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Bravesgirl85
i live, eat and sleep sports. one day i hope to write about it. so i write this blog hoping that one day someone will see my greatness. i'm not to ready to give up because my sports legends never gave up. jackie robinson paved the way. jordan never gave up when they said he was too small. kay yow fought till the end. I'll keep fighting until one day i'm a top notch sports writer for a newspaper or some journal. so when you you read my blogs, you'll get to know a little bit more about me: the fire, the heart, the determination, the wit, the humor, and the depth that lives within me. like i said before, i live, eat and sleep sports. Come get some. :)

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Public Opinion: Setting the Example in the Sporting World

by Bravesgirl85
created August 04, 2009, last edited September 03, 2009
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An absence of something usually makes the heart grow fonder.  In my case, it is making my heart weaker without any regret of missing something that I love so greatly.  I’ve been away from sports since midway through May.  After my cross-country road trip, a couple months of working at a camp and after a week of relaxing, I have come back to the world of sports to find out: the people in power are seemingly getting out of control because of public opinion.

Public opinion says if the public doesn’t agree with it, then more than likely it is wrong.  However, public opinion isn’t always right and, for that matter, the majority isn’t always right.  If so, we would still have slavery in America and a woman’s place would still be solely in the house.  Oh my, the time is changing in place.

The calendar seems to be moving but the people in power still hold tradition close to their hearts.  The person with the title says what goes, but the person in power is usually swayed by what others think i.e. public opinion.  They have not grasped the concept of Machiavelli’s question: “Is it better to be loved or feared?”

While searching for the perfect balance, the Western Athletic Conference (WAC) and Roger Goodell, the NFL Commissioner, is choosing to be feared.  They have taken it upon themselves to mishandle every problem that they have seen in recent months.

The WAC is choosing to further punish Hawaii’s head football coach, Greg McMackin, for using a gay slur.  I would take the time to say the slur, but I do not wish to ruin a career before it gets started.  During the WAC annual football media preview, McMackin said the Fighting Irish did a ------ dance.  [ Inserting personal opinion: the only thing good that has come from the Fighting Irish in the past decade has been re-runs of the movie “Rudy.”]  Anyway, McMackin admitted his wrongdoing and takes a 7% pay cut on his salary of $1.1 million dollars. 

In the meantime, WAC rushed into the situation that had been handled properly by McMackin and says, “We do not condone this type of verbiage.  We are above making accidents as heinous as saying a slur.  We need to make someone that is overly remorseful feel even worse because we are in power.”  Idiots. 

McMackin is suspended for 30 days without pay to set an example that we will not tolerate any type of mistake.  Football fans know that NCAA football is without any flaws, wink wink!  Still yet, WAC needed to make its presence known like Goddell does in the NFL.

Goodell is trying to appear better than his predecessor, Paul Tagliabue.  In doing so, he has made the wrong call on Michael Vick and is more than likely headed in the direction of making the wrong call on Plaxico Burress.  

Michael Vick went to prison for 23 months for his involvement in a dog fighting ring in Virginia.  He has since been punished by the NFL and by the law.  However, in his return to civility, he is still being punished for the wrongs he has admitted to and for wrongs that he has already served time off the field and behind bars.  So when Goodell conditionally reinstated Vick, it was a notion of hypocrisy. 

How much can we punish someone after the law has already punished him?  Are we, the people outside of the law, meant to be the judge of another man’s rehabilitation?  No, we can merely interject our personal opinion.  However, when personal opinion or office talk leads to ridiculous office laws, then the office head should be thrown out. 

Say goodbye to WAC Commissioner, Karl Benson, and Goodell.  When you are not fit to stand on your own, whether the public opinion agrees or disagrees with you, then you are not fit to run your own leagues. 

You guys fumbled the ball.  McMackin was a character guy that made a mistake, admitted to his mistake, and reprimanded himself.  He didn’t kill anyone.  Vick is a guy that made a huge mistake by being a part of the dog fighting ring.  He went to jail.  He was released and is now working to spread the awareness of animal safety.  Plaxico Burress is a different story.  However, there is something called due process in America.  We cannot sentence a person to a crime before a court that our fore-fathers set up to instill justice sets his punishment.  May Goodell allow the justice system to determine anymore punishment for Burress.  

