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Racing Roundup, August 5

by Thecrookedcap
created August 05, 2008, last edited February 10, 2009
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Welcome back to a look at all thing racing. I'm a little late this week, but there's plenty to talk about. F1 in Hungary, a NASCAR first, and a reaction to the 2009 IndyCar schedule.

Formula One

The Hungarian Grand Prix was a ho-hum affair as usual, with zero passing after lap 1. Polesitter Lewis Hamilton had a tire issue that forced him to pull his way back from 10th to finish 5th. Felipe Massa had a great start to jump from 3rd to 1st, and lead from there on out. That is, until his engine blew up with 3 laps to go. The beneficary of his engine failure? Heikki Kovalainen, who scored his maiden F1 victory in the process. Timo Glock, who ran up with the big boys in practice and qualifying, finished runner-up with Kimi Raikkonen squeezing out third.

Massa's Engine Failure:





Thoughts

  • Really, why do we race in Hungary anymore? The original intent was to race behind the Iron Curtain, but that hasn't been relevant in almost 20 years now. Either some really rich Hungarian is throwing a lot of money into this thing, or they have some great blackmail pictures of Bernie Ecclestone.
  • How do you know if a race track is rubbish? If the feeder series can't pass, then you've got a problem. No one really gained positions on the track unless somebody made a mistake in that race too.
  • I wonder if anyone was kicking themselves for turning off the race prior to Felipe Massa's engine failure. I know I was busy looking at my computer screen for much of the race, but timed my look back just at the nick of time to see a Ferrari with a cloud behind it.
  • You have to feel bad for Massa since he lost the win on something that was really out of his control. He's now third in points, however if he had won he would be leading Lewis Hamilton in the Drivers' Championship by three. Now he's down by eight.

NASCAR Nationwide Series

"Rain" and "NASCAR" goes as well together as chocolate and salmon. Or Brett Favre and decisiveness. But when the Nationwide cars went to Montreal, rain became an option. For the first time in NASCAR history, a race for points was run on rain tires. Road course ringer and Canadian Ron Fellows scored his fourth career Nationwide victory (his other three were at Watkins Glen) by pitting off sequence and leading when the race was ultimately called after the rain got torrential. For the second year in a row, Patrick Carpentier finished second in Montreal, however this year he was the top finishing Sprint Cup regular. Marcos Ambrose was third.

Thoughts

Jacques Villeneuve driving in the rain
Jacques Villeneuve driving in the rain
  • Kudos to NASCAR for actually trying the rain tires. In talking with some of the non-road course ringers, it was clear they were looking forward to the challenge.
  • The one thing NASCAR dropped the ball with was the length of the red flag delay to get the cars ready for the rain. They said it would be three minutes, but it turned out to be more like 30. Good thing the X Games were on so I had something to watch in the meantime.
  • Good to know the rumor that rain tires did not exist is false. I had previously heard that they had rain tires made, but they had expired before they ever got to use them.
  • Ambrose deserved to win this race (two years in a row on that one too). He dominated the field in the rain, only to get beaten by the red flag and the pit speeds.
  • They say that racing in the rain proves the great drivers. In that case, Joey Logano showed that the hype around him is legit. Despite being 18 and never driving a road course before, he was driving up with the lead pack. A pack that included a 24 Hours of Le Mans class winner (Fellows), a five time CART winner (Carpentier), a V8 Supercar champ (Ambrose), and a Formula One World Champion (Jacques Villeneuve). It's unfortunate Logano fell victim to the torrential rains (indeed, his crash probably clinched the end of the race) that made driving the track unsafe.

NASCAR Sprint Cup

The big boys were at the triangle of Pocono Raceway for the Pennsylvania 500. Rain stopped the race at one points (no rain tires here). Carl Edwards took the victory, opting to pit prior to the rain delay, then making his fuel last better than pole sitter and fellow contender Jimmie Johnson. Tony Stewart finished second, while Johnson was third, crawling to the finish line after running out of fuel.

Thoughts

  • Another race at Pocono, another thing to gripe about. Whenever the series gets to the Poconos this seems to happen. It is one of the hardest races of the season, since no car can be perfect in each of the three turns (all three are banked differently and the straightaways are not the same length either). But for once, I can agree with a complaint. The races at Pocono are too damn long. Under green flag conditions, running 500 miles here takes longer than any other 500 mile race by a good half hour. Considering that Sprint Cup races take upwards of three hours anyway, that it way too much.
  • After last week's issues at Indianapolis, it is a good step for NASCAR that they and Goodyear are going to do additional testing at IMS for next year's race. A big reason, in my opinion, for the problems was a lack of testing this season, which was not only limited but did not even include one of the manufacturers (Ford). The more testing they do, the better off 2009's event will be.

IndyCar

No racing, just the new schedule. The 2009 edition will be relatively similar.

  • Nashville is the only event dropped this year, which has been replaced by the Toronto Street Circuit.
  • Motegi, Homestead, and Mid-Ohio moved on the schedule. Mid-Ohio moves back to August, while Motegi and Homestead are provisionally the last two races of the year.

