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LouGehrig
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Pete Rose was Considered a Great Guy

by LouGehrig
created May 26, 2009, last edited May 27, 2009
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by Harold Friend

Pete Rose won the 1973 National League batting title with a .338 average. He had 230 hits, among which were 181 singles, 36 doubles, 8 triples, and 5 home runs. Pete Rose was a singles hitter who was proud of that fact.

Pete Rose Is the Most Valuable Player

When Jack Lang of the Baseball Writers' Association of American called Pete Rose to inform him that he was the National League's Most Valuable Player, Pete let out an exultant cry of delight. "This rounds out my career. The nice part of my getting the MVP is that it proves you don't have to be a home run hitter to win." Pete Rose demonstrated that singles hitters could sometimes be more effective than home run hitters.

Bud Harrelson Admired Pete Rose

The Mets' Bud Harrelson, who had a well-viewed altercation with Pete in the 1973 playoffs, admired Rose. "Pete Rose is the kind of ballplayer all other ballplayers should copy. There's no other ballplayer I would rather be like than Pete." Bud was not being facetious.

Pete Rose Was Well Liked

Contrary to popular belief, Pete Rose was considered a great guy and was one of the most liked players in the majors. Fans saw one of the fiercest competitors this side of Billy Martin, but that was only one side of Pete Rose. Pete Rose didn't smoke, rarely drinks, was drug free, and took good care of himself. Of course, it was later discovered that he did like to gamble on occasion.

Even Willie Stargell Knew Pete Rose Was Well Liked

Willie Stargell was Pete's primary competition for the MVP award. Willie had hit 44 home runs, compared to Pete's 5. Willie also led the league with 119 RBIs and a .646 slugging average, compared to Pete's 64 RBIs and .437 slugging average. Stargell was a little perturbed that he had again finished second in the balloting.

"Awards are fine, but if it's done on a political basis I don't want any part of it. I don't know what goes into it - I don't know if it's politics, if there's certain guys that people like. I know Pete's the kind of guy that people like, the way he plays." Even Willie Stargell knew how well liked Pete Rose was.

Ray Fosse Saw the Friendly and the Competitive Pete Rose

The night before the 1970 all-star game, Pete's good friend, Ray Fosse, saw the sociable, friendly Pete Rose at dinner. Fosse saw the competitive Pete Rose the next night when Pete barreled into Fosse to score the winning run for the National League. Fosse was injured badly, and many believe that it greatly compromised Fosse's promising career. Pete did express his regrets to his friend.

Proud to be Charlie Hustle

Whitey Ford gave Pete Rose the nickname "Charlie Hustle" after Pete ran to first after drawing a walk. While Ford thought the name was funny, Rose did not. Pete was proud of being called "Charlie Hustle" because Pete was and remains one of the great hustlers in American society.

References:

How Red the Rose :Arthur Daley Man With Appela Steady Accumulation. (1973, November 22). New York Times (1857-Current file),p. 57. Retrieved May 26, 2009, from ProQuest Historical Newspapers The New York Times (1851 - 2005) database. (Document ID: 87595865).

By JOSEPH DURSO. (1973, November 22). Rose Voted Most Valuable :THE VOTING. New York Times (1857-Current file),p. 57. Retrieved May 26, 2009, from ProQuest Historical Newspapers The New York Times (1851 - 2005) database. (Document ID: 87595864).


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CheezerAll-Star
186 days ago
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Well said... Pete was proud of being called "Charlie Hustle" because Pete was and remains one of the great hustlers in American society.
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Sj-hypocycloidAll-American
186 days ago
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Ken Burns' excellent 'Baseball' documentary showed Mickey Mantle giving a different account of how Rose got the 'Charlie Hustle' nickname, but the principal elements are the same.


According to Mickey (and me paraphrasing), he had hit a homer in spring training that was 10 or so rows into the stands and Rose ran after it as though he could get it. Mantle and Ford mocked and laughed at this and Ford said something along the lines of "Hey, Mick - look at that Charlie Hustle out there."
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LouGehrigRed-Shirting
186 days ago
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I read that when I researched the article, but I sometimes stories are enhanced to make them appear to provide new insights. I decided to go along with the traditional explanation.
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LouGehrigRed-Shirting
186 days ago
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This article was fun to write.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
186 days ago
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And fun to read.
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
186 days ago
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it was later discovered that he did like to gamble on occasion.


On occasion? A friend of mine drinks occasionally, on holidays and such. That's occasionally. Rose was a degenerate gambler. That doesn't make him a bad guy, but gambling wasn't a hobby to him, it was an addiction and an obsession.
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LouGehrigRed-Shirting
186 days ago
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Have you ever had your tongue in your cheek?
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
186 days ago
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Indeed I have. My mistake. Then again, you think Joe DiMaggio is clearly better than Willie Mays, which to me is more clearly a joke than "Pete Rose liked to gamble on occasion."
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Captain SarcasticWaterboy
186 days ago
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Damn right he was a great guy! Just ask his kids and ex-wives.
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LouGehrigRed-Shirting
186 days ago
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"...you think Joe DiMaggio is clearly better than Willie Mays, which to me is more clearly a joke than 'Pete Rose liked to gamble on occasion.'" You have your jokes mixed up.
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ClumsykPee Wee
186 days ago
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As a non-follower of baseball, how do people feel about Pete Rose’s ban from the HoF? In everything I’ve read, there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that his bets altered results, or that he even bet against the Reds. I can see banning him from managing etc, but the HoF seems a bit harsh. There must be fellows already in there who have done terrible things or were awful scoundrels. Are there others excluded?
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RawbeezeitzMajor Leaguer
186 days ago
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It's the stigma of a manager betting on baseball at all. Ty Cobb was one of the worst human beings this to play baseball, and he's in there. But Rose bet on baseball. Even if he bet for the Reds, he bet on baseball.


And betting on your team can be detrimental. Let's say you're Rose for a night in April, and you have $10,000 riding on your game against the Giants. Your best hitter is bothered by pain in his hamstring. Instead of sitting him for the remainder of the night for the sake of having him around all year, you keep him in there to help win the bet.


Betting and baseball don't get along, and they haven't since 1920. Rose knew it, he did it anyway, so he can go fack himself.
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Captain SarcasticWaterboy
185 days ago
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Holy cownuts! What's wrong with you people? Pete Rose DID bet on and against the Reds. He bet spreads! Sure he bet on the Reds to win many times. BUT He also admitted to ALWAYS taking the "over" every time he started Mario Soto as Soto's career was waning. He was winning money by leaving Soto in to struggle because he didn't really like Soto's attitude! Don't you think betting the over also might have affected his choice of relievers and/or substitutions as the games went on? A fix is a fix!
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