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Mike Frangione has engaged himself in the noble calling of sportswriting over the years (1991-1997, and again in 2007), enjoying two stints covering (stringing) High School sports for my local newspaper in South Jersey. That was a great learning experience and also a great deal of fun.

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Phillies Pitchers Acquit Themselves In Wins Over Padres, Cubs & Cards; Halladay Still On The Offing

by Sj-hypocycloid
created July 27, 2009, last edited August 27, 2009
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Good news for the Phillies this past week, as they took two games apiece from the two best teams the NL Central has to offer - the Cardinals and the Cubs. This, after starting July by ripping the reeling Mets, taking three of four from Cincinnati, pummeling the triple A Pirates and throwing the Marlins back to sea. Oh, and they also scored a win against the hapless and Jake Peavy-full (how ya likin' Philadelphia now?) Padres.

Prior to the Cubs and St. Louis wins, Philadelphia sports radio and my fellow fans were quick to tell me that the Phils weren't beating anybody and haven't really been tested yet. So they go out and clobber the Cubs 10-1 behind a strong 6-inning outing from Rodrigo Lopez, who is 3-0 with a 2.60 ERA, but more importantly than that, is enjoying a ridiculous amount of run support. Including the 14-6 pasting of the not-as-impressive-as-I-was-told-they-were Cardinals, Lopez has enjoyed a 31-9 edge in runs scored in his three wins.

The guy who is quickly becoming my favorite Phils pitcher, Joe Blanton, pitched 7 innings of 1-run baseball against the Cubs in a game the Phils eventually won in 13 innings on a Jayson Werth 3-run walk-off homer. He then followed this up with an 8-inning gem against the Cardinals (limiting the 3-4-5 hitters to 2-for-10 in the game), scattering seven hits and surrendering only two earned runs. Blanton's last four outings have all been at least seven innings, and have resulted in three wins, four earned runs and much-needed relief for a well used Phillies bullpen.

Unfortunately, Jamie Moyer has not fared as well. His last four starts have been uneven to say the least. He's 3-1 over that span, but he surrendered 1, 6, 0 and 4 earned runs and 22 hits in those games. His ERA is well north of five and he is routinely only getting five or six innings into games. He pitches tomorrow against the Diamondbacks, so we'll see where he is after that. If the every other game thing holds, he should throw a good game.

Cole Hamels is the most disconcerting pitcher on the Phils staff. He, Like Moyer, has been up and down and all over the place. He's 2-1 over the past five games, but he's been so inconsistent, it's hard to imagine he's the Phillies ace pitcher. His ERA has been dropping lately, and he's on the good side of a Moyer-like every other game rhythm, so I am hoping to see something more like 2008 Hamels and less like the 2009 edition.

And finally, no discussion of Phillies pitching would be complete without a mention of J.A. Happ. Here's a guy who is 7-1 and gets no respect from the Philly radio stations. Would-be sports talk show host Mike Missanelli has dismissed Happ, saying that he hasn't beaten anybody. Whatever - Happ has pitched well in July, Earning two wins and having pitched well enough in two other games to have earned two more wins (3 and 2 earned runs, both in seven innings of work).

Why All The Talk About Phillies Pitching?

Roy Halladay, of course. It's plain to even the most ardent Phillies fan that they could surely use a legit #1 starting pitcher like Halladay. Unfortunately, the Blue Jays have rejected a 4-for-1 offer from the Phils that included Happ and prospects Michael Taylor, Carlos Carrasco and Jason Donald. Even though I would prefer that the Phillies not let Happ go, it would be foolish to not make an offer. I'm also leery of an offer that would include both Kyle Drabek and Happ, so I am glad that the Phils also seem unwilling to part with both.

Like a lot of Phillies fans, the aforementioned Missanelli dismisses any and all talk that does not result in Halladay coming to Philadelphia. It seems that he'd be fine with giving Toronto Happ, Drabek, Taylor, Carrasco and Donald. I am not so comfortable with that. But maybe I shouldn't be so worried. The Phils have a deep farm system now, and they've drafted fairly well in recent times. Perhaps they could make this trade, go for that 2nd consecutive World Series win and everybody would love them for making such a bold move. Halladay in Philly. Sounds great - but is it too high a cost? I'm glad I don't have to make this call.

The Sad Truth In Philadelphia

Mike Missanelli is the #1 sports radio show host for the evening drive time in Philly. To fully appreciate how sad this truly is, you'd need to understand how bad his competition, Howard Eskin, is. Eskin's had it pretty good in Philly for quite some time, being the default sports personality in this town. It's pretty sad, because he's as lame, if not lamer, than Missanelli. Anyone who wonders why Philly fans can sometimes be so aggressive, moody and somewhat belligerent need look no further than the state of Philly sports radio to know why that is. And don't even get me started about Angelo Cataldi and how sad and annoying his mind-numbing morning show is. Take my word for it...it's bad.

Why Bother Doing A Proper Representation?

Really - why bother with facts when you can just generalize and make up crap? This, apparently, is the approach that Philadelphia Daily News columnist Stu Bykofsky took for his July 23rd 'column'. It includes such 'factual' and 'professional' content as " I DON'T have a blog. If I did blog, this is what it would be like. (To make it seem like a real blog, I'll include typos and factual errors.) " I guess I shouldn't be surprised that unwarranted attacks on blogs would continue as newspapers shut down and readership drops. Seriously, why would I think that a guy who's been a columnist for 22 years would bother with professionalism? Stupid generalizations are so much easier to write. IMHO.

