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Red Sox: The Peyton Manning of the AL East

by JTStally
created June 12, 2009, last edited July 06, 2009
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[1] When the three-game series opened up Tuesday, the Red Sox and Yankees were right where they had expected to be, running neck-and-neck a top the AL East, with the Yanks one-game in front of their bitter rivals to the north.

As always, the teams are in an even battle.

Except they're not.

After sweeping the Yankees to go up by two games in the division, the Red Sox are now 8-0 against the Pinstripes this year.

This is a change from protocol.

Historically, the Yankees have always dominated the Red Sox, after Boston's delinquent management Boston shipped most of its roster (including the infamous trade of Babe Ruth) that had helped them win four World Series in the 1910s to New York, the Yankees won 26 World Series, and, until, 2004, the Red Sox won none.

In the 2004, the Red Sox had an epic comeback against the Yankees from a 3-0 games deficit to win the American League and ultimately win their first World Series in 86 years. And for the first time since the 1910s, the Red Sox gained the upper hand over the Yankees.

That was, until 2006, when the Yankees got some swagger back with what, both fan bases agree, can be called "The Boston Massacre." In a tight battle for the division, as usual, the teams entered a five-game series. Red Sox fans were optimistic that the second place Sox could take the division lead with a good series.

That didn't happen.

In fact, the Sox didn't win a game and were sent into a tailspin that forced them to miss their first (and only to-date) playoffs since 2002.

But, in 2007, the Red Sox again reined supreme, when they ended the Yankees nine-year string of division championships and went on to win their second World Series in four years, and last season, the Red Sox held onto that supremacy, when the Yankees failed to make the playoffs for the first time since 1994.

In the off-season, the Yankees decided it was time to reload and build a winner again. They spent well over $400 million on just three free agents in an attempt to return to glory.

While the Yankees are playing just fine this season (34-26 entering Friday's play), they're considered far from successful because the Red Sox have flat out embarrassed the New Yorkers this season.

Fittingly, two of the three free agents (A.J. Burnett and C.C. Sabathia) suffered losses in the most recent sweep, while, the third, Mark Teixeira, made the last out in the third game yesterday.

Tuesday, it made sense that Red Sox ace, Josh Beckett, could out duel A.J. Burnett, and Wednesday night it wasn't surprising that the Red Sox did damage against a struggling Chien-Ming Wang, but Thursday definitely favored the Yankees, with C.C. Sabathia (who owns one of the richest free agent contracts in history) going against the back of the Sox rotation in Brad Penny.

The Yankees almost pulled off their first win, until the Red Sox lineup, which had been shut down all night, broke out for the three runs in the eighth and Jonathan Papelbon closed the door on a 4-3 win for Boston in the ninth.

At this point, the AL East this decade appears roughly equivalent to the Manning family: -The Yankees are like Cooper. They were the best at the beginning, so they could bully around everyone else early on, but then they just became noticeably normal and nobody thinks they're tough anymore. -The Red Sox are like Peyton. Once they hit their full stride, they are are clearly the superior one in the group and have had the most success. -Keeping with the theme, the Rays would be like Eli. They're young and won something recently (2008-AL East/Super Bowl), but still nobody gives them any respect.

So, what happened? What went so wrong for the Yankees? How did they end up in a situation to be compared to Peyton Manning's older brother!?

It's simple: the Red Sox know how to build a franchise, the Yankees do not.

In this day of sabermetrics, prospect scouting, and minor league development, the Red Sox have truly mastered the system. Going around the field the Red Sox drafted and developed Kevin Youkilis (1B), Dustin Pedroia (2B), Jed Lowrie, (SS-currently on the DL), Jacoby Ellsbury (CF), Jon Lester (SP), Justin Masterson (SP/RP), Jonathan Papelbon (CL), Manny Delcarmen (RP), and Daniel Bard (RP). Meanwhile, the Red Sox have maximized their farm system to trade for some other key players. Josh Beckett (SP) and Mike Lowell (3B) were both a result of a Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez deal with the Florida Marlins.