In the end, my words are not saying that I agree with their wrongdoings, but it is to say that the punishment must match the crime and that our leaders must be able to withstand public opinion.  Because power, the essential show of money, title and ego, has taken over our sporting world.  It is thrown to the side of public opinion and a sturdy hand, which is breaking down the strength of true character, humility and redemption.   


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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
118 days ago
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Most people are wrong most of the time.

A person can be smart, but people are always stupid.

The law and "Public Relations" (a.k.a. 'politics') are not very good bedfellows.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
118 days ago
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:that's my way of saying "great article".
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Davis21wylieMVP
118 days ago
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The comments have been deleted... Do we ban HeywoodJablome as well, since it looked like the commenters were either his sockpuppets or connected to him in some other way?
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SSreportersLegend
118 days ago
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Those aren't him.

I think they're guys created to respond to his username.


Whatever he's just being himself. Just ignore him if you have a problem with Heywood.
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Davis21wylieMVP
118 days ago
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This isn't personal or anything -- I just think it's weird that those 2 guys we banned for 48 hrs last week, all of these "users" pretending to be Al Jefferson, and god knows who else we've had to ban have suddenly come to the site in the time since HJ showed up. Is that a coincidence? I don't think so.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
118 days ago
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What the hell is going on? Why does this garbage keep surfacing here? Would anyone who can delete comments please delete all of this crap, including my request to have this crap deleted? Why have ignorant asswipes of the world converged here?
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
118 days ago
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Oh - and I think a ban of these two users is in order. And you can ban me as well if you like for using the term 'asswipe' - which I have now used twice. But I stand by it as it totally applies here. BravesGirl, you deserve better than this.
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SSreportersLegend
118 days ago
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They were banned for life hours ago.
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SSreportersLegend
118 days ago
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BTW I'm asking Romi to delete these comments.


I'm getting annoyed by these characters that have been popping up.
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Manny StilesMajor Leaguer
118 days ago
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Wow. I have a fan club? Good thing the site records IP addresses when people upload avatars off their computer, eh? Wish I had a smart fan club.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
118 days ago
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Well argued and thought provoking. And I will add that I dislike Notre Dame so much that I even hate "Rudy"


I think the NCAA punishing anyone for exercising bad judgment is kind of funny.
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Steel TownDraft Pick
117 days ago
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Well done Bravesgirl.
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Taytay 24All-American
117 days ago
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Others have said this article is well argued, but I must respectfully disagree.

Oh my, the time is changing in place. What does this even mean?

They have not grasped the concept of Machiavelli’s question: "Is it better to be loved or feared?" It would appear that they have since Machiavelli concluded it was best to be feared.

So when Goodell conditionally reinstated Vick, it was a notion of hypocrisy. Hypocrisy? Does Goodell run a dog ring, too?

You don’t tell us why these decisions are "ridiculous", only that you disagree with them.

McMackin was a character guy that made a mistake, admitted to his mistake, and reprimanded himself. He didn’t kill anyone. So would thirty days have been appropriate in that case (Stallworth’s precedent notwithstanding)? It’s great McMackin admitted his mistake and imposed his own punishment, but Benson thought it was insufficient. This happens all the time. As for Vick, I have heard it argued that the suspension is not necessarily for the dog fighting, but for lying to Goodell about it when it first came to light. Maybe, maybe not. But Goodell has met with Vick personally, and I’ll assume you haven’t. Maybe Goodell thinks Vick isn’t quite ready. More likely, you are right that this is based on public opinion—that Goodell thinks the league needs to take a stand, just as he has done is numerous other cases the last few years. So what’s wrong with that? A few, like you, have complained, but most people seem to agree with Goodell. Certainly there haven’t been any boycotts or protests over these decisions. Goodell is simply protecting the NFL brand.