Once it was announced, every message board hound and blogger trounced the schedule. IndyCar officials are in a very difficult position, trying to cater to a wide variety of folks, but seeming to please no one.

While I'm not 100% happy, I am not upset by it either. What they got right was the number of races for 2009. 18 (or 19, if they confirm Surfers Paradise for '09) is ideal for next year in an effort to retain as many ex-Champ Car teams as possible. As part of the merger this year, a lot of equipment and engines were leased to teams for free by the Indy Racing League. However, they will not recieve this next year, so it may be tougher for some teams to stick it out. By keeping the number of races stable, they can keep operating budgets lower and be more likely to find a willing sponsor to keep up racing.

I am disappointed not to see Cleveland or Road America, two of the better Champ Car tracks remaining, not on the schedule. For Cleveland, it's understandable (Mid-Ohio is an obstacle), while Road America never seemed to be in discussion. Hopefully they'll find homes within the next few years.

My only concern with the schedule is in the number of street and road circuits compared to ovals. At this point, it's 10 ovals to 8 right turners. To me, this ratio is perfect. We've seen more and more right turners on the schedule, and my concern is that they will soon outnumber ovals. I love road racing, but it is an acquired taste for many American racing fans. The ovals are critical to keeping IndyCar in the eyes of the American racing public.

Congrats

  • Congrats to Lucas di Grassi and Sebastien Buemi, who won the GP2 races at Hungary this weekend. di Grassi won the Feature race, while Buemi took the Sprint race crown.
  • In the rally world, congrats to Sebastien Loeb, who won Rally Finland. The four-time defending World Rally Champion is now one point behind Mikko Hirvonen in the standings.
  • In the Grand-Am Rolex Sports Car Series, congrats to Mark Wilkins and Brian Frisselle of AIM Motorsport, who were the overall winners in the series stop at Montreal. The race finish was exciting, as the race leader ran out of gas on the final straight away and crawl to the line in third, while the AIM Motorsports car beat the Cheever Racing entry piloted by Antonio Garcia and Christian Fittipaldi to the line.
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Pittsburgh GunnyMajor Leaguer
461 days ago
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Great stuff as always crookedcap.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
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Indeed.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
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Many many responses to things mentioned here:

Hungary - we race there because they pay £30m per year for a race or something like that. Their contract is up at the end of 2009 though, so we might not have to endure it for too much longer. That and Catalunya are the worst circuits in F1 in terms of overtaking now. Like you say, even GP2 couldn't overtake at Hungaroring, and that's normally packed with it.

Perfect result for Hamilton! He was better with what happened than if he finished 2nd behind Massa, so I'll settle for that. Although, I do like Massa, and it's a shame for him. If I had a choice of 1-2 this season, it would be Massa and Hamilton in some order. Kimi seems a bit bland, whereas Massa would be so good if he had some luck. I watched the race throughout (bar the commercial breaks, roll on the BBC in 2009 when we don't have to see them anymore).

It took half an hour to put rain tyres on?!

The Indy Schedule: I think 18 is good for now. Cleveland won't get a race while Mid-Ohio does (perhaps they could alternate?). Going forward, 20 is a good number, and I think Surfers' Paradise and Road America are the top 2 in the list to join the IRL. That puts the schedule at half ovals and half road courses. Going forward further, why not a race in Brazil? There are lots of Brazilian drivers, so it would be successful. It's still on the American Continent, too. They could maybe rotate the Canadian races around at Edmonton and Toronto, and then race at Interlagos (used for Formula One). I'd be confident of it getting a good audience, too. I think the idea of circuit rotation is a good way to develop the series at different circuits, however. That way, you can get places like Nashville back on the calendar. Also, like rotating Cleveland and Mid-Ohio, and others, you can get an equal number of races in each state each season. That may be of benefit.

As for the Rally of Finland, nice to see rallying mentioned! Well done to Loeb too, closing the gap on Hirvonen. Also, I think he was the first non-Finnish winner of that rally ever! (I think Markko Martin may have won it once, he was Estonian.)
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ThecrookedcapAll-Star
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Racing overseas can be difficult, since many of the sponsors don't like it. If you don't do business outside North America, they often feel like its a waste of their money. If they could get a company to fund the race and the logistics, a la the way Honda pays for the Motegi race, it could happen. Like you said, we lots of Brazil drivers to promote it (many from Sao Paolo) and it's a TV-friendly time zone for US audiences. If there is going to be a race in Latin America though, it is far more likely to be in Mexico City.
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Alex HolowczakHall of Famer
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Perhaps, but my feeling is that a race in Brazil would be more successful. The crowd will flock to see the home racers. You wouldn't get that in Mexico City. As for the sponsorships, you're right, but I can't see 1 race out of 20 being a huge problem. There are so many races in North America that I don't see one fewer being too much of a deal for sponsorships. The Brazilian crowd loves it too. The fans are always passionate, enthusiastic and well behaved. Mexico City wouldn't have nearly the same appeal. Also, the GP track at Interlagos is one of the shorter circuits, which fits in nicely with the Indycar theme of having road circuits which are slightly shorter than F1 circuits. I don't see travelling being a problem, it's not overseas etc. I really think a race in Brazil would work well, much better than a race in Mexico City.
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