Resources: ESPN and philly.com


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JuTMSY4Legend
124 days ago
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The Cards probably weren't as good as you thought because the Phillies had the pleasure of facing their 3-4-5 (Pineiro, who won, Lohse and Wellemeyer, who's sucked this year).

I like J.A. Happ, but he's not special. Roy Halladay is special; the kind of special player who helps you win it all. If Hamels can put it together by September (perhaps a DL stint?) and Blanton can stay lights out (he's the best pitcher on this staff right now), that's a nasty 1-2-3. And Pedro or Lopez (especially right now) could be competent #4s.

This team's getting a lot of quality pitching from players I'd prefer not to trust.

Drabek and Taylor have a chance to be special players. Carrasco has been a rumor to show up in the majors for years now...wonder why he hasn't. I still like Jason Donald, but with Rollins entrenched at short (and Utley at 2nd), he could go. Then again, a la Curt Schilling: all these players could suck (Omar Daal where are you?!).

And finally, I don't think Mikey Miss is the #1 afternoon drive guy. That's still Eskin right (even though he's a bigger dick than Missanelli)?
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
124 days ago
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Who are the Cards 1 and 2 pitchers? Carpenter and Wainwright? I'll take my chances with the Phils lineup against those two. That lineup took it to Santana, Beckett and Zambrano. If the pitchers can control Pujols (and, now, Holliday), then the Cardinals are at best no better than the Phillies. IMHO...


I can see both sides of the Happ/Halladay thing. I think I am hung up on Happ because we so rarely see a good pitcher come from the Phillies farm system. I'd agree that I would love to see Halladay here, but I also think that Toronto is being ridiculous about it. The four person deal that was proposed was a pretty good offer for Toronto, considering that there aren't that many other comparable offers out there. I'd sacrifice Happ to get Halladay, but I'd rather not have to sacrifice both Happ and Drabek.


As for the drive guy, Mikey Miss has been touting for a few weeks about how the numbers are in and he has overtaken Eskin. Again, this just emphasizes what we have to put up with in Philly.
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JuTMSY4Legend
124 days ago
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Fair enough. Sports Radio (ugh) "is what it is." They're like the original bloggers, who run with every little story and are very opinionated.

Anyway, We didn't see Carpenter and Wainwright, so I'm withholding judgement.

Happ's still, at best, 1 year into the majors (he had a few spot starts last year). There's not a lot of film on him still and we already kinda new he was a good prospect from the start. But he's not an ace (I think we agree there). And as much as you don't want to be the guy who trades Jeff Bagwell for Larry Andersen, you can't be afraid for two reasons:

Prospects don't pan out more often then they do

"You play to win the game!": Rather, if you're not trying to win World Series Titles, what are you doing? Halladay gives you that chance. Who knows where this team will be by the time Drabek is ready? Howard and Hamels could be gone, Ibanez could be retired, Rollins could be done...who knows
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
124 days ago
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Yeah - those are good points. I am coming around. It would be great to see such a bold move from them. Sometimes reason gets in the way. I think I also have blinders on due to that sparkling 7-0 record. But I do agree, he's not an ace. And the Phils need one badly. If they can't pull the trigger on Halladay, I'd be okay with Cliff Lee.
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JuTMSY4Legend
124 days ago
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I really don't like Lee. He scares me and the price is too high.

Trust me, I don't wanna trade away anyone special, but at the same time, you have to realize prospects aren't major leaguers (yet). It could go either way.

I'm indifferent on the trade, but in all honesty, I think Halladay stays in Toronto
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
124 days ago
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Whoever did it, thanks for deleting the spam comment.
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Anonymous Fanatic #1
123 days ago
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sure, they're doing fine now. But can they hold up over the rest of the season? and get 'em into the postseason, and they get wiped by superior teams like the giants and dodgers. of course, that all changes if they have the guts to pull off the halladay deal. why they havent sold off their entire team for him is beyond me. when was the last time the phillies had a 20 game winner?
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
123 days ago
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There's a lot of truth to what you say, but they've already endured some injuries (Lidge, Ibanez) and some big slumps by some guys (Lidge, Rollins) and they're still in first place.


I'd love to see Halladay in Philly. I don't know if I should believe it will happen, so I will just take a wait and see approach. Best not to get hopes up...


As for 20-game winners, I think the last was Carlton. Although I believe John Denny had a 19-win season in the mid-80s for them.
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JuTMSY4Legend
123 days ago
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1982...
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
123 days ago
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That's really a shame. They need Halladay more than I thought. But they did get to three WS without a 20-game winner. And they won one! Maybe they don't need a 20-game winner - but it would sure be cool to have one...


And I'm not so sure the Giants and Dodgers are superior teams. It'll be interesting to see how this upcoming Phils/Giants series plays out. I already know the Phils can beat the Dodgers.
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JuTMSY4Legend
123 days ago
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I might end up eating crow, but the Giants are not better than the Phillies. The Phillies pitching is streaky, but they crush poor offensive teams...and the Giants offense sucks. Eventually they'll break through against a good pitcher...or the bullpen.
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