When you are not fit to stand on your own… According to you? Ironic: an article blasting two people for making "ridiculous" decisions regarding punishment unilaterally decides they are not fit to work and calls for their jobs.
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Bravesgirl85Waterboy
112 days ago
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Others have said this article is well argued, but I must respectfully disagree.

Oh my, the time is changing in place. What does this even mean? It implies that the time is moving but people are still holding fast to their old ways.

They have not grasped the concept of Machiavelli’s question: "Is it better to be loved or feared?" It would appear that they have since Machiavelli concluded it was best to be feared.

Wrong. Machiavelli realized that it was better to be balanced. That's why a leader wanted both. That's why balance is a good thing. However, if you weren't balanced, it was better to be feared, and that's what the WAC and Goodell want to be.

So when Goodell conditionally reinstated Vick, it was a notion of hypocrisy. Hypocrisy? Does Goodell run a dog ring, too?

It was as if the price he paid for the crime was being reserved, hypocrisy.

You don’t tell us why these decisions are "ridiculous", only that you disagree with them.

If you can't read, get out of here. I've stated these decisions were ridiculous because the punishment does not match the crime. That's my problem, a heavy hand of public opinion has caused the leaders of the sporting world to rule in a manner that is no longer just.

McMackin was a character guy that made a mistake, admitted to his mistake, and reprimanded himself. He didn’t kill anyone. So would thirty days have been appropriate in that case (Stallworth’s precedent notwithstanding)? It’s great McMackin admitted his mistake and imposed his own punishment, but Benson thought it was insufficient. This happens all the time. As for Vick, I have heard it argued that the suspension is not necessarily for the dog fighting, but for lying to Goodell about it when it first came to light. Maybe, maybe not. But Goodell has met with Vick personally, and I’ll assume you haven’t. Maybe Goodell thinks Vick isn’t quite ready. More likely, you are right that this is based on public opinion—that Goodell thinks the league needs to take a stand, just as he has done is numerous other cases the last few years. So what’s wrong with that? A few, like you, have complained, but most people seem to agree with Goodell. Certainly there haven’t been any boycotts or protests over these decisions. Goodell is simply protecting the NFL brand. When you are not fit to stand on your own… According to you? Ironic: an article blasting two people for making "ridiculous" decisions regarding punishment unilaterally decides they are not fit to work and calls for their jobs.

If the McMackin shit wasn't sufficient beforehand that freakin 30 days suspension was over the top freakin insane. Freedom of speech gives me the right to tell you to freak off, but if I offend you too much and I have a high title I should get fined or fired for calling you an idiot, whether I am right or not is a moot point. The NFL brand is made up of rich guys with talents that have committed the most heinous acts in which they are forgiven. Don't look to sports for heroes. The NFL brand is to make money not sell good character guys. It calls for their job not because the public is calling for it but because a leader must know when to lead and when to follow and when one doesn't know or isn't capable of doing so than he/she isn't fit to lead. Calling someone a nappy headed hoe or a faggot doesn't quiet fit the problem of leading. It fits the fact that people are too freakin sensitive.
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Taytay 24All-American
111 days ago
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I did a Google search for "time is changing in place". I realize this isn't scientific research, but do you know how many hits I got? "the+time+is+changing+in+place"&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a One. Congratulations on being not only the top hit, but the only hit. Can I string together random words too?


You are still wrong on Machiavelli. Sure, it's better to be balanced, but he says that since that is usually not possible for a leader, it is better to err on the side of feared. And who says they aren't balanced anyway? Just you.
"It was as if the price he paid for the crime was being reserved, hypocrisy."Again, this makes no sense. I won't bother to Google it, too.
Sure, you said the punishment didn't match the crime, but you give no evidence, other than your opinion. If you want to make a convincing argument, tell us HOW the punishment doesn't fit the crime, because it appears the vast majority of your audience thinks it fit just fine, and it's going to take more than your saying so to convince us.
"Freedom of speech gives me the right to tell you to freak off, but if I offend you too much and I have a high title I should get fined or fired for calling you an idiot, whether I am right or not is a moot point." Didn't this just contradict your whole post? And I suggest you look into the concept of Freedom of Speech--it's clear you don't quite get it.
I don't look to sports for heroes, but thugs going unchecked hurt the bottom line, particularly when the public has made their opinion known. To say otherwise is not realistic.