In fact, when it comes to free agents, the big money the Red Sox have shelled out have caused the most headaches to club's fan base: J.D. Drew (RF), Julio Lugo (SS), and Daisuke Matsuzaka (SP).

This might explain why Yankees fans have had so many recent headaches themselves. The Yankees have insisted on signing their talent instead of developing it. (Please don't cite Joba Chamberlin here as a counter example, you ignorant Yankee fan! I just named nine Red Sox players they drafted and developed.) Admittedly, the Yankees do have some homegrown talent on the field: 1990 draft picks, Jorge Posada at catcher and Andy Pettitte at starting pithcer; 1992 draft pick, Derek Jeter at shorstop; and, the uninspiring Brett Gardner in centerfield. (Can you hear the sarcasm jumping off your computer screen!?)

Other than that, most all of the Yankees have ended up in the Bronx because of the money: 1B, Teixeira; 3B, Alex Rodriguez; LF, Johnny Damon; RF, Nick Swisher; DH, Hideki Matsui; SPs, Sabathia, Burnett, and Wang.

Even players like Mariano Rivera, Robinson Cano, and everybody's least favorite player, Melky Cabrera, who have played all their games in pinstripes were undrafted signees.

Ultimately, the Yankees have come to rely too much on paying for championships, and in today's baseball world that just doesn't work anymore.

Look at Tampa, who (as previously mentioned) won the AL East and made it to the World Series last year, and you'll see homegrown talent. Look at the team with the best record this season, the Dodgers, Manny Ramirez aside, that team is built mostly around homegrown talent.

Until the Yankees, take the emphasis off shelling out more money than any other team and instead focus on developing a minor league system that produces the majority of their team, they'll continue to lag far behind the Red Sox and wonder why they never make a championship run.

And, until then, I'll continue to compare them to Cooper Manning. Thank you very much!

--Originally posted at http://jtstally.blogspot.com/ --


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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
148 days ago
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New York spent a lot in the off-season, but I think their total payroll went down. They freed themselves from some oppressive contracts between '08 and '09.


The biggest difference between the two teams, IMO, has been the Red Sox recent ability to develop their own talent, and New York's inability. Lester, Papelbon, Pedroia, Youkilis, Ellsbury, Kottaras, Masterson, Delcarmen. Also, the Sox made some clever acquisitions to improve that bullpen, which was a major liability in '08.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
147 days ago
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I take exception to JD Drew being a bust. As an ex-Seminole player I may be biased, but he has had some big hits for them and I believe he only earns 1 million a year. Consider some of the other salaries.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
146 days ago
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It's $14M a year. 5 year deal, $70M total.
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Taytay 24All-American
146 days ago
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These things tend to be cyclical. The Yanks of the '90's were built on homegrown talent and Steinbrenner has tried (and failed, as is usually the case in this situations) to extend that run through free agency. Get cocky if you want, but you are going to look silly in a few years when the Sox are doing the same thing. Truth is, the Sox are on the same arc as the Yanks, just 8-10 years behind them. Maybe even worse, given that their payroll is significantly higher than New York's at a similar point in the process.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
146 days ago
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"Higher" payroll in a raw number sense, but relative to the Yankees, it's actually similar.


The '04 Championship Sox team was based around acquired talent. Schilling, Foulke, Ortiz, and even long-time Sox vets like Ramirez and Martinez. And in '07, it was Beckett and Lowell. But both Beckett and Lowell were acquired with the help of minor league talent (Hanley Ramirez+Anibel Sanchez).


With the Sox ability to spend more than most teams, they can do a better job of keeping their homegrown talent. Even if that well of talent dries up, they can acquire other pieces through free agency and trades, like they did in '04 and '07.


And I think it's a bit too early to presume the Sox are on the same course as the Yankees in the late '90s. The current Sox ownership and player development people have done nothing but build a solid system. Whereas Steinbrenner's short but successful tenure as a laissez-faire owner was more of an abnormality than his norm. And his sons are proof that apples don't fall far from their trees.


And if you don't get cocky when your team is a contender with a good amount of young talent, and a guy lighting AAA on fire is 7th on the pitching depth chart, when do you get cocky?
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Taytay 24All-American
146 days ago
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I didn't say don't get cocky.


