own personal opinions on a sports web site. There are more appropriate places for that kind of personal attack behavior. Perhaps, I could give you directions?

I couldn't agree more, with both Jut and Manny. There's no logical argument you can construct that Rice wasn't the best wide receiver ever. And he had the worst fashion sense of any wide receiver ever.

I should of said alleged instead of apparent. And I make sure to note that this was post-Rice era. Jerry Rice is both untouchable as a reciever, and a distant relative of mine. Only came to 1 family reunion though.

Maybe she could win a show us some leg or win a race but keep your fack mouth shut certificate. Worked for Kornokova

or how about these Brady's? 1200705942_Brady_bunch.jpg‎

one more time:

These Brady's

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Sure did... it use to be image: and the image you want, then someone told me it was now the brackets. I don't know what the hell to do.

Sounds good to me.

If it has been uploaded already, all you need to do is copy the "Image:_______" and add [[]]s to it.

[[Image:_______]]

admins? What am I doing wrong. Before the site reformatting I had no trouble with my images.

You have to post the URL... OR you have to upload the pic.

If this doesn't work, then your picture hasn't been uploaded and you need to upload it in order for it to work.

hahaha, the Brady Bunch

I think I kinda killed the joke. I should've had LASportsBlog try one more time. I think it would've been funnier if they weren't in separate comments.

lol it's all good Romi, I had it uploaded but just wasn't gettig the tagging right.