"If you can't read, get out of here." I read just fine--I'm an English teacher who grades papers for a living. And I also like to think that I have a reputation here of being civil and reasonable, which is why this particular statement from you is particularly uncalled for. I have tried to give you an honest evaluation of your argument in an attempt for you to strengthen it and you have declined this chance. That's fine: it's your choice. But I'm not going to beat my head against the wall with your articles anymore. Good luck.
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CheezerAll-Star
111 days ago
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In my opinion, TayTay24 is one of the more logical, open minded, even tempered posters on this site. It would behoove Bravesgirl85 to heed his words and exchange ideas in an intelligent fashion rather than get defensive. I will not even address the ad honimem attacks.

He is right too. In this exchange:

TayTay24, "You don’t tell us why these decisions are "ridiculous", only that you disagree with them."

Bravesgirl 85: "If you can't read, get out of here. I've stated these decisions were ridiculous because the punishment does not match the crime. That's my problem, a heavy hand of public opinion has caused the leaders of the sporting world to rule in a manner that is no longer just." I don't think the question was ever answered.

I recommend that Bravesgirl85 ask herself the 5 whys?
These men are idiots. Why?
Because their decision are ridiculous. Why?
Because the punishment does not match the crime. Why?...
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
111 days ago
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And when does punishment ever "match the crime?" You steal from someone, so you go to jail. That someone doesn't get to steal from you.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
117 days ago
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Why is it that everyone who isn't a murderer is suddenly a good guy/gal? "It's not like he killed anyone" is becoming an overly used term of PRAISE, and it's really starting to piss me off.


Had McMackin said something like "they dance like n******" would anyone have come to his defense apart from the KKK? He got off light for saying such a blatantly derogatory thing in a public setting, especially in one of the most liberal states in the country. And how come people are saying "He said something stupid." Again, if somebody used the N word like he used the F word, would you call it "stupid" or "hateful?"


I shed no tears for Michael Vick. I don't think his crime was heinous enough to warrant a longer jail term, but the NFL can do whatever it wants to him. Vick dragged the Falcons and the League through the mud with his lawbreaking. A 4 game suspension, in my opinion, is getting off light. He's still allowed to make a living playing football, he just has to wait 4 weeks.
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Bravesgirl85Waterboy
112 days ago
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why? because a murder takes away someone right to live. frankly, it's not a praise, it's an observation. i'd rather hang out with someone who kicked a dog than someone who murdered his entire family. you would do the same. don't say you wouldn't.

McMackin could have said N***** and I would have said the same thing. I'm black and I have better things to do than to be sad about someone using the N word.

Vick's was dumb for having the dog ring but that doesn't mean Goodell can levy crazy suspensions. VIck will serve it without complaining to continue to prove his remorsefulness, because we, the society, can determine when someone has served there time.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
112 days ago
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I never even came close to suggesting murder wasn't worse than dog fighting. But you can be a scumbag without committing murder. The phrase "it's not like he killed someone" is nothing but naive BS. I'd rather not hang out with either the dog fighter or the murderer. Both crimes are on different levels of heinousness, but both are still heinous.


So you think had McMackin used the N word, everyone else would be as forgiving as you? You think Al Sharpton would have ignored it? How about the President? My point was that McMackin used a word that's considered hate speech, and he said it in a very public setting. When you do that, you sort of leave yourself open for punishment. At the very least, he's an idiot for using that word in public, and should be punished for being an idiot.


Vick's been punished by society. He's paid his price... to society. But he hasn't paid his price to the NFL. The NFL is a private organization. Being an NFL player is a PRIVILEGE not a right.


Vick wasn't just dumb for having the dog ring. He was felonious, as in criminal, as in breaking the law. He didn't just make a mistake. He went out of his way to break the law. The NFL cares about its image more than any other sports league in the universe, and Vick's actions potentially tarnished that image.