Do you think this Sox run is going to last forever? Dominant teams come and go, just as I said at the beginning--these things tend to be cyclical. I saw it happen to my Cowboys in the 90's, it has happened to the Yankees, and yes, it will happen to the Red Sox and the Pats.


Boston fans have lived a sports fan's dream this decade--by all means, enjoy it. But I repeat: get cocky if you want, but you will look silly later. There's nothing wrong with a little grace--it might even reduce some of that Boston Backlash you guys complain about all the time.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
146 days ago
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Well I for one revel in the Boston Backlash. There's no backlash against towns with losing teams (See: Kansas City). But I also don't think the Red Sox are dominant. From 2003 to 2008, we have two WS titles, but also lost 2 ALCS, 1 ALDS, and didn't even make the playoffs in '06.


The Sox brass have stated that their goal is to make the playoffs 4 years out of 5. Then whatever happens, happens. But I think they'd be happy with 1 WS title in those 5 years. I know I would.


The Sox are extremely guarded with their minor league talent, particularly pitchers. They held on to Lester instead of trading him (and others) for Santana, for example. So I think the Sox will remain COMPETITIVE for a long time. They'll never be as dominant as the Yankees in the 90s, but they will win titles.


And if they don't? I've seen two Red Sox teams win World Series titles. That's two more than I expected, and one more than I could ever hope.
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Taytay 24All-American
146 days ago
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You say you revel in the backlash, and I'm sure you do, but you (and plenty of other Boston fans) do a lot of complaining about it, too. How many times have you brought up Belichick here? I realize grace isn't usually in the sports fan's DNA, and I think that's a shame.


And of course you are right about the lack of a Kansas City (for one example) backlash because they lose. But I would tend to believe that the backlash is not a reaction necessarily to winning but rather to obnoxious fans/players/coaches. For example, despite the recent successes of the Steelers and now the Penguins, we haven't seen much of a Pittsburgh backlash, have we?
I don't follow the Sox closely, but if what you say it true about their front office approach, they would appear to have a much healthier attitude than many of their fans. The Sox may not be a dynasty, but I don't think you can seriously argue that they haven't been dominant over the last five to seven years. Either way, despite the best efforts of the front office, they will fade. It happens to everybody. Players age, and eventually their isn't someone in the farm system to replace them. At that point, teams reach for free agents, which increases payroll, and suddenly you are the 2009 Yankees wondering what happened.
You final paragraph I think sums up my point. JTStally seems to be under the impression that the Yanks/Sox tide has turned and we are entering a new century of Sox dominance. You take a healthier approach: you enjoy the two titles the Sox have won in the Aughts and are content if there are no others in this cycle. I agree: even if the Sox crash and burn in five years and have to rebuild from scratch, it was all worth it to get not one, but two titles. Enjoy them.


I for one will enjoy watching the Red Sox next week: I've got tickets to the Tues and Thurs games versus the Nationals, and I'll be attending the Tues game with AGM's own BigPPup. I just wish both teams could aspire to being competitive.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
146 days ago
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It's one thing to hate Bill Belichick, but when the dude gets crap for not shaking hands "heartfeltedly" with Mangini, that's beyond hatred. That's bias. I relish the backlash, I fight the bias.
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Taytay 24All-American
146 days ago
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When someone brings it up, that's fine, Rawb. But you know who's bringing it up lately? Boston fans. That's what I'm trying to tell you--that's why I said "'How many times have YOU [emphasis added] brought up Belichick here?'".
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
146 days ago
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A lot. What's your point?
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Taytay 24All-American
146 days ago
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I'm not going to chase this rabbit anymore. Re-read my comments--it's all there.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
146 days ago
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I brought up Belichick when LeBron threw a hissy fit after losing to the Magic. I compared the reaction to a generally loved athlete's actions and a generally disliked coach's actions. As I mentioned earlier, I was trying to point out bias.