And in the end, it's only 4 games. A month into the season, which is about 2 months from now, it will be over.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
112 days ago
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And Vick didn't just kick a dog. Now you're not only forgiving what he did, you're trying to minimize it. He tortured dogs for fun. He killed dogs.
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The oldest manVarsity
117 days ago
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Raw, you took the words right out of my mouth. Vick should have or could have gotten a lot more and not just from Goodell. The fact he lied to the fans, the owner, the commissioner and most likely his own lawyer really states it all. The punishment here did fit the crime and yes according to the league guidelines, Roger Goodell, could do anything to Vick that he wanted and not just for his conviction of dog fighting and animal endangerment. By telling Goodell before hand he wasn't in the dog adventures he, Michael Vick, shot himself in his own foot. He gets convicted of the Dog fighting problem and then Atlanta and the NFL go after him for misrepresenting himself and lying to the league and the players association. Does he deserve a second chance, yes, I believe he does but not until he really has made his peace with the league and Goodell and most of all the fans. Every team in the NFL would love to have him on it, but the problems with that is nobody wants the headache putting him on the field will bring. The Fans, TV, Writers, Sports people and most of all sponsors don't want to be associated with a dog killer and what ever else the term brings with it.
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JuTMSY4Legend
117 days ago
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What makes you think (or for that matter why?) Vick would lie "to his own lawyer"
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Bravesgirl85Waterboy
108 days ago
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Why are these men idiots? These men are idiots because they failed to execute the right decision making skills. In my opinion, they let the media decide on the severity of the punishments they handed down to their employees.

Why are the decision ridiculous? The decisions are ridiculous because the punishments seemingly do not match the crimes.

How do the punishments not match the crimes? Well, history in the NFL and NCAA football has shown us that crimes far more heinous have been committed and the punishments bestowed on the guilty have not been so severe i.e. Stallworth's DUI and manslaughter case-resulting in what is essentially a sixteen game suspension and Hayes, the legendary Ohio football coach, didn't get fired until he punched a Clemson football player. Compared these two incidents to the incidents of McMackin and Vick and you have cases that show that what Stallworth and Hayes did was far more detrimental to the image to the perspective program and organization than killing a few dogs and saying the word faggot.

Note: I do not dislike dogs or animals. I realize that a pet can be an important part of a family. And having said that, I still believe a human's life should weigh more important than an animal's life.

Note: I still believe that we as a society have gotten too insensitive on the use of certain words.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
108 days ago
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Well weighing the morality of punching a man compared to killing a dog is difficult. Obviously a man is more important than a dog, but punching and killing are just as obviously different crimes.


Just keeping it with Vick, I don't see what the big problem is with the NFL punishing him. It's a private company, and Vick will still be able to make millions of dollars for playing football in it. And it's not like he didn't know what he was doing was illegal. I don't hate Michael Vick, I probably wouldn't boo Michael Vick (but I would boo the Eagles), but I don't feel sorry for Vick at all.
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JuTMSY4Legend
108 days ago
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Do the crime, do the time. You think Gordon Gecko can just go back to buying stock in NASA (sic) once he walks?
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
108 days ago
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I thought he sold NASA stocks short after the Challenger disaster?
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Bravesgirl85Waterboy
107 days ago
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i was comparing the college incidents with each other and vice versa for the NFL one.
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CheezerAll-Star
105 days ago
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When do we get to draw a new line in the sand? Must the punishments get lighter and lighter over time because precedent has been set? You say, "...history in the NFL and NCAA football has shown us that crimes far more heinous have been committed and the punishments bestowed on the guilty have not been so severe." I agree that is the case. However, what if Goodell wants to say that enough is enough and wants to impose stricter punishments. Isn't that allowed?

Let's say that I agree about the punishment severity for Stallworth and Hayes is too light. Must it follow that all subsequent punishments be too light?

Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Bravesgirl85Waterboy
88 days ago
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I like what you are saying. Goodell is allowed to impose stricter punishments. I just want to see that the punishment is equal to the crime, that's it. No matter the level of crime, I want to see fair and just punishment and not erratic punishments that appear to be based on what the public opinion is and not necessarily on what the leaders believe.
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