Boston Backlash is fine. People hating the Red Sox and Pats is good. Nobody hated the Pats much in the 80s or early 90s when they sucked. But when people start making sh*t up, or make mountains out of mole hills, that pisses me off. Like that whole Rams walkthrough thing. People took a rumor and believed it as fact.


And maybe it's me being a stupid Boston fan, but I don't see the big deal in bringing up Bill Belichick a lot. It seems to be fine if one is criticizing him for handshake technique.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
146 days ago
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And I know the walkthrough story was started by a Boston sportswriter. But the way it progressed as unquestioned fact (even though Belichick and the Pats repeatedly denied it) was what aggravated me.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
146 days ago
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Back to the article. Some of the names mentioned toward the end were funny to me. Damon went to New York for the money, after coming to Boston for the money. Teixeira went to New York for his wife, not the money. The Sox tried pretty hard to get him. And 2004 World Series MVP Manny Ramirez came to Boston for the money before leaving for the money.


Daisuke Matsuzaka, JD Drew, and Julio Lugo all came to Boston for the money. Varitek, Papelbon, Ortiz, and Lowell stayed for the money.


To me, the greatest advantage of homegrown talent is allowing more money to be freed up to spend on guys like Matsuzaka and Drew. And consequently allowing those acquisitions to fail without crippling the team. The Sox, for instance, are free to spend $14M on JD Drew, because Dustin Pedroia only makes $1.75M.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
145 days ago
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So... if I read this right, the Red Sox would own the Patriots, too?
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
145 days ago
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Monumental reach.


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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
145 days ago
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Monumental turd...
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HeywoodJablomeWaterboy
145 days ago
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go-fuck-yourself.jpg
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SSreportersLegend
145 days ago
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Right you are, Manny! In fact I'd go as far as saying he's a gigantic poop stain on ArmchairGM!
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
145 days ago
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That picture sure explains alot about your user name. Though I'm not sure if you are defending the Colts or Rawbee. or why... all of it seems interesting in an overwhelmingly non-heterosexual way. Either way, you should give credits when you steal other people's intellectual property and try to maintain the bounds of the Code of Conduct in the Article section. We'd like to have prospective new members believe there's SOME classy people sharing sports opinions and general fan banter here...
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
145 days ago
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Monumental comeback, Manny, a.k.a. Mister Originality.
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SSreportersLegend
145 days ago
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I totally Yakob with you, Manny. This site may be on the ropes but it is up to each and every one of us to uphold the high standards this site has built on the grounds of the founders. We should never resort to name-calling or drama.


WE MUST PROTECT THIS HOUSE!
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
145 days ago
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Code of conduct, Manny? You're hijacking threads and launching personal attacks. And enough with the gay crap. It's offensive, immature, and lame.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
145 days ago
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts about me, Troll. Seriously, despite my publically diagnosed egomania and inane ability to "Love me some me", you sure do think about me alot more than I do (or is it Brett Favre?) to comment about me SO MUCH. Maybe we should make a movie called "There's Something About Manny"...
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
145 days ago
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And a turd by any other name is clearly still a turd. That's not name calling.

Calling you "a Baby" would be... Perhaps you should direct some of your angst at Heywood instead of me. He pointed, I pointed it (C.O.C.) out and now you're blaming me? HA AHAA!

HYPOCRISY!!!

Trolly Trollster Trollburger!!!
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
145 days ago
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Perfect example of hijacking a thread there. Thanks, Manny.


This had been about the Red Sox, and certainly a little trash talking about the Patriots is fine. But your response to my response about the Patriots and Peyton Manning was to call me a turd.


And this isn't a sharing of my thoughts, merely a statement of facts.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
145 days ago
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Whatever you say, RawbeeJablome. Lame.
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HeywoodJablomeWaterboy
145 days ago
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you wish douchenozzle
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SSreportersLegend
145 days ago
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Alright HJ, lay off a bit okay? Don't fight fire with even more fire.


We'll handle this accordingly and with clear minds.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
145 days ago
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I certainly don't need to wish someone would blow me... especially in a forum full of almost all guys. I'll leave you to ponder that alone with your "hand".
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Tmil42AAA-er
145 days ago
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I despise Terrell Owens, but I do love me some me.
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